The Care and Feeding of Warriors: The Tank Shortage?

Every week Matthew Rossi descends beyond the swirly portal to wrest forth the precious wisdom he brings forth in the form of this column, The Care and Feeding of Warriors. Unfortunately, the drop rate on precious wisdom is about as low as you might expect, and so we usually end up having to read his actual thoughts.
Everyone seems to be complaining about a lack of tanks. Mind you, this doesn't stop people from being really damn rude to you even as they're asking you to tank for them. Why, just yesterday I was about to grind up some honor in Alterac Valley when I got a tell asking me if I would tank Shattered Halls. Being bored, I said okay, I'd do it and proceeded to swap onto my tanking set and head out to Hellfire Peninsula. I tend not to ask for summons to instances, since it's not like it's that hard to get there myself most of the time. Once I arrive, I'm immediately subjected to the What spec are you questionnaire. Now, if I'm applying to tank a run, sure, ask me my spec. If you're asking me to tank for you, ask my spec before you invite me to the party and have me come out to the instance, because once I'm there I don't appreciate being grilled about whether you think I can do the job. The time for that question was when I was still close to the battlemasters in Orgrimmar.
The amusing thing is, I didn't bother to answer, because I know full well that when people are asking random warriors to tank runs for them, they don't have the ability to demand that you be prot spec. In order for you to have that luxury, there has to be a surplus of people crazy or stupid enough to want to tank. If you could have gotten a Feral or a Prot Pally to do this, you would have. Tanks are hard to find because, while tanking well can be an incredibly rewarding, challenging and even fun experience, it's a lot of work and we know you need us more than we need you. If I don't like a group I'll just go back to what I was doing and join LFG when I'm in the mood to do it. I don't need to fill out an app, especially not once I got my gear and came out to the swirly gate with my Shattered Halls key in hand.
The real irony is, I prefer prot spec and would love to invest heavily in the tree, but my horde warrior is much, much more effective at both PvP and soloing/questing as an arms/prot hybrid (15 points in protection) than he would be specced purely for tanking. I already have one character who is set up purely for instancing (my 70 resto shaman) and frankly, I need someone who can generate the cash we need to stay afloat for Kara runs. And so, I tanked Shattered Halls as an Arms warrior and when we were done and Bladefist was dead, I went on my merry way, the mercenary warrior who tanks random PuG's for blue drops and who never gets that damn fist weapon. I wanted to offer this advice for the legions of people who seem unable to find a tank.
If you want a tank, then don't give the tank crap about his spec once he joins the party. Don't tell her how to tank the instance. Don't offer up tips based on other tanks you've seen or constantly complain that the run isn't going as fast as it did that time you had the Feral tank it. Because we don't care. I am not in your PuG because I care one iota about you as a person. When I do guild runs or runs with my friends, I might care about how much fun they're having, but with a stranger I am there for as much money and loot as I can get and as few wipes as I can arrange. If I'm not specced to your liking, I don't care. If we're not going fast enough for you, I don't care. I am sitting here at 493 defense beating on mobs because I have something to get out of it in most cases, same as the rogue daggering it up or bludgeoning it, same as the warlock DoTting it up, same as the shaman in the back casting Earth Shield on me to help soak up the damage.
This is pretty general advice, I realize, and it applies to any tank. If you're curious about the paladin who is going to be tanking the instance, ask her up front, don't wait until mobs are being pulled. Don't wait until the druid casts thorns and switches form to get ready for some faerie fire to try and argue that the warrior with the 2h weapon should pull out his shield - what do you think the druid decided to go all furry for? It wasn't so you could see his excellently large bear behind up close and personal. Yes, I'm sure the texture is very well rendered, but he's actually intending to hit things like that.
Yes, I'm aware that often, it's the tank being a jackass. I've got a healer, I know there are tanks out there who will say things like 'Shield Slam? What's that?' or who don't know about the Shield Block/Revenge combination, who won't wait for mana, can't find Sunder Armor with both his hands and Google maps, who don't bring consumables, and sometimes who are just generally terrible because they're new to a tanking class and don't know what they're doing. Sometimes these people can learn if you bother to try and help them, and sometimes they can't. It's certainly not the role of a PuG to become a shop in tanking basics. But just as I don't talk to every rogue I play with as if he or she is brain dead because of the many, many times a rogue has wiped a group by going on to engage another mob while we were still recovering from the last fight... just as I don't treat all mages, or all of any class or role as if they were mindless idiots because of the multitude of mindless idiots I've experienced, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask that you wait to be jerks to me until we've done a few pulls first.
