Forum post of the day: Rez me, unworthy peons!
by Elizabeth Wachowski 
May 7th 2007 at 10:21AM
I used to think that certain healers had developed a martyr complex due to their constant complaining about their treatment at the hands of the mean, mean DPSers. All the DPSers I know are nice to healers -- after all, they keep us alive, and ticking off the dude with your life in his hands is rarely a good idea. Is there anyone really stupid enough to be mean to their healers?
Well, there's at least one guy. Brainwashed, a mage and guild leader on Detheroc, has earned the ire of healers across the realms with his semi-coherent rant on the Detheroc realm forums. Somewhere along the line, Brainwashed picked up the idea that since priests, druids, shamans and paladins can rez, it's "their job" to run back and rez the rest of the group after a complete wipe. Especially since because, as he says, "99% of the time a wipe is because of the healer, the other 1% its a mispull or lack of DPS." Oh, and he also thinks it's a smart idea for druids to use their battle rez to rez another rezzer after a wipe.
The rest of his server takes it upon themselves to inform Brainwashed that in the sane parts of Azeroth, a wipe means everyone runs back, and that it's not the rezzer's job to run back while the rest of the group alt-tabs to watch naked ladies. He then insults the skill of all of his Horde opponents and threatens to camp his Alliance foes. Brainwashed stopped responding to the thread shortly after it spread to the paladin, druid, priest and shaman forums, bringing in a fresh tidal wave of healers laughing at him. But there's still a lot of entertainment left, including one of Brainwashed's guild paladins /gquitting in the thread due to the massive amount of stupid.
What do you think about this thread? Is it a common attitude among DPSers, or is Brainwashed just extremely lazy?
Filed under: Druid, Paladin, Priest, Shaman, Analysis / Opinion, Humor
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Quoi May 7th 2007 10:36AM
Nah, it isn't a common attitude among DPSers, Brainwashed is just a dumbass.
Top May 7th 2007 10:37AM
Now this is just lazy from brainwashed. Who does this guy think he is? Im a holy spec Pally, and more often then not, i get tells asking for help in an instance as heaerl, i accept when I can, as im just casual so im not on for much. But people say im a good healer, although if a pug does not preform well i will get irate.
But i, like others, will not res anyone after a wipe. Why? because it wastes time and mana, I want to finish off an instance quickly. I want to get myself fully healed and get all my mana back. People become overreliant on healers, and when they start moaning, it;s easy to just worry about someone else and let the moaner die. I have done that. I will res if a wipe is avoid, If i can use Divine intervention on someone or I am soulstone, i am happy to res as i am already there. but whats the point of running back to ressurrect people if they would all just run back and become alive by the time you reach the corpses? People ask too much at times. Im always happy to heal, but i expect others to try to save time and organise themselves first, and show some initiative. If someone needs to go AFK or gets lost, fair enough, i will res to help them out.
But simply. Brainiwashed is bneing very lazy and arrogant. thankfully i've not met many like him, most people are quite happy ro un back, but i have met the lazy or the overly critical ones.
Siedre May 7th 2007 10:46AM
Ahahahahahahahahaha!!
Chris Anthony May 7th 2007 10:53AM
Unfortunately, I have to disagree with 1 and 2. This is a frustratingly common attitude - and it's not just among DPSers; I've heard it from nearly every other class (and it's probably only "nearly" because I haven't really grouped with any shamans yet). I've even had other healers tell me that they were going to wait for me to run back so I could rez them, and then they'd help me rez everyone else.
I suspect, but obviously cannot confirm, that the above attitude - which also encompasses things like yelling "HEAL!" in party chat, or using add-ons to spam the group with voice emotes, or really any blanket statement of "your job is...", among other antisocial behavior - stems from a fundamental misperception about the game in general, and about grouping in particular. A lot of people seem to see World of Warcraft as a single-player game, and when they're in groups, it's a single-player game with backup, not a multi-player game.
The real problem, if I'm right, is that these people are used to having computer-controlled characters back them up, not human-controlled characters with real people behind them. With a computer-controlled character, it's easy to instruct the computer to optimize the character for a specific role - healing, DPS, whatever - and if the character doesn't perform, you can yell at the computer all you want. People who are used to them, I think, forget that you can't dictate how other people play (hence people kicking shadow priests from groups out of hand, for example, because they're not a healing spec), and that when you're rude and abusive to the other characters in WoW, there's a real human being on the other side of the connection who's going to react to your rudeness and abuse.
