Patch 2.3: Twinks become gods
As you know, in patch 2.3, many of the previously ho-hum mid-level dungeon drops are set to actually become useful, worth the trip you make to go get them in the dungeon (in most cases). Overall, this is a blessing for players everywhere, either starting out with their first characters, or leveling up long-forgotten alts.
Twinks, however, are going to become a much greater nuisance than they were before. Some of their old items are going to be upgraded by default as the new patch comes in and the old items all around the world get replaced with the new.
New twinks, however, will have the privilege of setting their sights on the best of the best items for their particular class and level bracket, putting an even further distance between them and other players who just want to enjoy a bit of PvP as they level up. This is particularly true with new low-level epics such as the Deadman's Hand which, at level 29, seems designed to be the pet dream of twinks everywhere, regardless of race or class.
Does Blizzard intend to support twinking? And what's the whole point of twinking anyway?
A friend of mine once encouraged me to make a twink once, one of a series of mage and priest quadruplets that would run around destroying everything in Warsong Gulch. We all had a lot of fun figuring out the best items and gearing up for our battles, and while it was nice to get a small taste for power rush those people running around battlegrounds with the very best epics at level 70 must feel, the greatest fun for me came when my friends and I worked together against other teams with their own twinks, who tried their best to win against us and gave us a run for our money.
I always felt a bit sorry in cases where the Horde players felt so frustrated that they would just hide somewhere with the Alliance flag and try to drag out the match as long as possible without even trying to win. It was as if they felt so powerless against us that they had to lash out and annoy us somehow in order to have some kind of revenge.
My mage and her sisters have since leveled up, and are no longer very involved in twinky behavior. The experience left me with a feeling that, while I understand people's desire to be as powerful as possible, it's still better for everyone if people settle for whatever gear they can reasonably get at their level, perhaps stay at the highest level for their bracket until their rested XP is full, and then move on to the next bracket, leaving new champions of the field to come along and take their place.
If the battleground matching system actually worked all the time to keep levelers fighting levelers and twinks fighting twinks, then I would have no problem with it, but as it is, the existence of twinks, and now their further improvement with patch 2.3 tends to prevent people from enjoying the lower-level battlegrounds as much as they could.
Nonetheless, it's clear from Blizzard's comments that they don't intend to get rid of twinking altogether. As Drysc says:
Twinks, however, are going to become a much greater nuisance than they were before. Some of their old items are going to be upgraded by default as the new patch comes in and the old items all around the world get replaced with the new.
New twinks, however, will have the privilege of setting their sights on the best of the best items for their particular class and level bracket, putting an even further distance between them and other players who just want to enjoy a bit of PvP as they level up. This is particularly true with new low-level epics such as the Deadman's Hand which, at level 29, seems designed to be the pet dream of twinks everywhere, regardless of race or class.
Does Blizzard intend to support twinking? And what's the whole point of twinking anyway?
A friend of mine once encouraged me to make a twink once, one of a series of mage and priest quadruplets that would run around destroying everything in Warsong Gulch. We all had a lot of fun figuring out the best items and gearing up for our battles, and while it was nice to get a small taste for power rush those people running around battlegrounds with the very best epics at level 70 must feel, the greatest fun for me came when my friends and I worked together against other teams with their own twinks, who tried their best to win against us and gave us a run for our money.
I always felt a bit sorry in cases where the Horde players felt so frustrated that they would just hide somewhere with the Alliance flag and try to drag out the match as long as possible without even trying to win. It was as if they felt so powerless against us that they had to lash out and annoy us somehow in order to have some kind of revenge.
My mage and her sisters have since leveled up, and are no longer very involved in twinky behavior. The experience left me with a feeling that, while I understand people's desire to be as powerful as possible, it's still better for everyone if people settle for whatever gear they can reasonably get at their level, perhaps stay at the highest level for their bracket until their rested XP is full, and then move on to the next bracket, leaving new champions of the field to come along and take their place.
