I've been toying with the idea of going 40/0/21 (currently 18/0/43), so this is really helpful to see and compare with my own ideas, since I also focus on raiding and world pve. I don't really understand going shatter spec for raiding, freezing effects so rarely hold long enough for me to even get an ice lance off that it has never seemed
worth the points to me. I always understood frostbite/shatter as a much more pvp-oriented spec to take, and since in the next patch a) Frostbite is subject to diminishing returns in pvp and b) the report is that frost nova and the water elemental's freeze share the same diminishing return, it's becoming worthless even for pvp. What's the point of speccing for survivability/control if a random proc can render your intentional spell casts void? Imp frost nova is part of my current build though, I just love having the shorter cooldown on that.

I would take those points from frostbite/shatter and shift them to picking up some combination of piercing ice, arctic reach, and especially frost
channeling. I wouldn't want to try and push my raid dps without making sure I picked up the aggro and mana cost reducing talent.

I'd miss two things from my deep frost build - ice barrier (I'm a total addict, I almost always have it up, even if we're just standing around talking about the next fight) and winter's chill. So, I may try this 40/0/21 build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=of0E00fzxIziZZVI0cof0o but I don't know that I'll be able to make it stick. After the patch I know I'll be going 10/0/51 to pick up the damage from Arctic Winds, but if I miss too many of my mana regen toys from the arcane tree... we'll see. I've had my current spec for so long, change is scary!

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