Hybrid Theory: Getting into raids as an off-spec

Each week, Jason Lotito contributes Hybrid Theory, a new column on hybrid classes in World of Warcraft.
Be realistic
Knowing if you can actually fill your needed role is important. But you have to be honest and realize that just not everyone is open to allowing off-specs into raids. And while you might get into a raid eventually, are you actually a regular player? Are you someone who is actually contributing to the raid as a whole?
The whole goal is for you to play an active part in your raids daily successes, not sitting on the sideline hoping for a pity invite. So really you have to ask yourself from the outset if your guild and raid leader are open to giving you an honest shot.
One way to go about doing this is to get support from key members of the guild. Class leaders and officers can do a lot in getting you in on raids. Of course, it also doesn't hurt if you are an officer or guild leader yourself.
Do your research
Let's be honest: playing a mage is easy. No, really it is. Playing a mage and doing damage is not really that difficult. But don't for a minute think filling the role of a retribution paladin doesn't take effort. You need to do more than auto attack. You really need to know the in's and out's of your class and your spec. Mages have a lot of solid reliable information to go on because they've been doing damage for a long time. Hybrids on the other hand have less to go on.
I remember building up my tanking gear and learning all I could about tanking. Being a paladin tank really meant I had a lot to learn and couldn't just rely on the warrior forums. After all, some warriors think you need 100% total block to avoid crushing blows. And even then, paladins had to look at more than just what their stats said. To avoid crushing blows, we need just over 102% total of avoidance and block. But you'd never know this reading the warrior boards.
A lot of what we were doing in those early days was fairly new. We had to learn how to play our class all over again.
And really, why should you know your class this well? If you don't know what the best weapon buffs to use as an enhancement shaman (and why), if you aren't pondering weapon speed's impact on windfury (and how flurry plays into this) and how all this affects your overall DPS, are you really putting 100% into playing your role?
It's easier for rogues and mages and the like to perform their job. After all, that's all they do. Collective wisdom is easy to find for these classes. You are going to have to do a lot of leg work yourself if you want a shot.
Have the gear
This should be a no brainer, but it really has to be said. Having the right gear makes a tremendous difference. You need to get this gear. This might mean going out and crafting the weapons and playing Arenas for the gear. It could very well mean countless Karazhan runs. It doesn't matter. Put forth that effort to get top of the line gear.
Going back to a personal experience, when I was a protection paladin, I focused heavily on giving 100% every time we raided. This meant getting the gear and the proper enchants. Not having an enchant was wrong. I made sure I had the best gear I could make. I did as much as I can with gear and even went on to make sure I was always able to provide myself with the necessary consumables.
Over a dozen Fortification Flasks was especially nice (and that was just at one point!) Needless to say, this put a strain on my finances. I was always low on cash, always just able to pay for repairs. And an epic flying mount? Hah! Not a chance. But I wanted to tank and had to give it all that I had.
Play your role
If you're walking into the raid as a balance druid, expect to play a balance druid. If raid leaders are going to give you a chance, they aren't bringing you in as a healer. They are bringing you in to DPS. So get ready to rock the damage meters and let the healers worry about healing. All too often off-spec hybrids get worried that if they don't heal some they aren't doing their job, but that's just an awful myth. If you are there to nuke, NUKE!
Sure, at some point your moonkin self might get asked to innervate someone, but such is the utility you bring. But outside of that, you aren't filling the spot of a healer so don't focus on healing. You are DPS. If you stop damage to start healing, it will only make everyone's lives more difficult.
Oh, sure, you might have the raid leader call you out on vent in times of trouble and have you switch to a healing capacity, but once again, this is only going to strengthen your role even more. Suddenly you can demonstrate your capacity to switch roles as needed. Give the raid the time to adjust, maybe get up another healer, and then you go back to DPS. It's quite amazing when it all works out, and I've seen it happen before. Always a lot of fun to see the raid move to the brink of disaster and then see it skillfully and expertly pulled back.
