Azeroth Interrupted: Reader Mail -- Is playing WoW on a school night ok?

Each week, Robin Torres contributes Azeroth Interrupted, a column about balancing real life with WoW.
This week, I am answering an email from Bonechiller:
Dear Robin,
I am a 15 year old that enjoys playing WoW in my free time. School starts for me in 6 days and my mom informed me today that I won't allowed to play WoW during the week. I play in a raiding guild and would like to raid Sunday-Tuesday (3 nights a week). I don't understand how. It is not fair, I have a 4.1 GPA and do not do drugs or drink. I also play in the marching band and on the school tennis team. She won't listen to anything that I have to say about this game, I mean, it is so much more productive than sitting there watching T.V. or starting at a wall. All she does is read the threads of the people whose lives have been ruined because of this game, about 1% of the game population. Is there anyway that I can convince her that it should not be a problem that I can play 15 hours a week? She just doesn't understand what this game has done for me socially, and it reduces my stress SO much. I just don't know anyway to make her understand or let me play, do you have any suggestions?( You are a mother, but you do play the game =))
~Bonechiller- 70 mage, Eitrigg US~
P.S.- I want her to read what you have to say, since you are a mother and can relate to her, in motherly ways)
Dear Bonechiller,
First of all, you're not going to want to hear this, but I applaud your mother for being an active parent and I can see her concerns about your active school/extracurricular schedule possibly being compromised by school night gaming. With patience and constructive communication, however, I think the two of you can come to a compromise that will make both of you happy.
I don't think your smartest move would be to direct your mother to this article. She really has no reason to respect anything I have to say -- I'm some stranger writing about WoW on the internet. I think she would be much more impressed and convinced if you go to her armed with good arguments in your own words, accompanied by tangible examples of your being able to get things done while still being an active WoW player.
You make some extremely valid points. I agree that playing a video game in general, and an actively social MMO like WoW in particular, is a much better expenditure of your time than watching TV. You are puzzle solving, developing strategies and practicing social skills while playing WoW. The most you can get out of TV is possibly learning some new facts on one of the semi-educational channels like Discovery or History -- without being able to interact and ask questions. You are also correct that there are many temptations as a teenager that you are avoiding with your busy school and play schedules. I congratulate you and hope you keep it up.
Your mom has obviously instilled you with good values and you seem to respect her authority -- even if you don't agree with her rules. It seems her ambitions for you (and hopefully yours) lean toward a college education. She knows that at your age, school is getting harder and more time consuming. She also knows that your grades and your extracurricular activities will decide what quality of university you will get into and whether you will qualify for scholarships. These are very important things to be thinking about at your age and your guild's progress in the endgame content is not a question you are going to find on a college application. So your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to prove to your mother that you are working toward common higher education goals and that playing WoW responsibly -- even on a school night -- will not hinder those goals and will even somewhat help your time management skills as well as your self-discipline practice.
Bargain: Your first step is to bargain for playing on Sunday nights. If you promise to complete all of your assignments due Monday before your Sunday raid time, ask if she will allow you to raid on Sunday nights. Even if she says no at first, keep up your end of the bargain and show your mom every week that you have finished all your schoolwork and your Sunday night is free. It is important that you show your mother the actual work and not make her take your word for it. She may trust you, but it is very convincing when the incontrovertible evidence is before her and it will really help her realize that you are at least as serious about school as you are about gaming.
Don't Procrastinate: Complete all assignments ahead of schedule, whenever possible. This is a good idea even if you don't want to fit in schoolnight gaming. With this strategy, any tasks that end up taking longer than you anticipated will still get done on time. And if you show your mother that you have completed work that isn't even due for a couple of days, she will realize that you are already showing time management skills that you will need to succeed when you get to college. You particularly want to get your work done so as to show that your Monday and Tuesday nights are usually free for leisure activities.
Keep up the good work: Stay in the band and on the tennis team. These activities really balance you out as a person and will also look awesome on your college apps. If you drop one of these because you don't have time, there is no way your mother is going to let you raid on school nights and may cut your gaming out entirely.
