Breakfast Topic: Yeah, what Eyonix said
by Amanda Rivera 
Oct 21st 2007 at 8:00AM
The other day Mike wrote about how he considers the Headless Horseman event to be too easy, how giving away epic gear equivalent to those found in Heroics somehow cheapens the epics others have to earn. Evidently he's not the only one with that concern. Posters on the forums were complaining about this very issue, and Eyonix had this to say in reply:
Players have a chance to participate in a fun holiday event and get a nice ring (or helmet) two weeks out of the entire year. The drops are great items, and upgrades for many, but they are certainly far from the best in-game. I'm sorry but this event doesn't undermine anything you've accomplished. Are you sure your complaint doesn't stem from the fact that your epic raid loot makes you feel like you're better than others who have lesser gear?
I'm not accusing, just asking.
He makes a valid point, that Eyonix. While some of the gear from the Headless Horseman encounter is very good, this is something that happens for only two weeks out of the year. Much like the epic loot dropped from bosses for a limited time last year (I can recall a faboo belt I got off a Lich in undead Stratholme) during the fall, these items are only available for a limited time, so act now! Really I see it as a great way to gear up those that can't run Heroics, and currently I think this is the best holiday event we've had. The items are good, but are they so good that they're worth making a fuss over?
Players have a chance to participate in a fun holiday event and get a nice ring (or helmet) two weeks out of the entire year. The drops are great items, and upgrades for many, but they are certainly far from the best in-game. I'm sorry but this event doesn't undermine anything you've accomplished. Are you sure your complaint doesn't stem from the fact that your epic raid loot makes you feel like you're better than others who have lesser gear?
I'm not accusing, just asking.
He makes a valid point, that Eyonix. While some of the gear from the Headless Horseman encounter is very good, this is something that happens for only two weeks out of the year. Much like the epic loot dropped from bosses for a limited time last year (I can recall a faboo belt I got off a Lich in undead Stratholme) during the fall, these items are only available for a limited time, so act now! Really I see it as a great way to gear up those that can't run Heroics, and currently I think this is the best holiday event we've had. The items are good, but are they so good that they're worth making a fuss over?
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Elarius Oct 21st 2007 8:30AM
I got to say, its becoming a habit for ppl to whine about anything towards at blizz which is a shame since i also think its a fun event with *ok* rewards. Ppl always have to try and prove their point even if its very wrong at times. I love the event even that i have started BT/MH with my guild, its something fun on the side.
DaddySpaz Oct 21st 2007 8:43AM
It's odd how people suddenly whine about the HH loot while other, far better "easy-to-get" epics been around for ages. Take proffesion-plate gear for example. I got my Engineering epix googles way before i even started with Heroics Dungeons and they whip the Teir 5 helmet any day of the week.
Whine logicly, nubbs ^^
Sirg Oct 21st 2007 8:46AM
Stop complaining... it is a game, not a multi layer marketing system with ranks, who has the most money attitude!
It should be fun, and it is - this game is constantly growing and improving, and if it took months for others to get some epic, that is not the reason not to give something similar one time each year! Who cares how you get your loot? ppl should try to have fun, and not to compare with what other player has or had aquired through 300+ days of played..
Epic loot isn't any acomplishment at all... it is a game with toy money and toy items - an acomplished player is one that had lots of fun during his or hers play time... that's all.
Regis Oct 21st 2007 8:58AM
The rings are a nice reward for such a easy encounter, maybe even too nice. I mean, I have trouble comparing the Headless Horseman encounter to getting 25 badges for the Band of Halos ring.
And the helmet is a entirely different question. A guildie is using the Thundering Greathelm from Magtheridon, and have been running Headless Horseman like +50 times to get the helmet from him. It's a UPGRADE for a helmet from MAGTHERIDON for heavens sake!
Low droprate or not, this entire event stinks of PR to give non raiders same stuff as raiders.
MechChef Oct 21st 2007 9:14AM
Oh please, if you're a warrior you have the opportunity to receive 2 somewhat useful epic pieces. Everyone else can get a ring. A piece or two isn't going to convert a ho-hum character into a godlike killing machine. I'm a rogue and I farmed for the melee ring. Decent stats, but I'll continue to raid with my current raiding gear. I dropped the ring into my PVP set.
Blizz wants to throw a bone to non-raiders out there, so just get over it.
plixer Oct 21st 2007 9:16AM
but its just one helmet, and some rings.
its not a whole fucking set of armor.