If the battleground matching system actually worked all the time to keep levelers fighting levelers and twinks fighting twinks, then I would have no problem with it, but as it is, the existence of twinks, and now their further improvement with patch 2.3 tends to prevent people from enjoying the lower-level battlegrounds as much as they could.
Nonetheless, it's clear from Blizzard's comments that they don't intend to get rid of twinking altogether. As Drysc says:
I think the biggest draw is that it's a unique challenge to build a character with a very specific constraint. You might find better balance or more simplistic enjoyment from limited abilities and talents. Finding the perfect item for a specific slot and figuring out how to get it while gaining the least amount of experience possible so as not to pass the level you're attempting to maintain. It's a different way to play the same game, and you can essentially reach the "most powerful your character can get" type of level without really needing to socialize.What do you think of twinks and the improvements they're getting in patch 2.3? Do you fear to ever enter the battlegrounds with an alt again, or do you find that twinks don't bother you as much as one might think?
There's obviously the sort of... I don't want to call it a god complex, but wanting to be powerful or invulnerable. I think as it's become more popular that's less of a draw, or maybe more of a deterrent at least, as you're more likely to face other twinks now than you may have before.
Some do legitimately like to face other twinks, it's similar to having premade characters, there's no real individuality of gear in most cases, and so it comes down to personal ability in playing the game. I don't think any of them would deny that they also enjoy killing a non-twink in a shot or two though.
It's a metagame of sorts, taking the rules and boundaries of the game and constricting them further to create a different and/or (usually) more challenging goal.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 4)
Marcelo Abans Oct 29th 2007 1:08AM
Can someone inform those who are 70 that twinking is nothing more than doing the same thing just at level 19. I don't get it quite honestly but whatever. If they are having fun at the place they are at who are any of us to tell them the "correct" way to play an already very enjoyable game..
Solex Oct 29th 2007 2:18AM
to quote MartinC "Hmm, I suppose level 70 players with Tier6 gear are also a "nuisance"? What should we do about them? "
Not a damn thing that's what. There's a huge difference between someone who's put in hours of time to raid and collect their gear and some tool who's never going to get there so they dump their money into some shit toon. It's literally like those women who parade their daughters around like hooker at beauty pageants. Mommy was a hag so she's going to dress Suzy up as pretty as she can to compensate for her shitty experience. Get better gear? Did you honestly say that? I'm trying to get 70 to do the raids, sorry if I don't have the twelve weeks to farm a crap set of lvl 17 shit for my lame NE hunter twink.
Alan Oct 29th 2007 3:52AM
The difference in going up against a lvl70 in raid gear is that at the level cap, you know you are going to have people in raid gear. and you have more options in acquiring good gear to enjoy pvp
at level 19, there aren't that many options. and the twinks that i know, have lvl70 guildies run them through the instances for gear, which is essentially cheating the game mechanics.
Wolfstalker Oct 29th 2007 4:14AM
"I guess the person would also be useless in the raid enviorment as well :-/ "OMG, we just wiped once, gotta call it a night""
Players stepping into a raid have had at least 3 months to learn, enjoy and become hooked on the game before going in and spending 4 hours wiping on Attumen.
Players in level 19 battlegrounds are often on trial accounts and playing their first ever toon.
Twinks drive those players away.
Rogaar Feb 25th 2009 1:05AM
I just lost 1 hour from my life to read this. At the end i was like "WTF why these ppl even bother to write".
Here is what you should know about the twinks:
1. less then 1% even start to make a twink without havin a main char at max level and full end-game gear.
2. I don't know about twink in 10-19 who spend less then 1000 gold making his char playable in wsg. Not to mention the other brackets.
3. Making a twink is not so easy as "they told you". Wanna try?
4. Blizzard support us because we pay as much as you do. The only reason is we play as we want and we don't need your opinion about "how we should enjoy the game"
5. Blizzard's are not stupid. They know a bit more about the true situation with the twinking and they know that going against that will result in mass account closing. (I myself will stop paying for my 2 accounts if they do something agains the twinks"
6. Posting something on this topic without having even slight idea what it is to have/make/gear a twink char is kinda stupid and only serves to prove nothing.
