Breakfast Topic: Do druids need a rez?
And no, I don't mean just the dead ones. Out of the four classes that can heal (Shaman, Druid, Priest, Paladin), Druids are the only one without a "regular" out-of-combat resurrection spell. Yes, they have Rebirth, which even works in combat, but it's on a half-hour cooldown. This means that a group with a druid as its main healer often feels obligated to pick up a resurrector as well, which in turn means a restoration druid is not as valuable a group member as a healer of a different class, assuming that healer is equally capable, in an instance where people are likely to die (Heroics, for example).My question: is that the way it should be? Is this within the lines of good class variation, or does lacking a rez hurt druids enough that it's worth homogenizing the classes a bit by giving them one? Does Rebirth make up for the absence of a "spammable" ressurection? One forum denizen suggests giving a resurrection spell to Tree of Life druids. What do you think of that?
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
Timatah Jun 29th 2007 8:08AM
Druids already get free travel forms, free flight forms, the ability to do nearly the same job as any other class in the game... no, I say they get to have at least ONE drawback...
Gurrash Jun 29th 2007 8:16AM
Honestly it is fine the way it is. It gives another way of ressing a healer without relying on a Soulstone.
Or it can obviously be used to res someone that normally wouldn't be soulstoned (ie a DPS class or someone in an Offtank role.)
While, yes, there are times that I have wished that Druids could res OOC I've found it more useful (in a raid environment more so) to have access to an IC res.
Kaylek Jun 29th 2007 8:22AM
I agree with 1, however insignificant a normal rez may be, they can already match nearly every class in every role (resto makes a better healer than even a paladin in my book). They really don't deserve anything new at this point.
Squishy Jun 29th 2007 8:26AM
Uh, yes. If Shaman get the ability to SELF-REZ and OOC rez, Druids should get an OOC rez as well. For exactly the reason stated - parties are practically forced to bring a second rezzer.
A party shouldn't be forced to have a shaman/paladin/priest in addition to a druid.
Becca Jun 29th 2007 8:32AM
I'm going to agree with Gurrash, I think their ability to rez someone in combat greatly outweighs their inability to rez out of combat.
I don't recall a single group I've been in that has only had a druid and no other type of rezzing class, so there's nothing stopping the other classes to help out with rezzing (even if they're not the healer) and getting the party on it's feet again.
However, I wouldn't mind if tree druids got another type of rez because it's their job to heal (for lack of a better word), and there will always be some prick shaman or shadow priest who refuses to help out or the odds are against you and you're in the group with two hunters, a mage, and a warrior.
Medros Jun 29th 2007 8:44AM
Yes, a resto druid is better than even a Holy Paladin, cause Holy Paladins healing is lacking. My view? Grab a Shadow Priest for as DPS slot, or a Ret or Prot Paladin for a slot in your group, and use them for res. As long as your druid either stays up, or makes sure the Paladin is back up before going down, you will still have a good balance. Just because a player can res, doesn't mean they need to fill a healer spot.
Tridus Jun 29th 2007 8:39AM
Sure, if their In Combat res is removed to be in line with every other healing class.
Funny how that "everybody else has one!" argument can turn against you, eh?
The simple reality is that Druids can do something that no other healing class can: res in combat. That is an awesomely powerful ability. There is a tradeoff for having it.
Squishy Jun 29th 2007 8:44AM
@5:
"I don't recall a single group I've been in that has only had a druid and no other type of rezzing class, so there's nothing stopping the other classes to help out with rezzing (even if they're not the healer) and getting the party on it's feet again."
Exactly my point. Thanks for backing me up on this. A party *HAS* to have a second rezzer. What if you want to do a five-man with a warrior/rogue/hunter/mage/druid? Not going to happen.
Phil Jun 29th 2007 8:43AM
Maybe to Tree of Life druids, sure. I play a druid, and other than that, I'm pretty sure we don't need one. The idea behind druids seems to be that we can do anything, but we can't do it as well as someone who's focused - you know, jack of all trades, master of none?
Then again, I've never run into any sort of jealousy or anything of that kind from having to pick up a healer - I'm spec'd Feral, doing mostly healing is new for me.
