QQing for the advanced student

One of the constant realities of WoW is that everyone complains. Why did you nerf my class? These guys are overpowered. Why does Blizzard hate X class? I'm quitting, my guild is quitting, this new MMO will kill WoW. With the 2.0.10 patch, many "nerfed" classes are trying to make their voices heard with a variety of tactics, from well-reasoned threads to crashing servers.
There are legitimate concerns that Blizzard needs and wants to hear, but too many people go about their complaining in the wrong way. It might sound good at the time to invoke Gandhi and Martin Luther King and fighting injustice, but don't be surprised when people laugh at you for comparing a video game to the civil rights movement. When dealing with a voluntary action such as playing a video game, the squeaky wheel doesn't always get the grease. Therefore, for your all your future complaining needs, WOW Insider presents "QQing for the Advanced Student."
Good ways to argue:
- Use proper spelling and grammar. Just like in school, people aren't going to pay attention if you come off like a chimpanzee that's just learned how to use a keyboard. Yes, yes, l33tspeak might be acceptable on myspace, but if you want the powers that be to actually listen, talk like an adult. A good example of how to do this is this post, which is long, yet properly formatted and not a giant wall of text.
- Treat Blizzard with respect. Are you going to listen to the argument of someone who addresses you as "Hey, you idiot"? Personally attacking the company or the community managers is unlikely to get a good response. Ad hominem attacks cover up a lack of ideas. This thread, also about the druid changes, makes good use of the phrase "please" and asks, rather than demands, that Blizzard consider changes.
- Back up your arguments with math. Why is this ability overpowered? Well, someone crit me for 4k! Fix it! Your personal PVP experiences have very little relevance when asking for a buff or nerf. Instead, tests with actual math can really help bolster your arguments. This shaman thread about slow/slow versus fast/fast dual wield weapons uses some really nice tests to back up Hellz's point about slow weapons being better for DPS. It's usually not the most interesting thing in the world, but it can be a nice way to get people over to your side.
- Listen to other classes. Too many threads end with "If you're not a warlock, don't comment!" or "Why don't you post on your 70 warrior that you obviously play more than your druid?" This is not high school, and you don't get to go off about how no one understands you unless they've been through your pain. Most people have played multiple classes and have heard complaints from other classes. Being a rogue does not mean that I totally don't understand anyone else's concerns. I don't have any positive examples about this, but this thread is a great example of how not to do this. Classes do not necessarily have to hate each other.
- Stay positive. Endless complaining with no suggestions just makes you look like a whiner. These rogue threads are excellent examples of positive ways to ask for change. Rogues iterate their problems and suggest solutions, and Blizzard responds by taking the ideas into consideration.
Bad ways to argue:
- Strike. You are not a union organizer. Even if you get 20 pages of responses, you're not going to be able to organize enough people to effect change since the forum represent only a small percentage of WoW players. Besides, what do you think is really going to happen if you refuse to heal warriors or ask for payment in an instance? You're going to get kicked out of the group in favor of someone who a. has a sense of humor and b. knows enough not to generalize.
- Crash a server/spam the forums. This is the equivalent of a child throwing a tantrum. "I can't get my way, so I'll yell and kick and make a fuss!" Denizens of Blackrock invading Argent Dawn every time their server goes down isn't going to make Blackrock any more stable. And can you imagine the following conversation at Blizzard headquarters? "What is it, Jones?" "Sir! Someone has posted enough "nerf ClOS fgts" threads on the WoW General forums to push all other topics off the front page?" "My God, what have we done? Quickly, to the programming chamber! We must nerf ClOS!" Oh, and Blizzard deleting your spam topics is not encroaching fascism. Go to law school if you want to keep arguing about it.
- Quit and make a thread about it. Many people quit WoW every day. Many more join for the first time. While major trends in people quitting and joining might concern Blizzard, your individual story is not important enough to merit a thread. Plus, this is the FORUMS. You're going to get half "Good riddance" responses and half people asking "Can I have your stuff?" Your whole guild quitting is a little more newsworthy, but mostly you're going to look like drama queens.
- Post a thread with BLUE in the title. Blizzard employees probably do not determine what they want to read by what has "BLUE PLZ REPSONDE" in it. This thread is a great example of something that asks for a Blizzard response when the subject definitely doesn't merit it. Internet polls have all the scientific validity of cottage cheese.
- Troll. Playing devil's advocate only works when both sides have reasonable arguments. When a level 6 warrior posts "dr00ds are 2good at tanking cause armor > bear skin", it's a reasonable guess that it's probably a druid trying to make warriors look bad. This guy is either a troll or amazingly dumb. As another example, Saristinae is a priest who regularly aggravates the Guild Relations forums by claiming that all guild structure is a form of dominance and elitism and is thus wrong. This happens in every. Single. Thread. Thus, when Saristinae posts suggesting that guilds make their casual members farm mats and gold, everyone sees through it in about two seconds.