Other things to keep in mind: this is a personal quirk, but if you're telling racist jokes, being a homophobe, whatever it is that personally bothers or offends me, you'll get one warning from me and if you keep it up I'll drop group. See, while I don't personally think there is a tank shortage, I'm not silly enough to let the power inherent in the common perception of tanks being hard to find go to waste. I humbly encourage every tank, be he warrior, druid or paladin to make use of this situation. If they're asking you to tank, don't let them disrespect you. In return, if you're getting treated fairly, do your best for them and treat them fairly as well.
Part of the reason why it seems hard to find a tank for a PuG is because, after being burned enough times by them, tanks tend to stick to guild groups. I may tank less if I do that, but when I do tank, I know it will be appreciated and my work will be respected. Why would I trade that for being dumped on before I even step into the instance? The tank's time is as valuable to him as yours is to you. In many cases, if you treat a tank well, much like a wild bear you coax forth from the wilderness with honey and other treats, you'll quickly find yourself with a steadfast pal who will endure all manner of crappy runs with you while trading whispers about how incredibly awful that other guy is.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
Kyr Aug 17th 2007 12:15PM
Wow, you got a lot of attitude. I bet you have a few half-arsed kara epics and think it makes you so wonderful that the entire server wants you to tank for them.
Get off your high horse, please. There is no shortage of tanks anywhere, if you know where to look and have some patience. Some of the situations you describe are very familiar and you couldn't be more right, but seriously... this is still an MMO in which you'll have to consider other people's feelings et al. If you're going to treat every pug as idiots before they've even started, well, then good luck to you.
This coming from a tank, mind you. I still agree with what you've written, just not with the tone it was in.
Raven Aug 17th 2007 12:32PM
In all honesty kyr, I agree with the write more than anything. The tone sets the mood we feel, I refuse to step outside my guild for runs.. why because people in pugs are jackasses, plain and simple.. oh we did this Kara last time... what the hell do I care about Kara last time, this is now... I am fury/arms.. if you want me specced prot .. pay my fees.. Then there is the whole, finance thing.. More often than not I am broke after a pug and no one offers to tip or say here bud.. for repairs.. so in all goods luck finding tanks.. yes they will get rare and this due to you people out there burning us and making silly demands..
rick gregory Aug 17th 2007 1:00PM
OK, fine. I agree on asking about spec upfront, etc. But let's turn this on it's head:
I won't care about your spec - if you can do your job. Hold aggro! Not on one mob, but 2 at least. And hold aggro while enabling the DPS to put out a reasonable fraction of our damage. If i have to throttle my damage too much, you're not doing your job. If you can only tank one mob at a time, you're not doing your job. Now, I can pull aggro of almost any tank if I try... and I might need to get a feel for where the bar is with you. But the bar had better be reasonably high, because I'm not there to hit them with pillows.
As long as a tank holds aggro against good for the instance dps and can hold more than a single mob, I could care less how they do it. But if I open with Garrote so you can build rag and my first Sinister Strike consistently pulls aggro off of you, you can go back to AV.
Wulfhere Aug 17th 2007 1:19PM
Clearly he did hold aggro, though, since he stated that they killed Bladefist. Obviously a decent tank can hold aggro on multiple mobs as long as the party knows to attack the MT target, although he might have to taunt a time or two. But that's not the point.
You should treat everyone with the same courtesy you want to get out of them, for starters. That SHOULD, but often ISN'T, a given. But if there is this shortage of tanks that everyone complains about in half the comment threads here, then simply put the tank has the power to enforce his respect.
rick gregory Aug 17th 2007 2:08PM
@Wulfhere,
No disagreement.. esp not on the issue of respect. But I have instanced with Arms Warriors who *can't* hold aggro without me throttling dps massively. My point wasn't specific to the OP, but to tanks in general. I won't bug you about spec or tactics if you're doing your job. If you're not (and I mean obviously not, not the occasional mob that gets away, etc) then I will.
Respect SHOULD be a given. Sadly, it's often not.
twh Aug 17th 2007 2:42PM
Try being a pally, getting a whisper, asking you do help with 'Instance X', expecting you to heal when you're tank specced. Yeah, that's a fun experience to deal with.
It only gets better when the group leader tells you, "You should be Holy."
Yeah, pugs are dumb.
Ghen Aug 17th 2007 2:48PM
I agree completely with Matt, if you need a tank and someone responds back that they will tank for you, that should be the end of the conversation. You wanted a tank and I said I would tank.
Matthew Rossi Aug 17th 2007 2:52PM
I should stress that I'm fine with my spec being questioned and even not being ultimately invited to a run because you'd prefer another spec, even if it's not necessary in my opinion. You should make the choices that make the runs best for you.
But common consideration means that we should have that conversation before I get to the instance.
Erica Olson Aug 17th 2007 2:52PM
Yep, PUGs can be mostly horrid. But for many of us it's the only way we can get to some of the content.
