Insider Trader: A primal urge to roll for Primal Nethers
Each week, Lisa Poisso brings us Insider Trader -- your weekly inside line on making, selling, buying and using player-made products.
In the wake of the avalanche of item and crafting tweaks ushered in by patch 2.1, Insider Trader takes a look at the much-maligned Primal Nether. How do you get one? Do you even need one? Should you roll for one?
And keep reading for an Insider Trader tip on a special tactic engineers -- yes, engineers! -- can use to get certain types of motes.
But first things first: Primal Nethers. These glowing globules of crafting goodness have about a 5-10% chance of dropping from final bosses in non-heroic Burning Crusade instances, and they're a guaranteed drop from final bosses of heroic instances. Post-2.1, you can also purchase them for the bargain price of 10 Badges of Justice from G'eras in Shattrath City.
Why all the griping?
So if Primal Nethers are easier to get now and used for more items than ever, why do they make so many players so grouchy? In a nutshell: Primal Nethers are Bind on Pickup, and getting a coveted crafted item made means finding a tradesperson who actually has one on hand. It makes no difference at all if you have one tucked away in your own bank, unless you can create the item in question; it's the craftsperson who needs the BoP primal in order to make the item, which is tradeable to you after creation. (Of course, some items that require Primal Nethers are themselves BoP for use by the craftsperson only.)
For most players, buying a crafted item that requires a Primal Nether to create means paying a hefty fee to the craftsperson. Common prices run about 75g for more common patterns to 200g or more for rare patterns, with an average of 100g or so on most servers. Or you can try arranging a heroic instance run that includes the tradesperson, with the understanding that all groupmates will pass on rolling for the nether to the tradesperson. (Good luck with that!)
All in all, some 89 items now require Primal Nethers as a reagent. Which of your groupmates can you expect to be vying for them? Alchemists and jewelcrafters are off the hook – neither profession uses Primal Nethers at all. Enchanters have only one use for Primal Nethers, a rare BoP boot enchant that drops in Karazhan. Engineers use Primal Nethers for BoP goggles and a brand new tradeable epic gun with tanking stats. The most frequent contenders for Primal Nethers are blacksmiths, leatherworkers and tailors, who all use Primal Nethers for both tradeable and BoP items.
Ok, a Primal Nether just dropped for your group -- what next? The general consensus is also the easiest solution: roll Need if you are crafter with one or more patterns that actually require Primal Nethers, or roll Greed (or pass) otherwise. (You can use the general uses given above to help sniff out the likeliest subjects for a "Need" roll.) If nobody rolls Need, many groups will random it off as a greed item; if you win, you can always hang onto it in case an item requiring Primal Nethers is added to your profession or in case you actually change professions.
Insider Trader tip: mote clouds for engies
What? Engineers actually have the inside track on something – something as desirable and necessary as motes?!? Don't get too excited – extracting motes is hardly a profitable or reliable pastime. But yes, it's actually possible for engineers to use the handy-dandy Zapthrottle Mote Extractor to extract motes of life, shadow or mana from "clouds" in several zones. The drawbacks: these pesky clouds are rare, and the drop rate from them isn't exactly generous.
Look for green clouds of life floating about in Zangarmarsh, sickly-looking clouds of shadow drifting around Shadowmoon Valley and invisible fields of mana in Netherstorm. The Arcane Vortex mana clouds of Netherstorm can only be seen while wearing Ultra-Spectropic Detection Goggles, when buffed with Detect Invisibility or by noticing that you're regaining mana from a nearby cloud. However, several players are reporting that goggle detection is borked post-2.1, so you won't be able to see the clouds with goggles equipped.
So how big of an advantage do engies really have with these tricksy motesy clouds? At present, not much to speak of. Finding a cloud is fairly difficult, and the drop rate doesn't seem to outweigh the disadvantages of carting around the extractor "just in case." Engineers have been asking for more ways to find mote clouds and to get more from the ones they do find. Until then, consider the clouds an occasional sideline benefit in a profession that's currently hard-pressed to find an edge.
Lisa Poisso is a freelance writer when she's not farming motes.
In the wake of the avalanche of item and crafting tweaks ushered in by patch 2.1, Insider Trader takes a look at the much-maligned Primal Nether. How do you get one? Do you even need one? Should you roll for one? And keep reading for an Insider Trader tip on a special tactic engineers -- yes, engineers! -- can use to get certain types of motes.
But first things first: Primal Nethers. These glowing globules of crafting goodness have about a 5-10% chance of dropping from final bosses in non-heroic Burning Crusade instances, and they're a guaranteed drop from final bosses of heroic instances. Post-2.1, you can also purchase them for the bargain price of 10 Badges of Justice from G'eras in Shattrath City.
Why all the griping?
So if Primal Nethers are easier to get now and used for more items than ever, why do they make so many players so grouchy? In a nutshell: Primal Nethers are Bind on Pickup, and getting a coveted crafted item made means finding a tradesperson who actually has one on hand. It makes no difference at all if you have one tucked away in your own bank, unless you can create the item in question; it's the craftsperson who needs the BoP primal in order to make the item, which is tradeable to you after creation. (Of course, some items that require Primal Nethers are themselves BoP for use by the craftsperson only.)
For most players, buying a crafted item that requires a Primal Nether to create means paying a hefty fee to the craftsperson. Common prices run about 75g for more common patterns to 200g or more for rare patterns, with an average of 100g or so on most servers. Or you can try arranging a heroic instance run that includes the tradesperson, with the understanding that all groupmates will pass on rolling for the nether to the tradesperson. (Good luck with that!)