Be flexible: I know you want to raid every single Sunday through Tuesday, but sometimes you are going to have to study for things due on Tuesday and Wednesday the nights before. Understanding that your WoW time has to be more flexible than your study time really demonstrates maturity and proper priorities. Once you get your mom to agree to Sunday night gaming, your next bargain is to ask for a flexible school night schedule. If your work is done for the week and you show that your test and assignment grades are good (actually show her any teacher comments and/or scores), ask for permission to play on nights when you've got nothing else to do and would otherwise be watching TV. Again, if your mom says no, keep doing the work ahead and demonstrating the good grades and the free nights. Keep up your end of the bargain, no matter what, so that your mother will want to reward you.
The Ultimate Goal: Though purples and end-game progression are pretty important goals for you right now, they really are nothing in the big picture. You most likely want to have a nice cushy job in the future where you can afford to buy yourself a top of the line gaming system for your nice house in an upscale neighborhood with a flashy car in the driveway -- and have plenty of time to do server firsts for whatever new expansion is out at the time. WoW may not even be your MMO of choice post college -- who knows? The best way to achieve your goals (regardless of whatever highschool dropout success stories you hear) is to get a college degree. (Plus, university life can be a ton of fun and I recommend the experience to everyone.) If you agree that getting into a good college is your biggest real life goal, then voice this to your mother when you are making your bargains. Tell her that you want to work with her to achieve this goal and that school night gaming -- when it fits into your schedule -- is just your immediate reward to help motivate you toward your longterm goals.
College Practice: If you end up living on campus or at least leave home to attend college (again, an experience I recommend to everyone if possible), you will have a lot of freedom and no one to make you get your work done on time. It will be up to you to properly schedule your schoolwork around your other activities and keep yourself disciplined. This is where a lot of very bright people fail, because highschool was so easy for them they didn't have to study and never really learned how. Often, the people who struggled a bit in highschool are the ones who are most successful when they get to college because of the study habits they picked up in order to get decent grades. Getting work done ahead of time so that you can show your mother the results will teach you the kind of discipline you will need to succeed when you are on your own. And you can use this info when trying to convince your mom to schedule raid time along with your other activities.
Your mom's job is more than just to make sure you have food, shelter, a WoW account and clothing -- and she seems to know this. She wants you to thrive as a human being and she is trying to give you the skills you need to make it out on your own. If you sincerely demonstrate that you both have the same goals, you are going to have a much easier time getting the more immediate gratification goodies that you ask for. Don't ask her to trust that you will do a good job, prove it to her and ask for the specific reward of raiding on school nights -- when possible, without adversely affecting your other activities.
You are fortunate to have a mother who actively cares about your present as well as your future and she seems to be equally lucky to have a well balanced, bright teenager. I wish you the best in both school and your raiding endeavors and I hope you keep us up to date with your progress.
Robin Torres juggles one level 70 Tauren Druid, multiple alts across multiple servers, two cats, one toddler, one loot-addicted husband and a yarn dependency. After years of attempting to balance MMOs with real life, Robin lightheartedly shares the wisdom gleaned from her experiences. If you would like to ask Robin's advice or if you have a story you wish to share, please email Robin.Torres AT weblogsinc DOT com for a possible future column.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
str Sep 3rd 2007 4:23AM
very nice summary, should be a guideline for most of parents and teens - unfortunately I fail(ed) at many points, and still regret it as a college student in his last semester.
listen to the word, kids.
yotix Sep 3rd 2007 4:31AM
When I was 14, my mom told me I was not allowed to read books after 9pm. I got a flashlight and spent most nights reading from 9:30 (her last check) until I fell asleep or the batteries ran out.
When I was 15, my dragon of a mom said I couldn't play Ultima IV on the C64 anymore (yes I'm old). My grades dropped further when I started going to bed early, and getting up at 5am in order to sneak in two hours of U4 before breakfast.
... now with raiding, these little tricks are gonna be difficult. How about raiding on the weekend, and grinding on those beautiful early weekday mornings? :)
Kodge Sep 3rd 2007 4:47AM
Im in the same situation with my dad atm. Its been the six week holidays and im not the most socially active person in the world so ive spent alot of time playing WoW.
And now its my final year in secondary school before I decide what I do with my life, and my dad says that at 9pm its time to stop playing WoW and sdo something else for a change. However ive argued and argued that all ill be doing is playing Wii or watching TV it wont seem to change his mind.
You might be thinking " Oh but kodge you silly young lad! Its only an hour! ho ho ho " but im in a semi-hardcore raid guild. Im the top warlock in my guild and this really dints my raiding experiance in WoW.