7. If you don't like to be killed in BG's dont enter. Or do something about your gear and skills. Or better, go play PVE server!
8. The entire game is based on progressing one character and moving it thru the different states and levels. Don't you ever think about that many players actually want to experience some of these layers a bit longer and in case they get more joy doing it to stay where they are? Who the hell sayd all characters should be max level and have all the fancy new armors?
9. As a conclusion about what i just sayd:
Players who have twinks pay just as much as you do, and even more as many of them have more then one legit account. While blizzard know this speculating about getting rid of twinks is only matter of filling such post with "empty sentences" for someone to lose his time to read it.
Game is made so the players can enjoy playing it. Noone should say how/what to do so i can get the max enjoyment of it.
Have a nice day,
Rogaar@Lightning's blade
19 TWINK :) / 80 shaman /80 rogue
MartinC Oct 29th 2007 5:56AM
LOL, #37 you just contradicted yourself in the same post. Too funny.
"There's a huge difference between someone who's PUT IN HOURS TO RAID and collect their gear..."
"...sorry if I don't have TWELVE WEEKS to farm a ... set of lvl 17..."
You want better gear, at any level? It takes time and effort. Simple as that.
Br_other Oct 29th 2007 6:00AM
Twinks? He-he. Let the low lvl players gain XP after Battleground matches.
sloppyjoe Oct 29th 2007 6:12AM
A lot of missinformed information here …
The change is good, nothing else can be said about that. 2.3 will bring normals closer to twinks because good gear with relevant stats will now drop in instances. As long as you're doing the odd instance run when you level you'll get good gear that you can use to compete.
Twinks on the other hand (full out twinks) aren't really getting that much of an upgrade in this patch. Most fully twinked chars get one-two new items they'd like (such as rugged spaulders for rogues/hunters at level 19) and that's it. Healer twinks get the same buff as every other healer in the game. I personally have my eyes set on new gloves and perhaps new wrists if I can convince someone to run me through RFC (I'm alliance). Other twinks have problems with XP and cannot get anything new etc.
The change is good, nothing else
Idocreating Oct 29th 2007 7:56AM
What those who say "Twinks ruin trial account players" fail to realise is, trial accounters like myself a year ago only PvPed in BG's at 20, which is the trial level cap.
You don't need to be a Twink to cream a 20 do ya?
Still, i upgraded to a normal account and levelled up, discovered the gear and made a very good 19 Rogue by the time i was level 36, she still has the Private rank to this day, something i'm rather proud of, though if i had gotten higher i could have paid 2g for the Insignia rather than smegloads of honor.
My advice? If Blizz REALLY didn't want twinks they would add a form of Experience to BG's. They haven't, so clearly they don't care about your whining. Just get on your 70, go PvP or Arena and kick my poor Prot Paladin's arse in AB as i try grind some marks for my mechnostrider.
EirieYuki Oct 29th 2007 8:51AM
Dear Twinks,
Being semi twink but no twink, I love killing every single one of you with skill and not just overpowering. I give you this fair warning, when I actually do have the resources to conjure a twink of my own, fear me!
In other sense, twinks are somewhat fun to play against, until you get a game where 3/4 of the alliance are twinks and you only manage to kill one of the 4 people attacking you. It does somewhat make you angry that you can't win any lower lvl bgs unless its early in the morning and everyone is sleeping except for the horde(Well its that way on my server anyway). But making twinks just that harder to kill is also making undergeared alts or mains to push on to higher lvl BGs and in a sense the higher lvl you get the twinks seem to not be as powerful (In my experiences anyway) sence you can get a hold of a lot of goodies yourself and a fairly decent price in the AH or running through an instance.
-EirieYuki
Steamweedle Cartel
MushG Oct 29th 2007 10:31AM
Why do the dedicated twinks here come jumping to the defence of twinking at the mere suggestion that it's unfair and unbalanced? Of course it is!