All in all, some 89 items now require Primal Nethers as a reagent. Which of your groupmates can you expect to be vying for them? Alchemists and jewelcrafters are off the hook – neither profession uses Primal Nethers at all. Enchanters have only one use for Primal Nethers, a rare BoP boot enchant that drops in Karazhan. Engineers use Primal Nethers for BoP goggles and a brand new tradeable epic gun with tanking stats. The most frequent contenders for Primal Nethers are blacksmiths, leatherworkers and tailors, who all use Primal Nethers for both tradeable and BoP items.
Ok, a Primal Nether just dropped for your group -- what next? The general consensus is also the easiest solution: roll Need if you are crafter with one or more patterns that actually require Primal Nethers, or roll Greed (or pass) otherwise. (You can use the general uses given above to help sniff out the likeliest subjects for a "Need" roll.) If nobody rolls Need, many groups will random it off as a greed item; if you win, you can always hang onto it in case an item requiring Primal Nethers is added to your profession or in case you actually change professions.
Insider Trader tip: mote clouds for engies
What? Engineers actually have the inside track on something – something as desirable and necessary as motes?!? Don't get too excited – extracting motes is hardly a profitable or reliable pastime. But yes, it's actually possible for engineers to use the handy-dandy Zapthrottle Mote Extractor to extract motes of life, shadow or mana from "clouds" in several zones. The drawbacks: these pesky clouds are rare, and the drop rate from them isn't exactly generous.
Look for green clouds of life floating about in Zangarmarsh, sickly-looking clouds of shadow drifting around Shadowmoon Valley and invisible fields of mana in Netherstorm. The Arcane Vortex mana clouds of Netherstorm can only be seen while wearing Ultra-Spectropic Detection Goggles, when buffed with Detect Invisibility or by noticing that you're regaining mana from a nearby cloud. However, several players are reporting that goggle detection is borked post-2.1, so you won't be able to see the clouds with goggles equipped.
So how big of an advantage do engies really have with these tricksy motesy clouds? At present, not much to speak of. Finding a cloud is fairly difficult, and the drop rate doesn't seem to outweigh the disadvantages of carting around the extractor "just in case." Engineers have been asking for more ways to find mote clouds and to get more from the ones they do find. Until then, consider the clouds an occasional sideline benefit in a profession that's currently hard-pressed to find an edge.
Lisa Poisso is a freelance writer when she's not farming motes.
Filed under: Alchemy, Jewelcrafting, Tips, Items, Enchanting, Tailoring, Leatherworking, Engineering, Blacksmithing, Insider Trader (Professions)






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Burkkake Jun 1st 2007 11:30AM
Congrats for engineers. I really wouldn't complain about a non-dangerous way to harvest motes though. Miners get Fire and Earth from mining too. Its just a bonus and engineers should be thankful. This blog seemed to me to be more of a back-handed thanks.
Andrew Jun 1st 2007 11:42AM
My Hunter Engineer - I did the quest and got the lpans to make the mote extractor. That was two weeks ago.
Since then, running around in Zangarmarsh, I've seen ONE cloud. The spawn rate is very low.
Dipstick Jun 1st 2007 12:19PM
Considering that those with high-level fishing can quite easily calculate the spawntimer on 'pure water' pools in Nagrand, there should be other ways that certain motes (namely air and mana, possibly fire) can harvested in a 'non-violent' manner.
oshin Jun 1st 2007 12:18PM
I thought for a bit you were saying engineers could convert motes into nethers, wouldnt that be a turnup for the books
InfoMofo Jun 1st 2007 12:29PM
The most reliable place to find motes is in the instances of coilfang reservoir. I always find one or two motes of life in Steamvaults, on the platform where the mechanical boss is.
I still don't think I've recouped the cost of the mats, and I've had it for several months now. Between that and the waste of a bag-slot it's really probably a bad investment. If you have an engibag, it probably doesn't matter i guess.
Karl Jun 1st 2007 12:34PM
@1...Ummm No....I have had my mote extractor for quite some time. It is about as rare to see one of the dang gas pockets floating around (and when you do, it isn't in a non-hostile environment) as seeing a Khorium vein. They are there, and usually when you are not on with a toon that has the extractor. I it FAR easier for me to just kill stuff to get motes than look for one of these clouds. Also, you can't just SEE motes of mana (and Life and Shadow pretty much suck as Primals go), you need to see invisible pockets of gas to extract motes of mana. AND, to top this off, you don't really get that much from a gas pocket. It will take several gas pockets to make a single Primal...and since you will only see one of these pockets rarely...Well, I think you get the issue. You can't even compare this to mining. There are FAR more mining nodes than there will ever be of gas pockets.
Coherent Jun 1st 2007 2:32PM
Engineering is incredibly useless near endgame... /sigh
Freehugz Jun 1st 2007 2:38PM
am i the only one that tries to mouseover screenshots?
MartinC Jun 1st 2007 3:22PM
The mote extractor is damn near useless. Still haven't paid for the cost to make it yet. I've spent many hours looking for gas clouds, and it total have only seen FOUR.
So far, it has been a very very bad investment.
Kyle Jul 15th 2007 2:53PM
I'm an engineer working towards 375 to make the gun. I'm at 361 now and have both sets of plate goggles (love them btw). I did make the Mote Extractor and it has got to be the biggest waste of gold and mats to make as an engineer. The damn clouds are so rare that it is pointless to try and look for them. I do wish that Blizz implemented more stuff for Engineers, all we have are goggles and a gun...