Being a hybrid is great.
Be ready to give 100%
I touched on this a bit when discussing gear, but it deserves its own point. Make sure you are ready to put out every time you get into the raid especially those first few times. Fair or not, you have a lot to prove. You have to earn your spot. 25-man limit really means a limit, and everyone has to pull their own weight.
I guess this is really part of all the points I've brought up. In each case you are probably going beyond what your standard roles or classes are doing, but it's worth it.
Recap
I'll be blunt: not every off-spec is suitable for every raid. And some off-specs still need work. Retribution paladins are still lacking and elemental and enhancement shaman still need tweaking. But that doesn't mean you still can't carry your weight in a raid.
As always, your comments are welcomed and appreciated. To all the naysayers and hybrid detractors out there, your hostility is much appreciated. Does a lot to tell me I'm doing something right.
During the day, Jason Lotito browses the WoW forums. But by night, he takes the form of Endure, a level 70 paladin, and faces off against the toughest bosses Blizzard has to offer with his guild at his side. He's previously played a shaman to 60 and raided Horde for a while, and is currently leveling a druid just to see what all the fuss is about.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
brett May 30th 2007 8:36PM
The best way to play a hybrid... Remember it's a hybrid. As awesome as elemental is these day's it's never going to compete with Mage/Warlock ranged dps. However let's see that lock land that clutch heal that keeps the tank up during that enrage. Especially in the 5 and 10 mans, I appreciate have a few hybrids along to aid with dps on the races and healing with the long drawn out fights. It saves raid leaders from doing any swaping to stack raids for any given boss encounter.
piisexactly3 May 30th 2007 9:42PM
Stop calling it "off-spec".
Tim Grussing May 30th 2007 10:10PM
id like nothing more than to keep my pally ret spec'd and still get to raid him, but even idk if that will work = /
CaseyJonesspeeder May 31st 2007 3:25AM
Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just say: Opinion: Successful raiding guilds can't use off specs? You're defining an opinion, but you say you're defining a fact.
I know that's not the point, but it's driving me nuts.
fact |fakt| noun a thing that is indisputably the case
Byron May 30th 2007 11:30PM
Perhaps the author should start with a definition of exactly what 'off-spec' means. I've been under the impression that it means a spec not optimized for one of the three raid purposes - tank, heal, or dps. Is that it, and if so, what are the off-specs for the various hybrid classes? I've only seriously played a lock and hunter so far, so would like to know more about this. I'm assuming the following are *not* off-spec:
1. Healadin
2. Arguably Prot Pallies geared for 102.4% Avoidance and 11.5k+ hp.
3. Feral tanking Druid
4. Resto Druid
5. Resto Shaman
Are there any other hybrid specs considered main-spec (or whatever the opposite of off-spec is)? What are the 'off-specs' for these classes?
chris May 30th 2007 11:52PM
I'm not sure of the "off-spec"ness of this but it seems like the shadow priest is absent from this column. I cant speak for all, but it seems like I have a harder time getting into groups, and especially raids. Does this class get no love, or is it the outcast class that shouldent be bothered with?
BenMS May 31st 2007 12:58AM
Seriously, shadow priests are awesome in raids. Those who don't like them don't know what they are missing out on. Even a group that is healer/tank, two rogues and a shadow priest, well the rogues will love you for keeping their health topped up, and the healer will love you for keeping the mana coming. And there's always MC if crowd control is required. I play a 70 mage, just getting into Kara, and we find a shadow priest invaluable.
Jared May 31st 2007 1:22AM
I agree with the shadow priest thing.
As stated, there are 3 roles, taking damage (tanking), giving damage (DPSing), and healing damage done (healing).
If you are proficient at any of those I'd be glad to have you in my raid group. If you're not proficient, get better at it or stick to PVP, where you can shine solo.