This article has really helped, id like to thank Robin for it, tanks alot man!
- Kodge, Dragonblight EU ( Keep on raidin' dudes. )
Lanth Sep 3rd 2007 4:46AM
My parents have gradually gotten harder and harder on my gaming time. First it was pretty flexible. Then came 'no computer until you've done your homework'. They then reckoned that I was doing a dodgy job on my homework to get on the computer faster, so it became no computer during the week except for homework (though I go on for an hour after school before they get home; they know this and they're fine with it). Eventually they started cutting into my weekend, and now that my TEE exams (end of high school exams) are about 2 months away, all I have is Friday nights and a bit of Saturday.
At the start of this year, I decided it wasn't worth it paying so much to play about 10 hours a week at the most, so I canceled my subscription. I have gone without WoW for about 8 and a half months now, and while I miss it, I made the right decision. School needs to come before gaming, though if you can prove to your mother that you can handle it, she should let you go on.
Though make no mistake, the moment I get home after my final exam, I'm getting straight back on WoW!
Dustin Sep 3rd 2007 5:06AM
F*CK Compromise. You wanna win this fight...Punish the mother. Date a 24 year old, do TONS of Drugs and start Failing Classes, that'll teach your mother not to keep you on the strait and narrow! That'll teach her to try and be a GOOD mother that cares for you and only wants whats best for you! That'll teach her to stick her noes into her not-18-yet daughters life.
We need more parents like this, or I'm just moving to Canada.
SaturdayFood Sep 3rd 2007 5:13AM
Thank you SOOOO much Robin! I'm going to show this to my mom as well.
And thanks Bonechiller, for asking Robin and reminding me that I have to go get myself on the cross country team!
One of the best posts I've seen (for younger readers) I love you WoW Insider!
SaturdayFood Sep 3rd 2007 5:13AM
@5 And that is how the the 1% ruins their lives. Doing drugs, not going to school, etc... You should do what Bonechiller is doing, not ruining her good life. You know that by failing their classes, they won't be able to get a job, which means they can't play WoW?
If you punish your parents like that, I truly hope you will realize that your parents are looking out for you. I don't think that "whats best for you" means letting your kid play WoW all day long.
I'm a teen, I appreciate what my mom does for me (even though we argue ^_^) but I don't see why you would punish your mom because she is looking out for you.
sephirah Sep 3rd 2007 5:55AM
It's pointless trying to discuss with unreasonable parents.
If your mother trusts more misinformed media than her son that is good at school and in other activities, well...
Shalorra Sep 3rd 2007 6:28AM
As ever the magic word is 'compromise'. I have children in my guild who sometimes moan at me that their parents won't let them play WOW or that school sucks.
I always tell them that being a parent is a hard job, and nobody ever complained that they had too many qualifications.
At the end of the day WOW is just a game (rank heresy, I know) - get a good job and when you're an adult you can spend all your spare time playing WOW if you want to. But you have to get there first...
Tridus Sep 3rd 2007 6:31AM
The problem is that the 1% in question have no time management skills. The person posing the question obviously does. The sitations are thus completely different.
I'd tell your mom about the parental controls in the game. She could set it so that you can only play until a certain time, so that you can't stay up all night raiding.
Hybrys Sep 3rd 2007 6:47AM
Ugh. I remember this. I used to fight with my parents all the time about the amount of time I spent on my computer. I kept saying, "Well, this is still a social interaction. I put my real life
friends before my online friends..."
But, no. Either way, that was a while ago... I agree with Robin on most points. Especially to experience going to college far from home. I'm 14 hours away from my parents, for my second year, and, while it's great, I find myself spending little time gaming. The time management you learn from just being in the real world is phenominal.
Also, don't "punish" your parents. Even if the offhand comment was sarcastic, don't. They raised you, and they only worry.
Demeth Sep 3rd 2007 9:10AM
Here's a few ideas:
1: Ask your mom to leave you to your own habits for a marking period. If your grades drop, let her have her way. If they don't, she should leave you alone.
2: Quit WoW and find something more productive to do.
hamiltonerics Sep 3rd 2007 9:25AM
Excellent job, really. I believe you set out some great guidelines for him to follow. I just wanted to share my story too, although it doesn't back up your's, Robbin, keep in mind that I agree with you.