I don't care what your class is, you should be respected in the group until proven that you're an idiot. Hopefully, one can learn whilest in the group and become a better "whatever class".
I absolutely despise people who tell me how I should be specced and expect me to quick run and do it. Now, if it's done with respect and helpful attitude, I'll listen because they just might know what they're talking about and have a different learning curve than I've had. If it's done because they're a jerk, /hearth.
Nion Aug 17th 2007 3:07PM
As a prot warrior myself, I disagree with the "don't tell them your spec" comment. Thats the very first thing I tell them when I'm off-spec. They almost never ask me to stick around once they learn I'm arms/fury, even more rarely ask enough questions to figure out that I can tank heroics off-spec. Let the pug shoot themselves in the foot, just go do your thing.
dekulink Aug 17th 2007 2:59PM
I think there's a bit too much ranting going on in here. While sure, we tanks are important, the group has a right to ask what spec we are. As a Pally when people ask what I am I'm proud to say "Prot, so I'll be tanking." This makes it seem like tanks are what MAKE the game great and you'd better respect our authoritay.
Richard Aug 17th 2007 3:01PM
"...ust as I don't talk to every rogue I play with as if he or she is brain dead because of the many, many times a rogue has wiped a group by going on to engage another mob while we were still recovering from the last fight."
Well, then you're a fool, just like the people you're lambasting... for grouping up with these "many" rogues that you claim do this.
*ANY* rogue worth his salt knows full well to NEVER engage a mob that the MT hasn't had a few hits on.
It's rule #1 in aggro management.
Sounds like your server is full of noobs.
dotorion Aug 17th 2007 3:00PM
- Any class and any role can be a jackass. I've had a priest refuse to buff Fortitude on me because he lacked reagents for the group buff. (and was too lazy to manually buff even only me as a tank)
- If I ask people if they can come tank or heal an instance at lv 70, I don't really expect them to be a certain spec, I'm just hoping they have the gear for it and can pull it off with their certain spec.
For all I care the healer is specced 0/0/0 because he's indecisive, if he has the gear for it and can pull it off, I don't care.
- Why is it that people get picky when asking for a tank or healer , but not for DPS or utility ?
Have you ever asked a rogue what spec he was before you invited him? No, because you don't care. If he does decent DPS, it's all good.
-If you ask me to come and heal, I say no because i don't have the right spec and gear for it. If I say yes, you can assume i'm specced and geared for the role.
I kind of agree with the article poster, have some trust in the people you ask for a role. If it doesn't work, you can still leave the party or have them leave. If all goes well, you don't have to be nagging about spec and/or gear.
Stormsinger Aug 17th 2007 3:05PM
Luckily the whispers I get always start with "are you feral?" or "what's your spec?". Much less confusion likely for druids.
One of the reasons that tanks take abuse is that it's their job... pause.. you know? To draw hate? Ok, I thought it was funny. That said, bad tanks are about the worst thing to group with. The whole group is balanced on the tank and if they suck the run will be hellish. And, for the warriors (usually warriors really, since other classes can to pick tanking and wars can get it thrust upon them) it can be not very much fun. Esspecially if you came up in PvP or pure DPS. So I think the tank should be shown some love (just like the healer). They are doing a less fun overall job for the benefit of the group.
cdb2000 Aug 17th 2007 3:12PM
So, the gist of this post is "don't be an asshole when you group with people." Couldn't have figured that one out myself. Thanks...
Wulfhere Aug 17th 2007 3:13PM
@cdb2000
Well, you couldn't figure it out when you're posting a comment, could you?
Ryan Aug 17th 2007 3:18PM
My question is why in the world would a druid/pallie/warrior agree to tank if they weren't a tanking spec? The thing that ticks me off is when I'm invited to a pug that's already partially formed and then realize once we zone in that the "tank" is dps or healing spec.
I understand if you have a lot of epics and know what you are doing it's ok as long as the other people are cool with it, but don't just expect that it's ok with everyone for you to pull out your Deep Thunder on heroics.
cdb2000 Aug 17th 2007 3:27PM
@16
You're right. The group dynamics of blog commenting would suggest I'm out of line. I apologize.
Prauche Aug 17th 2007 3:28PM
Um, before I ask a random, non-guild tank, I look at the Armory. HELLOOOOO, specs are on the Armory too people.
And yes, if you want something specific, don't ask someone to do X only to have them drag their sorry carcass out to you where you proceed THEN to grill them on their abilities. (See Armory comment above to alleviate some of those problems.)
idburns Aug 17th 2007 3:29PM
It's so funny how up in arms people get with their comment's here.
My 70 prot tank enjoyed the article.