The Destroyer May 31st 2007 2:11AM
I resent the fact that people believe an Elemental Shaman can't compete with a Mage, at the very least in a Pre-SSC environment. I for example am able to keep up with and surpass any and every DPSer in my guild and we are at Grull. It's all a matter of balancing and learning how to manage with the tools given to you. Every spec except for Ret Pallys is a viable raid spec. You can check my character out if you'd like as well as my guild.
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Druid dude May 31st 2007 2:47AM
My main is a druid, and was a hardcore healbot through MC, BWL, AQ40 and Naxx. Mostly because that was what the guild needed, and I really enjoyed.
These days, I am feral. In Karazhan, its great to have someone who can, for example, tank the trash going to Shade, then go DPS, and do well at both. One of our Pallys can OT when needed too.
In raids, a Shammy of ours is almost always top 5 damage, as well as a Shadow Priest.
Off specs can bring so much more to raids these days than pre-BC, and not just DPS. Their utility, when used well, can be a huge asset. The Feral Druid that heals himself up after Shatters or innervates a healer, the Shadow Priest feeding mana to the mana users in his group. There is just too much good stuff available to pass up.
The downside of course is this: What if all Druids were feral or balance, all priests were shadow, all shammys were DPS spec and all pallys were ret or tank specced? Who the heck would heal? And that's where it gets tricky!
Fizzi May 31st 2007 2:51AM
A mage may be easy to deal large amounts of damage with, but being a good mage still requires skill. There's a balance between damage and threat. Not to mention spell rotation in order to do maximum damage.
For example, my mage had around +850 spell damage during a curator fight. Another mage in the group reported about +1050 spell damage. Over the course of two attempts, I managed to top damage by a little over 1% despite dying in the middle of the first attempt. There was never a time I was up while the other mage was dead yet I still maintained top damage.
This is just damage. There's also kiting and crowd control as a mage...
Thijz May 31st 2007 3:12AM
I'm a enhancement shaman but groups (talking about normal groups here, not raids) are usually very happy with me. Especially hunters go bananas because of my unleashed rage skill (10% inc attack power) which is on all the time when I'm fighting (high crit chance ftw!). Also, every non-caster is pretty happy with my goat!(Grace of Air Totem :P)
euphorion May 31st 2007 3:41AM
I agree with Comment #2. A great way to get more acceptance for the moonkin and elemental shaman of the world would be to stop calling them off-specs (Retnoobs can keep their "special" title).
Of course, I disagree with calling any class a hybrid in WoW. That's where people get really caught up, figuring out which hybrid they are -- tank/heal, dps/heal, tank/dps, etc. If people would stop worrying so much about the label and start focusing on using all of the skills in their arsenal, they'd be a lot happier. Even if that means healing in a pinch.
Zorrg May 31st 2007 4:56AM
I am a raid leader and I do like hybrids allot in the raids. I especially like paladins and druids but I have to say that gear is half the battle and talent is the other half. Our healing paladin is a great OT when we need it and he can take the hits and hold the aggro. Our OT druid is a great damage dealer when in Cat form and DPSing trash. The classes I avoid taking into Karazhan for example are Retribution Paladins and DPS warriors. Retribution Paladins just don't bring the damage and sorry to all those DPS warriors, but you pull aggro to much and your damage isn't that good. Maybe it's just my experience with DPS warriors in raids but to me they just don't work well.
I encourage hybrids to show me what they can do, because as a raid leader I need the information. I try as much as I can to investigate what your class can bring, but if your a talented hybrid you really have to show me and prove to me how you can work within the group. At the end of the day it's not about the limitation of your class, but the limitations of the player. A good hybrid is always welcome to my raids.
jasonlotito May 31st 2007 7:04AM
@12 (CaseyJonesspeeder)
I know exactly what I'm doing with the picture. I can only imagine you repeating what I did an outlet of your confusion as to why I would do it. Let me explain.
