Two Bosses Enter: Rajaxx vs. Mandokir
by Elizabeth Harper 
Jun 24th 2007 at 6:00PM
Interested yet? For this week's fight we're matching up Ahn'Qiraj's General Rajaxx (not to mention the General's many soldiers!) and Zul'Gurub's Bloodlord Mandokir. To find out a bit more about these two -- and for a chance to voice your own opinion -- keep reading!
The main problem with fighting General Rajaxx is that you aren't just fighting General Rajaxx. Before you can engage Rajaxx, you must fight your way through seven waves of his troops, each wave lead by one of his captains, majors, and colonels. (Each wave consisting of one leader and six troops of various types.) After fighting through all of this you get to meet the General himself, who's no slouch.
The General is a meleer whose most dangerous ability is an AoE Thunder Clap which knocks everyone back, drops aggro, and cuts their health in half. So if you have 6000hp when you start the fight? Now you have 3000hp. And after the next Thunder Clap, you have 1500hp. See the problem here?
The General is a meleer whose most dangerous ability is an AoE Thunder Clap which knocks everyone back, drops aggro, and cuts their health in half. So if you have 6000hp when you start the fight? Now you have 3000hp. And after the next Thunder Clap, you have 1500hp. See the problem here?
When you engage Bloodlord Mandokir, you fight Mandokir and his raptor, Oghan. If you kill Oghan, Mandokir will enrage for a period of time -- and the additional damage done while enraged is usually quite sufficient to end the attempt.
In a fight, Mandokir relies on powerful melee abilities to defeat his opponents. He hits hard, has a dangerous AOE whirlwind attack, and will occasionally charge at the target farthest away from him. Occasionally, he will pick one of his opponents to "watch." While he's "watching" a target, if that target does anything to cause threat (healing, DPSing, etc), Mandokir will immediately charge the target, causing massive damage.
Oh, and if you die? Mandokir gains a level. (And just like players do, he'll yell "Ding!")
For the fight itself, we're presuming these two bosses would be of the same level and, approximately, the same health and damage output. They're fighting on neutral ground, so the NPCs that help you with Rajaxx and the rezzing ghosts around Mandokir are out of the picture. So if these two clashed, who do you think would come out on top? Obviously, if Mandokir fought through the waves of beasts coming in before Rajaxx, he'd have a serious advantage -- having gained nearly 50 levels. But would he make it that far, or would Rajaxx's swarms overwhelm him?
Voting is closed and this week's fight is finished -- but you can still check out the results.
Filed under: Bosses, Two Bosses Enter
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
snider.jake Jun 24th 2007 6:04PM
Bloodlord FTW. He would fight the first wave, dinging as he killed the mobs, he would keep leveling until the general came, he raptor mgiht have died somewhere during the waves, but that would only help him tear up the waves that much quicker. He ability to gain levels would help him win this one.
Chris M Jun 24th 2007 6:09PM
I'm definitely putting my vote with the Bloodlord. If you ding'd through every mob you killed, the number of mobs wouldn't be a problem. You'd constantly be building up power after every wave.
Granted, I never fought the General, or his army- but I have faced the Bloodlord in a raid encounter; and he was no slouch. I'm putting my money with him.
Chris
darkicon Jun 24th 2007 6:13PM
I am for bloodlord. His level dings would send the general packing. His raptor is nasty too.
Baluki Jun 24th 2007 6:15PM
Here are their respective WoWwiki pages, for reference:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Bloodlord_Mandokir
http://www.wowwiki.com/General_Rajaxx
Been a while since I fought either of them. But I think Mandokir is pretty impotent if he doesn't have a few raid members to level up on, and his charge ability is worthless if he only has one target.
One-on-one, my bet is on Rajaxx. But if it were Rajaxx and 10 angry bugs vs. Mandokir and 10 crazy trolls, I think I'd probably bet on mandokir.
Opiate Jun 24th 2007 6:25PM
Bloodlord, the whirlwind could easily 1-2 shot the waves, with all aggro on him. He'd ding like crazy, and after/if his raptor is killed, he could easily 1 shot hit everyone and 3 shot any boss. By the time he found Rajjaxx, he'd be super powerful.
oshin Jun 24th 2007 7:00PM
Tricky one, sure mandolkir can ding like crazy, but the general can just half his hp every thunderclap, and with no healing i bet it would kick some ass.
Jaffer Jun 24th 2007 7:02PM
My vote is on Bloodlord Mandokir for several reasons.
1. if he is fighting through the waves, he'll gain levels like crazy, wich means what would have started as an even fight will end as Mandokir being twice Rajaxx's level.
2. the watching that Mandokir does. in a 20 man raid, you would have at least 2 of every important class, so one not doing anything while being watched isn't a problem. however when Rajaxx is fighting Mandokir in a one on one, the watching aspect will always hit Rajaxx.
3. Mandokir has his raptor, now I know it's not as strong as he is (even if Mandokir wouldn't ding from the waves) but when it drops Mandokir will enrage, causing more dammage against Rajaxx.
conclusion: If Mandokir had to fight through Rajaxx's waves, then Mandokir would win by pure level. however, if Mandokir took Rajaxx on without going through his waves, I believe that Rajaxx's AoE attacks would kill the raptor before Mandokir, causing Mandokir to enrage. that coupled with the watching aspect of the fight I still think Mandokir would win, but the fight would be closer.