Argent Oct 21st 2007 9:39AM
given how ho-hum magtheridon is these days, i kinda gotta wonder if doing HH 50+ times isn't the greater effort here...
swatltlen Oct 21st 2007 10:09AM
Oh God help anyone that designs content designed to be fun for a larger player base than just hardcore raiders. I mean, how dare you sir, design an encounter thats entertaining, has FUN loot tables, and a ring or helm for every class.
spamcatcher Oct 21st 2007 10:57AM
/cheer Eyonix
Millions were thinking it, he just said it.
Jack Kelly Oct 21st 2007 10:59AM
Isn't envy and greed the driving force behind much of this game?
$500+ for a spectral tiger on Ebay (yes, it STILL goes for that much months after release).
I see it every day. I'm grinding in Nagrand and someone with the helm, a squashling, and a broom stops nearby and just hangs out.
They obviously aren't marveling at my farming ability. They want me to see them and their new toys. When I simply ignore them,they move on.
It's the same thing as someone cruising down the street in a Ferrari. They just want a bit of recognition and attention.
Why should WoW be any different?
LostOne Oct 21st 2007 11:07AM
I don't care about the drop rate of the epics for the Headless Horseman. My thinking on it was the same as Eyeonix. It's nice, it is far from Tiered raiding epix.
My gripe is the extremely low drop rate on the Sinister Squashling. There's only two weeks to attempt to get one, I've killed the horseman in groups at least 40 times and I haven't even seen it drop once. Everyone who didn't care about that pet probably got everything they wanted from the horseman the first night. Everyone still doing it is only there for the pet, and if it does drop I fully expect at least 2 people in the party to try to ninja loot it.
Alysandir Oct 21st 2007 11:29AM
Yeaaaah, like running the first three bosses in Heroic Mech isn't an easy way to earn three badges in roughly an hour. Lather, rinse, repeat. Soon, Attumen, Moroes, and all the other early Kara bosses will drop badges; they're not easy encounters, oh no.
So God forbid we have a relatively easy encounter that drops badge equivalent gear...that just breaks the entire system. Oh noes!
Seriously...this is just more proof that people will QQ about *anything*
Duncan Oct 21st 2007 11:29AM
What is comes down to is this. (and Ive played this game since open beta). Players that Raid (most of them not all) think because they play 50+ hours a week they are intitled to something, that the so called casual players are not. Non of these items from HH are going to replace anything you get from 25 man raids. If that happens then you have a valid complaint. Yes the rings and the helm are nice. but its only a ring and a helm. Not a full set of t6 gear. so please stop.
And BTW ~ Having more time to play a game doesn't make you a better player
lilleas Oct 21st 2007 11:34AM
this post is full of win!! eyonix rocks and what he said in that two line post was what everyone including myself has been thinking for ages.. somehow people will not be grateful for stuff and just complain.. don't like it? don't play.. and get over yourself
IKT Oct 21st 2007 12:07PM
"And BTW ~ Having more time to play a game doesn't make you a better player" - funnily enough with wow it does.
LostOne Oct 21st 2007 12:12PM
@15
No, it just makes you a better geared player. A bad player in Tier 4 could still get easily pwnd by a player in greens that knows how to play his class well.
Draka24 Oct 21st 2007 12:14PM
I'm a raider, and in my opinion this event doesn't undermine anything. It's a lot of fun and gives other people a chance for some half decent gear. People just need to relax and have some fun rather than worry that the general populace might be as well geared as they are.
If you raid for gear, rather than just for the fun of defeating the bosses, you should re-evaluate why you play this game.
Sohanstag Oct 21st 2007 12:24PM
Sounds like we have a consensus. I got the ring drop and...I guess I'm going to prob'ly destroy it since it doesn't vend. It's not as good as basic gear from Kara. So what's all the fuss? Or is there any fuss? I dunno. I don't venture into the forums purely because of the whining. Let sites like this one filter out the good stuff, I say! Thanks, WoW Insider! :)
IKT Oct 21st 2007 12:34PM
@16 right.. but a bad player in tier 6 would beat a player in greens even if she/he just mashed his/her head against the keyboard. Not to mention thanks to the repetitiveness of wow, the more you play, the more you understand the games mechanics, thus the more you play wow, the better you are.
There may be exceptions but from what I've seen, the more casual a person is, the worse they are.
kerrizor Oct 21st 2007 1:03PM
@4
Low droprate or not, this entire event stinks of PR to give non raiders same stuff as raiders.
I've never seen the harm of giving the "non-raiders" gear that the "raiders" have.
I mean, srsly? that's your problem?