Does any of that make sense?
Mad Cow May 7th 2007 11:00AM
Back in the day when i was running ulda/zf ... i was told (druid) to run back and rez the priest because i should have been healing the shammy.
I ran back ... looted the two glowy corpses ... sat down, food/water ... stood up, dropped group and hearthed.
I've pugged once since ... and to this day, I get begged to join my servers most advanced pve guild. I REFUSE ... because 2 of the 4 officers where in that group.
Top May 7th 2007 11:06AM
@4
In a way i can see your point, but it's much easier for everyone to run back after a wipe, overwise it takes much longer, if a healer must run back alone, A: he has to find the corpses.
B: he needs to wait for mana to recharge
C: he needs to res, and then get more mana
This just wastes time, when by that time, veeryone could have run back, returned to life and engaged the next mob. If someone avoided the wipe then fair enough, res away. but it justs makes instancing more tedious if people are too lazy to run. Since when did couch potato attitudes suddenly become part of a character. it's not going to kill anyone to corpse run ;)
Nevets May 7th 2007 11:06AM
I just finished reading most of this, and I can do nothing but shake my head.
..I can see where he's coming from with the whole "its a priests job" and what not, but as everyone already mentioned, it is, without a doubt, the biggest waste of time, especially in an instance. I personally get angry everytime we wipe, and someone decides not to release. Its a pompus sort of act, that without a doubt pisses everyone else off as well. I've always gone by the "If no one alive can rez, everyone else runs back" rule.
and i believe thats what most people do as well (?)
cynthias May 7th 2007 1:10PM
I have a couple of guildmates who think rezzing is a right, not a privilege, after a wipe. They expect the priest or pally (or even the druid!!!) to run back and rez THEM. Then they complain that the instance is taking so long because "come on, why are you ALWAYS drinking?" Of course, they're also the ones who complain about everything else too. It's funny, but lately I've always got something else urgent to do when they ask me to use my druid to tank or heal for them.
Milkstar May 7th 2007 11:07AM
Especially since because, as he says, "99% of the time a wipe is because of the healer, the other 1% its a mispull or lack of DPS."
Bwahahahahahahaha!!
Too funny.
JB May 7th 2007 11:13AM
Sadly enough this is a pretty common attitude, and it's definitely not just DPS'ers. People are so lazy they won't even corpse run. They expect us healers to do it all for them.
I've been in many 5-mans where we've wiped, 1-3 ppl wouldn't release. I'd run back and rez them. Immediately after rezzing I tell them straight up, no BS, "I'm not rezzing again. If we wipe, you walk."
Every time, even with saying that, at least one person doesn't release(should we wipe again). So I go back into the instance and heal/mana with the other 3 people. We wait a few minutes... and then "can i get a rez????" I simply respond "Nope."
I'll be nice the first time and rez you. Do it again and your corpse will be sitting there a while, until you realize I'm not rezzing your lazy ass.
However, my hat's off to those who actually run back without the healer telling you to. It's common sense to simply run back with the rest of the group, but so many people are too retarded to even do that. So to those of you who don't expect your healer to play your character for you, Thank You :D
Chris Anthony May 7th 2007 11:19AM
@6: I must have been unclear - my current main is a holy priest, and I'm a staunch advocate of everyone doing the corpse run. :)
ChronosSage May 7th 2007 11:24AM
If your lazy why don't people just /follow someone else running back thats what I do. ;)
Top May 7th 2007 11:28AM
@10
Ah, i misinterepted you mate, my bad really. I just can;t stand people tooo lazy ro run back.
As i said, it's not going to kill anyone =P
ben1778 May 7th 2007 11:28AM
I suppose I may have a slightly different attitude towards the situation since i'm a warlock.
If I drop a SS on the rezzer, we wipe, and they DON'T rez me then they don't get another SS.
I provide healthstones to the group and I allow the rezzer to avoid a corpse run via my soulstone - I expect the favor to be returned.
If the healer is just gonna make everyone run back to their bodies anyhow, why am I giving them my SS again?
