Guilds may come and go, but friendships are forever.
Recently, I wrote a piece called "All guilds are is dust in the wind," and our reader Rihlsul has written a "rebuttal" to it, entitled "5 tips for a long lived guild," for which I am surprisingly quite thankful. Personally I don't see it as a rebuttal at all; rather it complements my overall point, which perhaps I did not express as clearly as possible before. Some people heard me flippantly dismissing guilds as pointless and suggesting that we should hop from one to the other selfishly any time we felt the inclination. To the contrary, my post (as well as my reference to mandala art) has to do with unrealistic expectations, and dealing with the sadness that comes along when your guild hopes don't work out.The majority of my time in World of Warcraft so far has been in two guilds. Both meant a lot to me, and both broke up because we didn't follow Rihlsul's 4th tip, that as a guild you really need to be doing things together, and that means having common goals in the game. In both cases, different members of the guild changed their minds as to what they wanted to do -- which is perfectly natural, since they gained levels, the expansion came out, and new activities opened up. These were small guilds anyway, and they no longer felt like thriving communities. At first, it seemed as if each guild was a failure.
Perhaps Rihlsul would say that each one was a failure, that the guild leaders did something "wrong;" and perhaps from a certain perspective he is right. In two places in his article, he uses the word "marriage" in conjunction with his feelings about good guilds, which suggests to me that he views a guild as a kind of eternal relationship, counts their longevity as a measure of their loyalty, or at least counts such loyalty as their most important quality. This is what he wants from his guild, and I commend him and his guildmates for striving to achieve it. If your guild is a lifelong bonding of friends, like a tightly knit group of friends from childhood, then that's wonderful! Cherish that, and nourish it as long as you can!
But for me and for many others, these groupings of friends have gradually changed over time; some individuals have drifted away to who knows where, and others have gone on doing things with me individually. Yet it is has never been like a broken marriage or a group of childhood friends shattering of their entire relationship. These friends and I may decide to do different things with our time, stop playing such games altogether, or -- heaven forbid -- lose touch completely, but if we have enjoyed our time together as much as possible then we've achieved something very real. Naturally I want my guild to last as long as possible, and I will do everything in my power to follow Rihlsul's five tips, yet in the end we all must acknowledge that things happen in life, people change, and outwardly connections may appear to be lost. There is something that lives on.
The whole beauty of a mandala for me is that even though the sand of which it was made has been brushed away, the beauty of it lasts in your mind. To view our guild, our game, or even the act of gaming itself as a temporary manifestation (like a mandala) of a real and valuable thing (like beauty), and then to cherish the eternal elements within such impermanent things (in our present experience as well as in our memory) -- this grants a great deal of peace in the face of changes. It improves one's expectations and helps identify the really important things. Your guild members may eventually get separated, but in the end you always remain loyal to whatever true connections you shared.Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Guilds






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Shadowhaxor Jul 12th 2007 2:21PM
Sadly, even when you make friends in game, it doesn't mean that they will be your friends still after a guild disband / quit. I thought the friends I made would be friends even after, but they've shown me thats not the case.
bronbron Jul 12th 2007 3:28PM
I heart Camo N'Gorky
Honesty from your guild leaders is nice, or at least it would have been.
Coherent Jul 12th 2007 5:47PM
Friendships are NOT forever. That's a pretty romantic view, but absolutely untrue. Friendships usually only last about 20% longer than the situation that created them.
Relationships last pretty well, so if you really want to keep someone in your life after the guild breaks up, start dating them.
Rihlsul Jul 12th 2007 7:08PM
Heya, thanks for the nod back.. I've been in guilds that have blown up spectacularly - but I don't consider them failures at all. The like minded folks went their separate ways and grew new friendships.
I'm with you that all things are impermanent and guilds in WoW probably have a pretty low shelf life. But, we try as we can. =)
Shalorra Jul 13th 2007 4:07AM
In my guild we take 2 routes to get new blood.
1. If it's a casual 'can I join ?' then we ask people to apply on our guild website. If people can't be bothered (and some can't) that weeds them out before any of us spend any time on it. Once they've applied one of the guild officers (usually me !) interviews them and then we decide.
2. If we've run an instance with a 'random' (ie not a guild member) and they ask to join we'll allow that straight away (assuming their performance was up to scratch). After 2 hours in an instance with someone, you quickly learn whether they're a good player and, more importantly, a decent sort of person who's not going to rock the boat.
For handling "but he's my friend" enquiries we're still quite firm about sticking to this approach - it prevents accusations of favouritism.
Rihlsul Jul 13th 2007 7:54AM
Yar. Someone on our realm forums asked once why casual guilds have folks 'apply' as 'that doesn't seem very casual'. My overly verbose response to that is also on the thread linked.
Lokse Jul 13th 2007 6:59PM
Recently I got an IM via gmail, from an old co-officer from an old guild I was in which had broken up, and all of us had pretty much retired from WoW temporarily or permanently. He says "who is this?" and instead of saying "I'm Rick James, bitch," I said hi long time no see, and reminded him who I was. We promptly IM chatted for over 3 hours, and he invited me to come join his raiding guild on a different server, since I had been in a bit of a funk on my main, which I'd recently come back to playing on a server full of people I mostly no longer new.
Now I'm on a new realm with old friends, and a new guild. We have lots of fun and they're far more progressed than any other guild I would have had a chance to get into with my hunter.
Guilds come and go indeed, but friends can be forever. =)