Lish Jun 29th 2007 8:44AM
@1 Many other classes get "free" travel forms. The the druid's normal flight form is practically free, but the swift form is most certainly not. Druids do have the ability to do nearly the same job as any other class in the game, but they have to specialize in order to do any one job well enough to be good at it, leaving their ability to do all other jobs only mediocre at best.
So yeah, druids should have a normal rez, even if it's limited to a talent in the resto tree.
Squishy Jun 29th 2007 8:44AM
@6:
"Sure, if their In Combat res is removed to be in line with every other healing class."
Fine. If Blizzard removes the shaman self-rez and I'll shut up about a druid OOCR.
Oh, what's that? That's ok? Hmmm, pot kettle black.
Kidsmoke Jun 29th 2007 8:46AM
It wouldn't be a bad thing necesarily, but I object to the idea that each hybrid form should perform just as well if not better than other classes that primarily focus in.
There should be some drawbacks to hybrid classes.
Same issue with Ret Pallies. There is no need for Ret Pallies to be on par with say rouges for DPS. Pallies are already godlike healers and irreplacebale in pvp. Why do they also need something else to excell at? Retribution exists for soloing.
Druids have their healer form and excell at healing. So what if they only have a 30 min battles rez.
The biggest problem with hybrid tweaking is that it continualy waters the game down by making all of the classes the same.
What's next totems for everyone?
Culwch Jun 29th 2007 8:51AM
No because they can already tank, Ranged/melee DPS and heal just as well if not better than the other 3 healing classes. It comes down to the fact that if you go with a certain class, you need to weigh the pros and cons. Paladin = mana efficient single target healer with no HoTs and some difficulty healing multiple targets. Thats the best example I can use because I am a pally who is in a guild with our top 3 druids being a feral, resto, and Balance. You can't have everything. Just quit complaining.
Checky Jun 29th 2007 8:50AM
Lets just give all classes the ability to OOC rez...better yet why not just combine all the talents, skills and abilities of all the classes into one big super class and then everyone can just pick that and quit whining.
PyroAmos Jun 29th 2007 8:53AM
warlocks and shammans can res in combat as well, and shammans have a ooc res and warlocks arn't even a healing class
really the only place this hurts you is in 5 mans/heroics, in a raid enviroment you'll have plenty of people who can res and battle res is much better. Doesn't really matter for 5 mans/heroics either if your good ^^
Tiago Jun 29th 2007 8:58AM
Well, the current situation is almost optimal.
The combat rezz is nice to have and can save a group from a wipe.
But the offset for it being available in combat is too big.
I mean, 30 minutes? Sheesh.
I say, lower the cooldown to 5 or 10 minutes.
The Druid rezz would still not be a wipe recovery mechanic, but it would help a lot with the ocasional deaths that occur in parties...
Tridus Jun 29th 2007 8:59AM
@9:
What does Self-res have to do with OOC resssing? Self-res is wipe protection, its a replacement for Soulstones and Divine Intervention (or Feign Death & Jumper Cables).
I'm glad you managed to duck the issue of Druids having a completely unique skill with IC res though, it'd be a shame if rampant Druid whining was stopped by reality.
Kidsmoke Jun 29th 2007 8:59AM
See this is one of the problems I see with Hybrid classes. (My mains a rogue, but all of my alts are hybrids)
Someone rolls a Druid thinking they can do it all, and then once they realize they have to specialize and when compared to a warrior/rogue/mage/priest that is equally geared for their specialization they fall short.
I say tough. If my guild gets too many rogues or I can't just run some 5 mans do some BG's respec and changee how my rogue plays. Druids have that freedom.
Classes should have distinctions good and bad.
I'd love to wear mail or plate and be able to sacrifce some of my STM for more crit or ATP, but I can't cause I'm a squishy ass rogue.
Every class has their benefits and drawbacks (yes even shamans).
Case closed or maybe we should keep whining till the only flavor we get from WoW is vanilla.
Cakeordeath Jun 29th 2007 9:04AM
I play a druid and have never seen it as a problem. If you want to bring a resto druid and are worried about OOC rezzing, bring a ret or prot pally, a shadow priest, or an elemental or enhancement shaman. Problem solved.
Murdoc Jun 29th 2007 9:03AM
@15 Your just stupid... warlocks can not self rez themselves in combat unless they have a soulstone... and if you are in a group.. you dont have the soulstone