I am a senior in high school, in the International Baccalaureate program (a fairly rigorous program comparable to AP, but more standardized). I play WoW every day, and still manage my time quite well. I absolutely love WoW, and I swear, my dream job would just be to design for Blizz. However, when things get busy, or when I have a lot to do one day, I don't make WoW my priority. I come home most days, read WoW Insider (yup, my first activity) and usually get in a little WoW before work, if I'm not swamped. I don't reccomend this at all, but in all reality, if you can manage your time, and know how much work you must do, whether you play WoW before hand or afterwards, all that matters in the end is whether your work is done to the best of your ability and on time.
So, if that high schooler who emailed you reads my comment, I hope he can see that WoW can be managed. I don't have many structured extracurriculars, but I know that he can manage his time quite well, and with some good luck and patience, I believe his mother will see that WoW isn't a future-killer, but just an enjoyable way to spend free time when you have it. Just show her you have it.
hamiltonerics Sep 3rd 2007 9:30AM
Another story:
One of my old guildmates, and one of my better known in-game friends, Valamere, was a 60 druid in my guild Druids of a Crimson Fang on Smolderthorn. It was an all druid guild, and my first really social experience in WoW, with my first real main. I didn't meet Vala for a while, because I was still leveling and then she disappeared. But right when TBC was coming out, she returned.
She had frozen her subscription for 8 months because she was studying for an exam in grad school, to stay in grad school. But she came back, and actively raids and is still in grad school.
Another old guildmate balanced grad school and a full time job as a system admin, and played WoW every day.
Squirrel007 Sep 3rd 2007 9:52AM
When it comes to your computer and school, listen to your mom. I am 14 and am only allowed 1 hour on the computer before my homework is done, and 1 hour after.
Sylythn Sep 3rd 2007 10:33AM
We recently had to watch as a really good young hunter told us he wouldn't be able to raid with us anymore now that school was starting. As much as we all wanted to say "nooo....come back", we realize where his parents were coming from and agreed with them. WoW did have an effect on his grades, and if that's happening it's time to step back and reassess the priorities. But if you're able to balance the two, get to bed at a reasonable hour (which might be the problem), and not let the other responsibilities slip - then there's no reason WoW should be different than reading a book, watching tv, or doing anything else you would to pass the time during the week.
Iap Sep 3rd 2007 10:24AM
Go farm sum more mother rep first so u can get ur hands on epic playing privileges.
potatowedge Sep 3rd 2007 10:36AM
*takes notes*
With nineteen hours this semester, this was a great article for me. Now I just have to figure out where leveling that hunter for machinima purposes falls ... hmmm.
Seriously, though, great timing on the article. Robin, you probably saved my Phi Theta Kappa membership.
len Sep 3rd 2007 10:46AM
Meh, you're mom sounds like a reactionary, not too far from those ZOMG D&D is Satanism! parents we had back in the 80s. She probably won't listen to reason. I suggest guilt. Emphasize how most players are well-adjusted adults with successful careers, and how they consider you mature enough to roll with them, and how she's letting everyone down, you and the guild, by taking the game away from you.
Unless your guild are jerks, and actually have a problem with a 15-year-old having a bedtime, it isn't unreasonable swap out younger players if the raid goes on too long. My guild does it all the time. Half of it have kids of their own, some even play, so they understand, and there's no shortage of replacements. (Usually some poor working schmuck like me who misses the raid start due to traffic.)
And if your guild are jerks about it, lose them. They're probably not far from what you're mom is afraid of.
But at the risk of sounding like your mom, you don't want to raid three nights a week. Seriously. This game is every bit a waste of time as television, its accomplishments mean absolutely nothing in the real world. The value is in the social interaction and teamwork that goes into playing it, but you don't need to sacrifice nearly half your evenings to advance in the game or get the benefits of playing it. Even if you can manage it without any detriment to school, you don't want to. Trust me. Excel in tennis, or do something creative. You can even do things WoW-related, like make machina videos or learn to program video games.
This game is engineered to use up time, so that most people won't beat it before the next expansion. Strange as it may seem, right now your time is far more valuable than it will be when you're older. Don't squander it! Do as much as you can, learn as much as you can. Don't make the same mistakes I did.... *fades away*
Fletch Sep 3rd 2007 10:58AM
What sort of world do we live in where people can have a 4.1 GPA?