I hope this guide helps people better advocate for their classes and their ideas in WoW, and makes the forums a much less brain-destroying place. Do you have any good tips for how to complain?
Thanks to Devries, Kazuuru, and Synbios for help, Gixet for entertainment, and Rohnaj for providing an "ever clear" view of things.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, How-tos, Fan stuff, Blizzard, News items, Features






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
C.A. Feb 28th 2007 4:01PM
Awesome thread. I believe a part of us dies when we go to those forums. If people listened to this it might be a little better.
Maedhras Feb 28th 2007 2:58PM
Amen to that! Thank you Elizabeth!
TheDave Feb 28th 2007 3:09PM
One of the things I find best about WoW (and in general MMOs) is if you just wait out some problems. Usually, game developers have a shall we say optimistic view of class balancing. Most often something is implemented with the hope of balance because in the developers mind, If Class A > Class B then drop A or make B better. However, not everyone plays Class A the same so while in general Class A > Class B it's not always true so a blanket fix of Class A or B generally screws someone over. However, the great thing about MMOs is the ability for them to change over time. Remember, when WoW was first out how things were? No one liked Shamans because they were "cheap". Hence, why MMOs have patches. You can't make a perfect MMO out of the box. People need to learn to just let a few things slide and realize the developers are people too and do make mistakes.
Lenny Feb 28th 2007 3:02PM
Things like this make me glad I know how to play chess... Not because of using mental acuity to enact my plan for class domination in the game, but because it is a game I like to play. When arguing gets to this level over a work of fiction and fantasy then you may want to ask yourself if what you are doing is still fun, or if you are playing for the same reasons now as you were when this all began.
Jalann Feb 28th 2007 3:05PM
Well that's good in theory.
However, Druid's have made several threads using logic, respect and math only to be ignored.
Priests however staged several strikes and server crashes, with videos linked to on this very site, and was heard. Sure they halved the nerf on PoM, but still that's better than nothing.
Ryan Feb 28th 2007 3:14PM
I gotta say though, that the Druid nerf is an overall PvE nerf for every server with a shortage of tanks; fewer tanks makes it much harder to get a successful instance group going.
Sylythn Feb 28th 2007 3:22PM
I cringe at the math threads...here's why.
1) The average individual does not have a clear understanding of probability and the differences between additive and multiplicative probabilities. Hell, I'm an engineer getting a masters and even I'll admit I can't get my head around the probabilities in cards, or dice, or any of the most basic stuff.
2) The average individual does not understand "random" events, nor how "random" events are generated on the computer. The human mind TRIES to find patterns, even where there are none - random doesn't equal fair - and nothing is truly random.
3) Numbers always get exaggerated...always.
4) Gear differences, talent specs, temporary buffs, procs - all these things are ignored in most math posts...and they CAN'T be...because often they are the reason for the problem you're seeing.
While I would love to back up arguments with math - unless I've got the Blizzard formulas, and a controlled test environment...I'm not going to try.
Maedhras Feb 28th 2007 3:33PM
@6: A fellow engineer! I agree with you, and that is why I advocate blind faith in Blizzard. There are 2 possible reasons for World of Warcraft to demolish every sales record ever made in computer gaming.
1: They are the smartest and best organized out there when it comes to this kind of games.
2: Over 8 million people are stupid as f*ck.
While possibility 2 has a high probability, I like to stick with the first. From this we can deduce: you are not better then them. Your opinion is interesting, but has already been explored in a 99.9999% chance. Whatever you can come up with about class balance, Blizzard has thought it, implemented it, tested it and rejected it before you even formulated the thought. They are making millions a month, you are not. See above explanation as to why this proves Blizzard know what they are doing.
As Sylynth points out, there are myriads of variables to take into account when it comes to class balance. I do not claim Blizzard has mastered those variables into a crunched, tamed state, but I do think they are the closest to attaining that goal. Disagree? Vote with your wallet bud.
fortunate Feb 28th 2007 3:46PM
...you mean like the article you posted yesterday about the gnome who can't swim and called the black morass a racist instance?
That was all-time lame. (and my main's a gnome)
Seper Feb 28th 2007 4:17PM
The only problem I have with WoW... is that everyone luvs the game... but everyone hates everything about everything...
No one is happy with anything in this game.. its really sad... i avoid the forums when all i read is nerf this, nerf that, my class is better because..
The good players dont go to the forums to QQ and thats why almost all the posts or QQ posts.
The players think that that 1% that dropped your stamina is the end of the world and dont even think about the patch before that gave them a 10% increase.
I think before people go to the forums and complain they should do a little bit of research.
Good post.. too bad WoW players will read this.. think its a good idea.. then when there class gets nerfed they will forget all about it and go back to QQing.
