The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Plate

The Care and Feeding of Warriors is being written right now on about 2 hours of sleep because Matthew Rossi has discovered the joy of introducing a new cat into a home that already has one. Oh, it's delightful, let me tell you, to listen to the high pitched shrieks of welcome and to constantly have to take part in the ritual greeting of cats, which apparently is where Blizzard got the idea for the Rogue class' Blade Flurry ability. Seriously, you haven't lived until your arms have been covered in scratches while two cats beat each other up like it's Marvin Hagler weekend and Sugar Ray Leonard just crashed it.
What defines the warrior class?
Is it poorly made PvP videos of big mortal strike crits with loud nu metal playing in the background? You know the ones, that conveniently edit out all the times you spend running away death coiled or the twenty seconds you spent as a sheep while your healer discovered a whole new and very painful definition of 'two for the price of one'. No, any class can make a bad video.
Is it big weapons? Sword and board? Good fury DPS? Let's look at this another way. What's the first thing other people complain about when they think of warriors?
"You shouldn't be able to do that and wear plate."
Even though paladins wear it too, and I'm sure they have to put up with their own version of the lament, since this is the column about warriors I'm going to discuss it from our side. Plate. It's what we get at level 40 that sets us apart from rogues, enhancement shamans, druids, not to mention those guys in dresses. Plate is where our high armor scores come from. Plate is one of the signature elements of the class.
Plate really is good for one thing, ultimately, and that's PvE damage mitigation on melee mobs. Combined with a shield it can allow a warrior to take more of a beating than anyone except a druid or paladin, but in PvP the high armor rating is much less useful against anyone, between armor penetration abilities like Expose Armor or Faerie Fire and the fact that unless you've decided to stack resistance gear, you're more or less naked to a caster. (And if you do PvP in resist gear, I admire your willingness to try and kill a warlock with 800 AP, if not your common sense.) The fact that Season Three of Arena gear seems to be stacking on the armor penetration as well means that any possibility of armor inflation is being kept to a minimum there as well.
Plate is hardly the super-armor some folks think it is. If you're interested in exactly how armor rating works (well beyond the scope of this post) you can check out the ratings Blizzard is using now at WoWWiki to get an idea of how armor caps out. Essentially, the most physical damage reduction you can get from armor is 75%, which is a problem more for druids than warriors since druids hit the cap a lot faster. Yes, I'm telling you that druids have higher armor than warriors despite the fact that warriors wear plate. If you don't believe me, feel free to go to the druid forums and ask them.
There's not a DPS warrior in the game who hasn't worn mail or even leather in his time. The first DPSer I ever knew as a warrior was a gnome on Azjol-Nerub, back in the day when you could take an entire 40 man raid group through Blackrock Depths and into Molten Core via the portal there. He was a gnome in a mix of leather and mail because there just wasn't much better for him back then. Back when AQ40 and Naxx were the big time, I wore Scaled Sand Reaver Leggings forever because there just wasn't anything else dropping for me at the time. Thankfully, there are more DPS options for plate nowadays.
DPS plate generally has lower armor than equivalent tanking plate. For an example, here are two blue gloves to consider, the Felsteel vs. the Ragesteel. The Felsteel's are item level 114 while the Ragesteel's are item level 115, making them roughly equivalent. As you can see, the Felsteel's are designed for tanking with higher armor, defense, some stam and customization options via their sockets. The Ragesteel, on the other hand, are a pure DPS piece and have inferior armor (admittedly still higher than mail or leather) and stats aimed at increasing your damage output. For comparison, we'll look at the High Warlord's Plate Gauntlets, also at item level 115. Since these are PvP gloves, they appear as a mixture of the two, with stamina slightly superior to the Felsteel but without the socket customization options or armor and DPS inferior to the Ragesteel but with the resilience and stamina helpful to staying alive longer to make use of that damage.
