Polls arrive at WoW forums
Forum-goers have been requesting polls for a while now, with posts such as, "It's time to start POLLING your playerbase," which actually argued that Blizzard should set up in-game polling stations to ask about whether or not players really want various new features in the game. Nethaera responded to this particular post right away; her basic point was to say that "Polls can be incredibly inaccurate" -- they're fun, but there are actually a wide variety of methods that need to be used in order to get proper feedback. Furthermore, just because the popular voice thinks that the game should move in one direction, that doesn't actually mean that would be the best direction for the game to move in. The developers need to make decisions with feedback in mind, but also balanced against the hard, cold core of the reality they're facing, not the dreamland that players may have in mind. That said, apparently there are lots of player suggestions that have been put into the game, including even flight path changes and new graveyards.
But Blizzard wants to give us polls anyway! As Drysc tells the American forum-goers:
I like this particular use of polls. Having grown up with tons and tons presidential election polls every four years, trying to accurately predict who would win and never really knowing at all, it's refreshing to see a company implement them not to get an actual result, but to have a good time and encourage discussion about interesting topics. People just love pressing little "VOTE" buttons, even about arbitrary and useless questions, and when you're drawing all those eyeballs, people might actually stop to discuss the questions involved as well.
One telling note from the first poll, however, is that while most of the people who voted chose "yes," most of the people who actually wrote a response chose "no." What does this tell us? Perhaps that most people just go with what their guts tell them without really stopping to think?
Edit: What this tells us is that I'm not really sure what this tells us. Reading the "proofs" in the comments below leaves me all confused about the right answer to the question, and either way I don't see how it makes a difference in real life. I still love the question though! Personally I voted "Huh?" on the poll before writing this post. What does that tell ya? Maybe all polls are just another way of going, "huh... I wonder," without ever getting a conclusive answer -- and some people like that sort of thing.
But Blizzard wants to give us polls anyway! As Drysc tells the American forum-goers:
Welcome to our first test of the World of Warcraft polling system! With this new poll system we'll be able to pick the collective brains of the forum goers, and encourage discussion based on the questions they pose. While we're pretty sure that they won't always be accurate, it will hopefully still be a lot of fun. With our first poll we're asking you, the poster, the controversial and highly debated, discussed, and argued question:
Does .999~ = 1?
While we already have some great poll questions all lined up, we need more! Offer us your best questions for future polls. These can be yes/no or multiple choice, and if we like it, you may just find your poll up here in the weeks and months ahead.
I like this particular use of polls. Having grown up with tons and tons presidential election polls every four years, trying to accurately predict who would win and never really knowing at all, it's refreshing to see a company implement them not to get an actual result, but to have a good time and encourage discussion about interesting topics. People just love pressing little "VOTE" buttons, even about arbitrary and useless questions, and when you're drawing all those eyeballs, people might actually stop to discuss the questions involved as well.
One telling note from the first poll, however, is that while most of the people who voted chose "yes," most of the people who actually wrote a response chose "no." What does this tell us? Perhaps that most people just go with what their guts tell them without really stopping to think?
Edit: What this tells us is that I'm not really sure what this tells us. Reading the "proofs" in the comments below leaves me all confused about the right answer to the question, and either way I don't see how it makes a difference in real life. I still love the question though! Personally I voted "Huh?" on the poll before writing this post. What does that tell ya? Maybe all polls are just another way of going, "huh... I wonder," without ever getting a conclusive answer -- and some people like that sort of thing.
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Fraufrau Oct 5th 2007 1:16PM
It shouldnt be about polling people what they should do is survey people. There is quite a difference between the two and their ability to tell you what ur customers want and respond to.
If Blizzard do survey players I have never seen/heard/read anything about such activities or the results from them. As far as I know all of their feedback comes from the forums and the comments from PTRs.
It can be argued that the PTR comment are some sort of survey but in reality theyre more of an open ended poll.
Shalmaneser Oct 5th 2007 1:26PM
"One telling note from the first poll, however, is that while most of the people who voted chose "yes," most of the people who actually wrote a response chose "no." What does this tell us? Perhaps that most people just go with what their guts tell them without really stopping to think?"
Except yes is definitively the correct answer, I'm not going into it look it up. What's is disturbing is that such a high percent are are wrong on something that has a definitive answer. Also the idea that you think from looking at it that those who are actually correct are not thinking is interesting.
Girl Meets WoW Oct 5th 2007 2:18PM
"...while most of the people who voted chose "yes," most of the people who actually wrote a response chose "no." What does this tell us?"
Don't trust the collective intelligence of posters on the WoW boards, I'd say. Except I think we knew that already.
Ahoni Oct 5th 2007 1:32PM
Polls and surveys are meaningless.
Lies. Damned Lies. Statistics.
You can make stats say anything you want them to. You can do the same with a survey or poll. Often, its more revealing to know what was the motivation behind the survey/poll.