Cruelruin Jun 24th 2007 7:20PM
Mandokir would wipe the floor with Rajaxx. With Rajaxx's army to level up on, and possibly a dead raptor, Mandokir would be no pushover.
As well with the lore idea that trolls have amazing regeneration abilities, the thunderclap wouldn't pose much threat.
Jashin Jun 24th 2007 7:38PM
Bloodlord hands down would wipe the floor with them easily.
He would whirlwind crit them to pieces. Glare at a stupid bug then go berserk since its to dumb to stop attacking.
Plus.. he is a troll. He can't loose.
AareDub Jun 24th 2007 10:18PM
This one is a very interesting matchup. If Rajaxx wins this, he's going to be hard to beat because of his thunderclap. Though, while Mandokir has the chance to become a god in this fight after mowing down waves, he's pretty unimpressive against most of the competition 1 on 1.
Onyxia doesn't get her whelps, Mandokir doesn't get the resurrection ghosts, but Rajaxx gets his waves. It seems unfair in the favor of Rajaxx. The only exception to that is when he's fighting Mandokir who can level up off of the waves. Nice call WoW Insider.... nice call.
I think I have to give this one to the Bloodlord, but its sad becaues he'll drop quickly next round whereas Rajaxx could've done some damage in the bracket.
Xiphus Jun 24th 2007 9:24PM
Well, they are fighting at even ground. No raptor, no insect waves, just a no-holds brawl between Mandokir and Rajaxx.
As it is just Rajaxx vs Mandokir, I say the winner is Rajaxx. Sure, Mandokir can level up, but he only has Rajaxx to kill. And Rajaxx keeps halfing his life. Eventually, Rajaxx would reduce his life so much that all he needs is just a bunch of whacks to bring Mandokir down. Not to mention, Rajaxx isn't an idiot if you follow the lore. He did set a trap to tip the scales in his favor back the first time the Silithids engaged the Night Elves. Thus, if he sees the whirlwind, he will scramble away.
Grimtar Jun 24th 2007 9:38PM
It certainly seems that Broodlord has the advantage here, having to fight the waves and levelling up...
... but the Thunderclap could be an equaliser.
ApolloIV Jun 24th 2007 10:12PM
I'm going to go with Rajaxx because of the AoE that would half Blood lord's health. Do that a couple times and Rajaxx is winner by K.O
Elizabeth Harper Jun 24th 2007 11:30PM
Well, perhaps I should have allowed Onyxia her whelps. (Though I really don't think they'd have saved her!) In general, I'm trying to include adds in the fight when they are an integral part of the encounter, and not simply... hmm... how to put this... terrain issues?
The whelps, in my opinion, are tied to the specific terrain of Onyxia's Lair. They're positioned such as to cause problems for a standard raid configuration (tanking her with her head facing the back wall of the cave, to avoid knockbacks on your MT, means that her tail is perfectly positioned to toss people into whelp pits on either side).
In the case of Rajaxx, I think his armies are an integral part of the encounter -- and they aren't tied to the terrain in the same way that whelp eggs in a dragon's lair are. The same goes for Mandokir's raptor. They're mobile, and they follow their masters.
Anyway... Mandokir in a simple one-on-one fight with any boss would loose, hands down. And that would be dull, right? :)
But I do think the fight could go either way. Obviously, Mandokir's massive level (presuming he makes it through the initial waves, which I think is pretty likely -- after a few kills he'd really gain momentum) would make him a beast in a fight. But Rajaxx would be using his Thunder Clap ability to half Mandokir's health (and, coincidentally, knocking Mandokir out of melee range, where he does all of his damage). The fight would be on a timer -- could Mandokir overpower Rajaxx before Thunder Clap killed him?
Karmakin Jun 25th 2007 12:02AM
Do the math. They're both lvl 70 right now. But with the waves..49 kills in total...Mandokir would gain 49 levels. up to level 119.
Thunderclap? Resist. Resist. Resist. Ok, maybe it hits once. But Rajaxx doesn't last 20 hits.
Baluki Jun 25th 2007 2:34AM
Mandokir doesn't really "gain levels" in the same way that characters gain levels. He just incrementally does more damage each time he "dings". If he really did gain levels, then after 2 or 3 player deaths he'd be untouchable, because he'd resist/avoid most of the attacks against him, and his melee attacks would be all crushing blows (I think...I'm not very familiar with how melee attacks work on bosses).
A better way to think of it is that he gains Attack Power each time he dings.
Eldude Jun 25th 2007 5:46AM
after 4 thunderclaps mandokir is at 12.5% BASE health let alone after the extra damage rajaxx would have done,
mandokir is gona suffer real bad with no heals. If mandokir is unable to kill him in the time of 4 thunderclaps rajaxx wins.
Stiksy Jun 25th 2007 7:16AM
If the fight is at Zul'Gurub, I vote for Rajaxx. Why? Because he would use the stair exploit! His troops would be meleeing Mandokir at the ground, and he would stay on the platform near the stairs, just doing ranged DPS.
Cascade Jun 25th 2007 8:45AM
Assuming they start all together...i.e. no waves for Mandokir to level up on...Rajaxx after just 3 AoEs...no problem. thats simply too much health to lose without healing.
keenan_true Jun 25th 2007 10:11AM
Doesn't matter how many times you ding, Mando gets his life cut in half every thunderclap and doesn't have any healers. He dies!