One of the big mistakes a lot of warriors make when they hit 40 is training up plate and immediately hitting the auction house and buying armor for every slot, replacing often superior blues they have from crafting and instancing just because those items are mail. Don't make that mistake - wait to switch your mail out until you actually have an upgrade to go into that slot. This is especially true if you've been farming SM for the mail Herod drops or the gloves from Mograine - don't be quick to toss those aside for inferior greens just because they're plate greens.
Now that I've gone on and on about some of the negative aspects of plate, it's time to admit the positives. First off, it is the highest armor you can get if you can't turn into a bear. Higher armor generally means you can grind faster since you take less damage from your average non-caster mob. Plate, it also must be admitted, looks pretty awesome most of the time. I mean, take a look at this, or this or even this from the old Naxx days which really needs to come back into the game somehow. Also, there's a heck of a lot of well itemized plate out for whatever you want to do, be it tanking, PvP or PvE DPS. And the only people you'll have to roll against for it or outbid are other warriors and paladins.
Okay, since it would be mean to talk this much about plate and not list a few pieces, here's some stuff you should be looking for as you hit 40 and want to start trading up. Keep in mind that a lot of this gear is improved in 2.3, and Wowhead's already showing you the new stats so be sure you don't go farming for a piece you'll outgrow before it updates.
Carapace of Tuten'kash - drops in Razorfen Downs. This is a really good chestplate for a new 40, it has a good mix of stats although the armor's kind of low (compare it to a level 31 crafted blue, the Green Iron Hauberk) and you can farm it easily if you're of a mind to as the boss that drops it is not that far into the run.
Horned Viking Helmet (Horde Only) - drops in Uldaman. Eric the Swift, the mob who drops this hat, is friendly to Alliance so many of us miss out on this sweet level 40 hat with a very nice use ability as well as good stats. I'm still not sure it's worth trading in the Raging Berserker's Helm from SM for it, though.
Icemetal Barbute - drops in Razorfen Downs. Ammenar the Coldbringer drops this hat, with good stats for DPS or tanking (although as many comments indicate, the Raging Berserker's is still better from a pure DPS standpoint) so if you're there for the chestplate anyway, might as well try and grab this.
Plated Fist of Hakoo - World Drop BoE. Good stats for a newly 40 warrior who doesn't know yet if he's going DPS or tank or wants to do both.
Skullplate Bracers - drops in Uldaman. Several mobs there drop these nice bracers which are about to get nicer in 2.3.
Obsidian Greaves - World Drop BoE. My first warrior to 40 had these in the bank when another set dropped while he was farming for mount money. It was a nice surprise. Decent blue boots you can pick up at the AH and which have a nice spread of stats for DPS or tanking at that level.
Enormous Ogre Belt - World Drop BoE. Outside of running Arathi Basin this is probably the best belt you're likely to get at 40. I'm surprised the spirit hasn't been taken off of it yet, but as it's BoE they might well miss it. It's still worth picking up if you can get it affordably.
Golem Shard Leggings - World Drop BoE. If you're level 41 and are looking for tanking blues or slightly more AP than the Scarlet Leggings off of Herod and Mograine, then these are basically your option. I don't know if the 4 AP you'd get over the Scarlet Leggings is worth the 10 stamina you'd lose if you're using them to DPS or PvP in.
Big Bad Pauldrons - drops in Zul'Farrak. The bad news is, you'll have to wait until level 45 to equip these. The good news is, they're getting a nice DPS buff in 2.3. If you can't get these you can pick up the Wyrmslayer Spaulders, a BoE shoulder set, from your local AH, but as of 2.3 the Big Bad's are purely better for DPS and can be worn a level earlier.
That should be enough talk about plate. Next week, I have no idea what I'm going to talk about. I guess we'll find out together.
Filed under: Warrior, Items, Analysis / Opinion, (Warrior) The Care and Feeding of Warriors






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Cooler Oct 26th 2007 1:42PM
WTF? Is this even a serious post? Plate is only good in pve?? Sure some classes can reduce the armor, but it doesnt only reduce warrior armor, it goes for any class.
This is why warriors are usually targeted last in arena, because they are one of the toughest to bring down from a physical damage class.