So you have enough time to spend weeks/months gearing up your level 19 to 'rule' WSG. Do you actually think everyone should do the same? Duh.
Get a grip before your already large egos start bleeding from your ears due to lack of space in your limited heads.
Buckshot Oct 29th 2007 11:11AM
29 twink is the most fun BG action other than 60 AV. I have a pair of guildies who hate pve and only play 29 twinks for hours a day. The BG's are designed for premades, and to have that #1 spot. Live with it.
Perrins Oct 29th 2007 11:14AM
FYI-
I have a lvl 19 twink hunter. Yeah he pwns at the battlegrounds, he is #1 98% of the time and it take 5 hordies to kill me. It’s a thrill seeing the whole bg group come after me bc they perceive me as the ultimate threat over all the other people there.
I also have a regular hunter im leveling. At lvl 22 I decided to run bg’s for fun one day. At lvl 22 I was #1 8 out of 10 times and I was always in the top 3. this hunter is not twinked just regular standard gear. I tried this again at 33 and once again similar results. I came in the top 4.
BG is about skill and talent. What twinks do is that if they don’t have the skill they have the raw power. But this proves that you don’t have to be a twink to enjoy bg and win, you just have to have talent. If you don’t have the talent and keep getting omgwtfbbqpenguinpwnd then soz man its not my fault. You suck at life reroll.
:)
Clem Oct 29th 2007 11:28AM
One more thing about Twinking: it’s not for the faint of heart.
A Twink has to master:
• Build
• Alchemy
• Engineering
• Gear
• Enchanting
• PVP
• Class
• Race
• Cooking
• First Aid
Competency in all of the above are required to be a real Twink.
Twinking is great for Casual Players as well. You can spend small amounts of time to build your Twink, and small amounts of time to run the BGs. No huge time investments required as in raiding (with the small chance you’ll get the drop you need).
Perrins Oct 29th 2007 10:06PM
@48
100% agree, twinks have to be masters at everything.
check my twink out.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Draenor&n=Verto
MechChef Oct 29th 2007 12:57PM
I have better things to do besides fellate myself by building a twink and bragging about it. If winning BG's was sex, twinking a toon is pillow-humping.
Furthermore, I see a lot of similarities between kids who put go-fast parts on their Honda Civic's. Sure they're fast...against other Hondas.
Tumble Oct 29th 2007 1:36PM
@42
You're absolutely right. Many current twinks who go after the new gear risk gaining a level and leaving their bracket. Meanwhile, the new gear will help toons just passing through BGs on their way to 70. 2.3 will bring greater balance to BGs, at least for a little while.
Nyttyn Nov 4th 2007 7:42AM
Die dam you fucktard twinks. I want to enjoy the fishing extravaganza!
andyjay220 Oct 29th 2007 9:16PM
You know, I really hate twinks, but I also disagree with making them obsolete, as those who created them have some compelling reasons for doing so (regardless of my beliefs about them). Solution? Let the free market decide! Simply make two options for each BG; one just like now that allows full on twinking, and another with relatively strict gear limits and such (one idea would be to set "max levels" on stats, and if twinks joined their stats could not exceed some maximum, but just something that doesn't allow twinks will work). I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the former option would be filled with players, and twinks would be waiting in queues forever, and ONLY playing other twinks. Once word got out, most non-twink players would opt for the option to fight more balanced matches. This solution is ideal because twinks are not banned in anyway (overall) and those who want to play BGs to gear up as they level can have a more enjoyable experience. If they decide they want to play against twinks, they can join the other queue. Who knows, maybe no one would use the non-twink BG, but at least we'd let the players decide what they want, and everyone can be happy (Bias alert: I would bet twinks will be pissed about my post, and any twink who disagrees with this idea can only be someone who wants to be ridiculously overpowered in BGs...and then you are a tool, so who cares).
Not sure how hard/easy this would be do implement, but something along these lines seems like the only sensible solution.
Matt Oct 30th 2007 1:22AM
Yet another troll bait post...
How is twinking at 70 any different then 19?