FTR most WoW players dont know how to play there classes to begin with, which therefore shows that they cant complain because they dont know what they are complaining about. Its kind of like a grade 6 in science class telling a university science proffesor how to do his job... aint going to happen.
Moloch Feb 28th 2007 4:07PM
@3 Yes you are so right. The changes to the Priest nerf is because of the priest QQing. I'm sure Blizzard's testing and analysis of the proposed change plays no part in their decision.
In general I've found Blizzard eventually gets around to fixing issues if you just give them some time. They aren't going to respond to the 3 zillion QQ threads - that's a complete waste of their time.
Pao Feb 28th 2007 8:13PM
I've never seen the level of anger in this game as high as it is now. It seems to me that the major source of the anger is Blizz's constant fiddling with class balance, using the perceived nerf bat as a tuner.
I can understand patches for bugs and such, there's bound to be some. But this class balance thing should have been worked out in the beta testing for the expansion. Isn't that what beta testing is for??
I resent being used as a beta tester/guinea pig and having to pay for it. It is not my job (or yours) as a customer to be used to test and provide feedback on what's wrong with their product. I want to play alongside relaxed happy people, not angry frustrated 'venters'. I don't want to come home to another 'job'.
If you bought a Blizzard car, you would have to tell them what is wrong with it, then deal with them rebalancing the tires, inflating one, adding weight to another- and you'd drive it one week, get used to it, then they'd be back rebalancing the tires the next week. And now you have to re-adjust to that. And then they'd be in the trunk, doing something else the next week, who knows what. Meanwhile you are paying the car payments for an unfinished product.
So while yes, it's a free-will choice of playing the game or not, I believe Blizzard has a responsibility to provide much better customer service and respect to the people who are half the equation that made them what they are today.
Jalann Feb 28th 2007 4:24PM
There is a problem with voting with your wallet.
If you aren't paying them anymore, why should they listen?
Dave Feb 28th 2007 4:39PM
those signes totally made me lol. for realz.
Lostmimic Feb 28th 2007 4:45PM
If you are wondering why the priest community went buck wild and did everything they could to piss blizzard off its because we tried being nice and posting good positive feedback in organized fashion with NONE of it looked at. In TBC the class didnt scale with DPS, the "tough cookie" comment just pissed everyone off, along with the "Nice buff" which was an extra 100 dmg on our shield and a lower mana cost on a talent no one uses. The camel's back got broke and its a pain to lug that weight on your own back.
Flit Feb 28th 2007 4:55PM
@ You engineers (being a fellow engineer):
Don't you know it's useless to be an engineer playing wow? :D (unless you count goblin jumper cables).
Pritchard Feb 28th 2007 5:32PM
@12.
You missed the point.
If you aren't paying them anymore, you aren't playing the game anymore, so why would you care if they listened?
He was more or less saying, Blizzard knows more about the game than you do, and if you don't like what they are doing, don't play. That is your "vote."
Ideally the forums should be a place to communicate ideas, suggestions, report bugs, ask questions, share what you've found. But a lot of people have a lot of free time on their hands...
Roguerhunter Feb 28th 2007 5:19PM
I agree with all of you guys great points have been brough up. The way I look at things is well, bring it on I will deal with is when the patch is here. I look at everything as a challenge but also if you never had them people or types or personalities to push the envolope then perhaps some things would have not has a 2nd look into. Yes there is the right way of doing things and also you cant criticize everyone because if you do then your no better off you must try to comprehend what is being said and be a helping hand and restate what you think is trying to be explained thus allowing a good point or a different view point of the current situation at hand. For those who want to crash the server for there voice to be heard then thats up to Blizzard to reframe that from happening, I dont say its 100% wrong I think people are entitled to free speach and a lil bit of misbehavor but too much is bad and too lil is bad.
As for me I will take what ever is thrown at me. I can always roll anoher toon if I am not happy. We are all employees of Blizzard. If we dont like the management then Shape up or Ship out!!!
Maedhras Feb 28th 2007 5:36PM
@12: Vivendi wants your money. It wants your money and all your friend's money. It will go as far as it can to ensure Blizzard gets your money, and that's by making a game that YOU will enjoy. Blizzard knows when someone cancels their account.
The only way you can influence Blizzard is by
1) Having an original idea none of their dozen (hundreds?) top level veteran gosu developers have thought of.
2) Canceling your account
3) NOT QQing.
Of course, canceling your account only works when thousands, and thousands of thousands of players cancel at the same time, and no one signs up to compensate. That will not happen. Why? Because WoW rocks, and whiners don't. The bottom line is the $.
@15: That was awesome.
FishBulb Feb 28th 2007 6:40PM
People should really look at this before they consider buying into WOW. Xenophobes need not apply!!! Go find a nice console to curl-up with if you can't take change.