Matthew Rossi Oct 26th 2007 1:44PM
Yes, this is a serious post. No, plate isn't only good in PvE, it's simply not the awesome power you seem to think it is. The reason most PvPing warriors are hard to kill isn't their armor, it's their high health.
And warriors are incredibly easy for casters to take down, which is where plate doesn't help at all, which is what I said. Rogues have a slightly tougher time if for some reason they can't stun you to death. I don't know what that reason would be.
blitzkrieg999 Oct 26th 2007 1:47PM
Great advice on pre-40s mail. A great example of superior mail is the Dual Reinforced Leggings from the Rig Wars/Grand Betrayal quest. Both of my warriors held on to them until at least lvl42, as they were easy to get and better than most of the stuff available at 40!
griffdog Oct 26th 2007 1:57PM
Try being a hunter and then tell me that Plate doesn't help in PvP. Srsly. It is ridiculous that War's can match Rogue damage and still get plate.
Matthew Rossi Oct 26th 2007 2:02PM
Try being a warrior in PvP and then tell me how plate makes such a huge difference. It's ridiculous that hunters get rogue/mage levels of damage, a pet with 6000 health, and mail.
See what I did there?
Cooler Oct 26th 2007 2:11PM
You just contradicted your post saying plate was good for only one thing.
"Plate really is good for one thing, ultimately, and that's PvE damage mitigation on melee mobs."
"No, plate isn't only good in PvE"
Being a physical damage class myself, plate makes a BIG difference in arena. Yes the high health of a warrior helps too, but that isnt what causes my hits to do 200-300 less damage to a warrior. Talk to any arena hunter or rogue (I don't know many enhancement shamans/feral druids/ret pallies etc. that arena so I cannot speak for them)
hpavc Oct 26th 2007 2:17PM
This article shows a total lack of understanding, nothing even about effective health. Which would tell you if a green plate item with a pile of armour on it was better than your mail blue with yummy stats.
When you hit 40 and equip all the items you gathered in the AH and your friend crafted for you and your armour more than doubles (a lot of those crafted are also +stam). Forgetting that you effective health just ramped up seems tragic.
griffdog Oct 26th 2007 2:21PM
"Try being a warrior in PvP and then tell me how plate makes such a huge difference. It's ridiculous that hunters get rogue/mage levels of damage, a pet with 6000 health, and mail.
See what I did there?"
Yes, I do. You made a fallacious statement. If you truly think that a hunter does rogue/mage levels of damage, then you aren't paying attention.
Try being a warrior in PvP? Oh...you mean the class that is most represented in the top 100 arena teams across all servers? Yea...that's got to be really tough...
Matthew Rossi Oct 26th 2007 2:19PM
If by contradicted you mean I had more respect for your ability to understand a rhetorical flourish, then yes, I suppose that's so.
Very well. Higher armor is good in PvP against rogues, hunters and other warriors, sometimes paladins who don't use a lot of holy damage. It mitigates some of an enhancement shaman's damage although not his shocks. It also reduces the amount of damage a feral druid can do. None of these reductions keeps any of these classes from killing a warrior, especially when they all have ways to bypass or ignore armor as well as render the warrior unable to do much to them, namely stuns, pets, traps, and in some cases various kinds of magical damage that completely ignore armor.
Against a caster of any kind, plate is useless.
Nati Oct 26th 2007 2:21PM
Sorry Matthew, you're way off base here. Tell you what - get on your warrior and try to gather some leather gear with equivalent offensive stats as the plate you're wearing, then go ahead and do some PvPing. ;)
The difference between cloth and plate in PvP is enormous - even the difference between mail and plate is huge.
Matthew Rossi Oct 26th 2007 2:21PM
hpvac, that was the whole point of telling people NOT to switch out of mail as soon as they could. Many mail items have far superior stats (not just health, either) than the plate you'll be picking up at 40. Was that not clear?