More often than not in raiding guilds the idea of off-specs raiding isn't even listened to. What you have are people stating supposed facts that X spec/class combo can't earn a spot in raids. The reality is, it's merely an opinion. Thus the juxtaposition of using the word fact with the definition of opinion.
As for the term off-spec:
I felt we were all smart enough to realize what it was that I didn't have to start by writing a dictionary entry for it. I still feel this is the case.
Finally, while the term off-spec isn't conducive to getting a raid spot as #2 piisexactly3 pointed out, it's the commonly accepted term describing those types of specs. Rather than invent some new word or have to constantly refer to them as "players who play a spec that is usually deemed not raid appropriate", I felt simply calling it off-spec would suit the article just fine.
Xsevil May 31st 2007 8:40AM
Personaly, from my expirience in my guild, offspecs can be invaluable
We currently have a Shadow Priest, Enhancement Shaman, Boomkin, Fury Warrior and Elemental Shaman, all have shown there worth in DPS.
Dur13l May 31st 2007 8:53AM
I believe You have it all Wrong. Our guild has been able to make it through Content using "Hybrids"
It does take much effort on the player involved. my personal Toon is a Fury warrior. I had to work Twice as hard to build up two sets of gear. But im always 1 or 2 on the DPS chart and one of the best OT in the Guild. (again i have really nice gear so this makes things easier).
(@14...you must not have good fury warriors. In Kara Im a good 5% -10% higher on the DPS chart and can control my aggro just fine. )
We have druids that are moonkin and with that extra Crit chance....nice.
the thing about these "hybrid" toons is that you have to be able to contribute in some way. you can't be DPS pally and be bottom of the DPS chart. If that happens then you ARE wasting a space for someone that can help more.
People Listen to much to What "they" say. Judge each toon on his ability to play and contribute.
Station May 31st 2007 9:20AM
I think that all the tankadin detractors need to run with us a couple of times to see how GOOD it is to not worry about pulling aggro. We need to work harder to get geared, but consecration ftw. In 5 mans, my guild prefers running with me to running with the warrior due to group aggro control and I nthe kara runs the only thing I don't MT is Maiden (with her damn silence). Really, the point is to give hybrids in different specs a try. If you have a retadin, and you have a pally tank and a couple of healers in a large raid, then he can keep up ALL of the judgements. ALL. This is HUGE. Imagine getting back life, mana, more damage and crit all from one man. How about boomkin? They roll hard ton the damage meter. I know feral druids are now preferred, and I also know that I love rolling in a group with a shadow priest for the mana it brings. Be open to new things, just don't expect them to be something else. If you have a shadowpriest, treat him as DPS and nothing else. Same with OOMKIN. Same with retadin. Don't expect a pally tank to heal. Sometimes they will do these things, but think of it as a treat that saved your ass when a wipe would have occured.
Tukk May 31st 2007 11:56AM
On the shadow priest thing, as well as the mana and healing feed to the group, you forgot the +spell damage (via Misery) and +shadow damage (via Shadow Weaving).
I'm usually 4th or 5th on our Kara DPS meters (out of 5 DPSers), but the raid loves me. Of course, Shackle might help with that too... :)
Ryuhou May 31st 2007 11:58AM
Hey all, i'm a Ret Pally on Bloodscalp US, i've been one since i've been level 10, i've had no problem with getting gear in raids and contributing to groups because i've been one since the dawn of my WoW life years ago, being Ret doesn't mean you have to go out and get as much DPS warrior gear you can, it's the opposite, sure your white DMG will be big, but it's about the holy DMG that your putting out. In my current gear i'm pulling out 400-450 DPS and sitting between 2nd to 3rd on the charts.
It doesn't take much, but don't think you can DPS if you don't have the gear for it, there's no point, you will be a waste of a space. Every group i've been in has been "what a ret pally, might aswell get the holy priest to DPS" and by the end of the raid their adding me to their friends list. You just gotta get their confidence in you and they'll always want you back. Thats my 2 cents.