Several times i've used the SS on myself because our healer refused to rez anyone even though we had a mage giving out FREE WATER so mana shouldn't have been an issue.
Healers refuse the rez, I refuse the SS.
I'll rez myself if you won't.
mewyn May 7th 2007 11:33AM
Man, I'd say I'd drop his group/guild/whatever so fast it'd be a blur.
I'm a healer. I love healing, it really works well for my personality. Now, from my experience healing, only a few wipes (yes, I'm honest) have been at fault of bad healing. My number one reason for wipes has been tanks that can't keep agro. I generally wait for a sunder before starting to heal, and I hope, most of the time, that the tank gets everything. I hate it when I go and see they are down to 50% health and haven't done ANYTHING to the other mobs. Next biggest reason I've seen for wipes is the DPS that pulls agro, making me have to focus on multiple targets. Entirely doable, but with tough mobs, it gets hard, and many times in that case the mob's DPS is greater than my HPS (hey, ever thought of that? it takes us time to heal too!) which leads to a wipe. Third reason I've seen is me just messing up. I admit it, there have been times where I've not been up to the task. We've all been there, tired, too low level, other things on our mind, distractions... they all happen, and when they do, just fess up, and either try it again or call it.
This guy needs to get it through his thick skull healers are not miracle workers. Just like he has DPS, we have HPS. It takes time, and effort, and skill to be a healer. And most wipes are NOT the fault of a good healer. It's the fault of some other dips*** in the party not doing things right. We can only heal so fast.
Also, with the resing thing. I'd say I'm running in, and I expect him to do so as well. He isn't getting a res just because he's a lazy **** and doesn't want to run back to the instance. I like what Mad Cow did, and I'm likely to do that in future cases. Now, the other thing is I'm a druid, and I'm *not* going to waste a battle res just so he doesn't have to walk his ass back, and he can use the wipe as an excuse to smoke.
People who go for straight instance healing give up a lot to do this. As resto I can't grind worth anything for gold. I really wish this healer disrespect would stop. It's really getting on my nerves.
mewyn May 7th 2007 11:38AM
@12:
Soulstones and other wipe prevention is a different story. When you have something like that, yah, the person SSed should res. The cases where I would never res the group is where at least one person has to leave the instance to come back to life. It's either all or none.
Addie May 7th 2007 11:39AM
If the rezzers have to run then everybody should run. If a rezzer can pop up with a SS or whatever and start rezzing that's fine. Usually the question is asked "are we running?" and either we do or we don't... I've had someone res me while I'm running cuz they got there first - that's always nice. :) Hug your rezzer!
brendan May 7th 2007 11:43AM
@9 I agree- it's a frustratingly common attitude to not corpse run and wait for a res. I encounter it from DPS'ers and tanks in nearly every single PuG run I have ever done, never complained about it but after reading this think I will start to!
Rich May 7th 2007 11:43AM
I've only done that a couple times with my lock. The first time was Strat and we wiped in sight of the entrance.
The other 2 times we were doing Olds Hillsbrad. I was in a group with 2 of my good friends (a Boomkin and a Shadow priest) and two guildies of the boomkin (a warrior and a Holy/Disc Priest). On the 3rd wipe because the Boomkin and shadow priest couldn't manage their aggro, I decided protest and not rez. They got the point and stuff went smoothly from there on out.
Smithra May 7th 2007 11:48AM
Whoa ben1778 (#12), chill. I'm a warlock too, but I think the point is that when the priest/paladin/whomever has to walk back, that it's the rest of the party's job to walk back too...not go get a drink, make a sandwich, wait for rez.
If the walk is short enough (say Mechanar) I'll even walk when there is a SS up, just 'cause why should they waste their mana (and consequently my time) rezzing me when I can get back in about that time, leaving them time to rez other peoples.
That said, I think healers should be open to rezzing someone who asks nicely in advance. There's a big difference between "Y U NO REZ ME?" and "I need to go let the dog out, do you mind rezing me when you get back?" I've certainly summoned enough people from the front-end of the instance to where we are when they needed to take care of something in the analog world while we were running back.
People need to realize that we're all in it together, be it a guild run or a pug. We all help each-other out, put forth the effort and go home happy.