Matthew Rossi Oct 26th 2007 2:26PM
Okay, griff, as soon as 2.3 comes out and you have a ranged mortal strike and no deadzone, if hunters don't move way up in arena representation I'll eat my hat.
Also, I hate to break it to everyone, but arena? It's not the entire game. Warriors actually PvP before level 70. And when they go to arenas, why are they there? Are they there for their rogue level DPS that comes from the fury tree? Or are they there for a mixed 31/30 build that allows them to apply an MS debuff?
I mean, no one's bringing warriors to PvP just because of their high armor. If you want to complain that Mortal Strike is too powerful, go for it, I'd be amused to see it get nerfed just as hunters get it. But I don't think that has much to do with plate.
Francisco Saavedra Oct 26th 2007 2:27PM
woot! just what i needed, since i'm about to hit 40... i spent a few hours in Arathi Basin yesterday, and got enough marks and honor for the boots and belt, so that's two less pieces to worry about...
Thontose Oct 26th 2007 2:36PM
Boo! Hiss! Catcalls and various insults to peoples understanding of game mechanics!
Know what? Props to Matthew for taking the time to try and understand the diffrences between verious types of gear, as well as compiling a list and bothering to compare the various things that made them worth mantion. And for having the Cashews to answer people without kid gloves.
griffdog Oct 26th 2007 2:37PM
Arguing to wait until 2.3 is not pertinent to this conversation. We are discussing the current state of warriors and the contributions or lack thereof of plate.
Warriors are beasts in Arenas. My shots that hit all other non plate wearing classes do aprox. 200-300 damage less to a class that has the second highest health in the game. At least bears are gimped with the damage they can do, war's aren't.
Arguing that Arenas aren't everything with PvP is a moot point. As far as Blizzard is concerned, it is. If they felt that world pvp and BG's were the equivilent to arenas, then they would give equivalent rewards. They don't. They see Arenas as the pinnacle of PvP and have stated so.
Go out and equip yourself with leather that has equal or better stats on it and then tell me how good you do in arenas...
Cooler Oct 26th 2007 2:45PM
A hunter's MS will have a 3 second cast and they have to be standing still, and can be easily interrupted. Very hard to reapply in a combat situation as well. It has a 5 yard minimum so as soon as you charge/intercept it will break the cast. They apply similar debuffs but are by far not the same in application.
I am really done with this conversation since I am pretty sure no one is going to argue that more armor is a bad thing in PVP. Warlocks are now even tougher to kill in arena with the leather merciless arena gear they have (not leather but has leather armor values)
Its noticible, and it helps. We could have the same argument for resist gear against casters. Physical dps is going to do less damage to plate than it is to cloth. That is a fact.
The argument isn't about comparing classes. You are changing the subject by doing so. It is about the fact that plate is good for more than just PVE vs melee as you stated in your post.
Khanmora Oct 26th 2007 2:46PM
Hey Matt,
This is a great write up. I'm leveling my second warrior now and I had those SM gloves for ohhh, about 15 levels :) I also play a paladin and I'm glad that you made the point about plate not being the end all be all that some people seem to think it is (especially healing plate, if mail has better stats i'll wear it instead since the armor is usually 100 pts or less difference).
On a side note, I had to integrate a new cat (2 yrs old) with our 3 older cats (8 yrs old) last year, I totally feel your pain!
Phantyk Oct 26th 2007 3:23PM
If all you readers bashing Matthew don't like what you read completely, go write your own dang article. All literature is biased. He attempted to convey his opinion, we should respect that and if we disagree, disagree in a respectful informative way.
J Oct 26th 2007 3:45PM
@18
They DID disagree in a respectful and informative way. They stated that he was wrong, then gave the multiple reasons why.
joerendous Oct 26th 2007 4:44PM
I give much props and respect to Matthew for standing his ground and defending his views. Although I might not agree with some points, it does open my eyes a bit more to them. Too often are there negative comments left on these blogs challenging/questioning the bloggers knowledge/intelligence/skill without any retort. I hope this is the new direction WI is going, because it's starting to feel as though the WoW forum trolls are migrating to this site en masse.