@34 - Lost

Your point is made, but it's missing the larger picture. A 60 running a lowbie through Scarlet Monstary is different from hacking in a very basic sense - they are still "navigating" the game as designed. Perhaps not as INTENDED, but as designed, yes. They are fighting and killing the mobs and following the scripted events in the same way. In fact they are not skipping content at all, merely overpowering it. This guild was actually changing the game design.

"The hacks that truly bother me are..."

This is the other issue - you are making a distinction between hacks that hurt people and hacks that don't. Fact is, while you and I can do that based on our armchair opinions, Blizzard has it a lot tougher. They can't play the "this hack is okay but that hack isn't" game, it's just not manageable. Certainly not from a legal or technical standpoint. They have to call cheating cheating in whatever form they find it, or they may open loopholes for other cheats.

I have to wonder though.. do you really not get it? You and Prauche are entitled to your opinions, sure, and I respect them. But you cannot do the same in return? You seriously don't understand why people would get upset about cheating?

I think it's a pretty basic impulse that just about everyone undertands. You follow the rules. Someone else doesn't. They get caught. You... well, you feel good.

There is a reward for not cheating. The reward for us is that we get to keep playing. The punishment for them is.. they don't get to see TBC. And don't try and tell me they didn't want to see it. We all love this game - and they did too, otherwise they wouldn't have been playing. And TCB has been the only thing on anyones mind for months.

An aside - Can you imagine being one of the people on that fateful raid who didn't particularly want to be there or really didn't want to use the cheat? C'mon, I can't imagine EVERYONE on the raid was all amped up about using the hack. There had to be someone there who didn't want to but just kinda went along with it because they didn't want to rock the boat - then suddenly being perma-banned for it? I'd be so angry it's unbelievable.

But anyhow.

The poster for Overrated said they had basically "Won the game". Well, only for two months or so. After that, TBC will be out and hey will be a sad, discredited memory. And that's to the people that knew them. To the rest of us who'd never heard of them before this they'll be even less than that.

Do some people go overboard a bit against them? Maybe so, I can't disagree. But y'know something? When you resist the urge to cheat and play honestly, you've earned a little credit over those who don't. It's just a fact.

I just think it's a little funny that, when it comes to WoW, there are bragging rights for HK's, and bragging rights for gear. Bragging rights for server firsts, world firsts, PvP and just about anything else in the game.

But there are no bragging rights for playing honestly, or honorably. Two of the most important things in any other game, as far as I'm concerned. Go figure.

Is there any wonder why those that don't cheat feel a little righteous when someone who cheats is banned? I'm not neccessarily saying its right, but it sure as hell makes sense.

Listen, I'm sure that Overrated were fine players, even without the cheating. I'm not going to take that away from them, and I am not going to demonize them. But I'm sure not going to cut them any slack either.

Cheating is not about the game you cheated in, and it's not even so much about what the cheat was. It is about how you react to being caught that says the most about you. When someone is caught cheating and they are borderline belligerent about it? When their parting statement essentially says "I'd do it all over again"? Well, no one is going to be very forgiving, naturally. I think if they hadn't been as "yeah, I cheated, who cares?" about it, people would have been inclined to chill.

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