Fraufrau Oct 5th 2007 1:43PM
@3
yes people can make stats up to support a argument or whatever but that doesn't mean that well designed and implemented surveys are useless.
They are in fact very useful and powerful research tools used by professionals everyday. I mean think about it... what is the best way to find out what your consumers want? Ask them!
It is a very obvious solution and if you know how to ask questions to be clear and concise you can find out a large amount of information, useful information.
Garthnak Oct 5th 2007 1:46PM
I suppose this particular poll is telling evidence that at least 1/3 of WoW players (or at least, European WoW forum readers) are morons.
MightyIdle Oct 5th 2007 1:52PM
@5
That ratio seems to be a bit low based on experience. Further proof that polls are totally inaccurate.
Coherent Oct 5th 2007 2:01PM
If .999~ implies an infinite number of 9's, then of course it equals 1. Duh.
Fraufrau Oct 5th 2007 2:06PM
if you want to get OCD about the question... it doesn't equal one it is o.999~ however if they wrote the question in a more specific way then there would have been less ambiguity:
'Does 0.999~ round to 1?
Would most probably invoked a more reliable response. This 'poll' is an example of manipulating the masses. We see politicians do it all the time. They have deliberately asked a ambiguous question in order to provide a less than confident response, thus supporting their argument that polls will tell them little to nothing.
Again, considering the resources available to Blizzard and the fact that the WoW community is so easily accessible via the internet - surveys could be set up online and receive a very high participation rate.
Tony Vila Oct 5th 2007 2:13PM
This really scares me. Not that so many people are wrong, but how strongly they advocate their wrong answer and assume the correct answer is only because of retardation.
Of course .999~ equals 1.
Suppose .999~ = x
10 times X = 9.999~
9 times 1 = 9
10 times X - 9 times 1 = .999~ = X
10 times X - 9 times X = X (obviously)
so, 9 times X = 9 times 1
X=1
Sohanstag Oct 5th 2007 2:13PM
I think the first few responses to this post support the point I was going to make...
In my experience the saying "the squeaky wheel gets the oil" is most definitely true and nowhere do people squeak more often or more loudly than through the anonymity of the internet. Some good suggestions come through the forums. Lots of bad ones are screamed loudly and often from the forums by "hardcore" players with a "hardcore" brain cell deficit. Even fairly reasonable people often fail to see the potentially disastrous consequences of seemingly simple actions. (For evidence of this phenomenon, look no further than our government in the US.) Bliz knows what they're doing, mostly, and I'm happy with WoW. I don't want the forums voting on my play experience. BLECH!
Queuetip Oct 5th 2007 2:13PM
There's a simple proof for it:
Assume
x = .999~
multiply both sides by 10
10x = 9.999~
subtract x from both sides
10x - x = 9.999~ - x
or
9x = 9.999~ - x
since x = .999~, substite it on the right side
9x = 9.999~ - .999~
or
9x = 9
so x = 1
therefore 1 = .999~
Fraufrau Oct 5th 2007 2:28PM
try some more maths... does 1-0.999~ = 0? no it equals that infinitely small difference between the two numbers.
Why? Because the '~' means a recurring number, it means that number will forever fall short of 1, if only by the smallest of imaginable numbers, it still is short of 1.
So with that in mind there is no mathematical way you can say 0.999~=1 it will only come as close to one as mathematically possible, but never to equal it.
Garthnak Oct 5th 2007 2:32PM
@11
Don't bother. I've had this stupid argument before - the response (if it's not just blustering about how you're playing "tricks") will simply be that 10 * .9999~ is not equal to 9.999~, but "9.999~0". Which, of course, is not a number - since you can not have a zero at the end of *infinite* nines - but there is no arguing with these fools. They would rather call into question the entire system of mathematics than admit that they don't understand recurring decimal notation.
Garthnak Oct 5th 2007 2:41PM
@13
There are no infinitesimals in recurring decimal notation. As a part of the definition of decimal numbers, they are infinitely divisible - so, since there is no "middle number" you can point to between ".999~" and "1", they are *by definition* the same number.
This is not up for debate. This is a matter of mathematic fact, as established in literature. If you want to create some *other* system of notation in which ".999..." is NOT equal to "1", then by all means do so - but you will not be using the system that the entirety of the rest of the world is primarily occupied with, and it will not be meaningful for you to communicate with us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999...
Fraufrau Oct 5th 2007 2:54PM
@15
Yes, I stand corrected - clearly my basic high school understanding of maths is insufficient to have fully understood what is on the surface a mathematical paradox, but with better understanding just not the case.
However, we have all digressed from the real purpose of the article, Blizzard's implementation and choice of first poll question... that being a ambiguous and somewhat misleading question.
I reiterate my suggestions that well constructed surveys with appropriate implementation would yield useful information to Blizzard. But I believe 9million subscribers has given them a arrogance which will only be matched by a greater fall from grace.
In a couple of years many will talk about WoW like people do for other MMORPGs that predated it.