Two Bosses Enter: Teron Gorefiend vs. Gruul the Dragonkiller
by Elizabeth Harper 
Oct 28th 2007 at 6:00AM
- Shadow of Death: Turns the target into a ghost and spawns 4 Shadowy Constructs. However, for the purposes of our fight, we will assume Gruul is immune to such instant-kill abilities.
- Doom Blossom: Spawn and fire Shadowbolts at Teron's enemies. These last about two minutes and keep spawning as the fight continues.
- Crushing Shadows: Teron will randomly debuff one of his targets with Crushing Shadows, which increases Shadow damage taken for 15 seconds.
- Incinerate: A high damage fire-based DoT.
Gruul relies primarily on melee damage to bring down his enemies -- and that damage only gets worse as you fight him, for every 30 seconds, Gruul will buff himself with Growth and increase his damage by 15%. We're ignoring abilities that relate to the specific terrain of Gruul's lair, because we presume these fights take place in a neutral arena. However, Gruul still has a few tricks up his sleeve:
- Hurtful Strike hits the 2nd target on the threat list for a high amount of melee damage (12k to 13k). If there isn't a second target in melee range, Gruul will hit his primary target with Hurtful Strike. The damage increases with each Growth.
- Ground Slam: An AoE knockback.
- Gronn Lord's Grasp: After being knocked back by Ground Slam, players receive this debuff, which reduces movement speed by 20%. Stacks.
- Stoned: After 5 stacks of Gronn Lord's Grasp, the player will become stunned by Stoned.
- Shatter: After Stoning his targets, Gruul will Shatter them, dealing damage (more if players are close to one another.)
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
daniel Oct 28th 2007 6:24AM
gruul would kill him, 1 hit
chris Oct 28th 2007 6:28AM
I don't see how gruul could win this one.
Greg Oct 28th 2007 4:30PM
I see no possible way for Gruul to overcome Shadowbolts, Incinerate and Hard hits. Comparatively, Teron can hit just as hard as Gruul can in his early growths, however Gruul will be directing both his melee and Hurtful at Gorefiend.
I do believe that through an extensive fight, the Shadowbolt Clouds and the incinerate would stack and bring Gruul to his knees.
jappaex Oct 28th 2007 7:02AM
the people who say gruul would win have obviously never done gorefiend...
Ryan Kuba Aug 20th 2010 1:31AM
Their is no way Teron could win this, gruul would absolutely pwn him. Imagine for a second a shadow priest with no power word shields and no fear taking on a prot spec warrior with ultra high dps and silence abilities.
Sure Teron is harder to down as a raid boss, but when looking at 1v1, one can't ignore that you are pinning a caster that cannot mitigate damage against an uber tank.
Imagine a pvp situation with a druid tank that can silence vs a shadow priest that has lost his best ability, fear.
Case and point if you think that Teron Gorefiend would win then you need to pvp some more and actually see what kind of battle this really would be.
freyjasfire Oct 28th 2007 7:11AM
yes maybe gorefiend is a hard fight with 25 players but we are putting 2 bosses together, gruul keeps hitting harder, in this fight he doesnt oneshot you and you dont have the ghosts (SS anyone :) ) gruul's revbue will help with the dmg and stuns as well. just because he is in BT doesn make him win look at maggy vs the bug in aq40 :P think that they are both BT bosses if it helps you elties oh you dont know anything i am BT your not so i know it all.
my 2 cents
EmperorTuna Oct 28th 2007 7:13AM
@4, I think the point is, if you read it properly, that they would be equal in hitpoints etc.
I think if that were the case, Gruul would survive long enough for his growths to become ridiculously powerful. His shatter in this fight would be completely useless though.
matt Oct 28th 2007 7:16AM
@4 now now lets not get to elitist
Seraya Oct 28th 2007 8:01AM
Gruul, give him a few minutes and he'll squish Teron flat.
Smorisha Oct 28th 2007 8:10AM
Erm, I can't see how Gruul would win this. I agree that his phisical dmg done is huge but Teron hits like a train aswell. On top of that he will spawn many doom blossoms that keep attacking Gruul during Shatter process (during that time Teron will take ~4-6k dmg since noone else is around and thats really tinny since every shatter process takes around 15 seconds. Not to mention incinerate!
Lanth Oct 28th 2007 8:17AM
The Stoned/Shatter thingy from Gruul wouldn't affect Teron (he's the only one there) and Cave In would rarely hit Teron. That leaves the only good abilities of Gruul as Reverberation, Hurtful Strike and Growth. Teron would only have his Doom Blossom (shoots shadowbolts randomly at the raid), Incinerate and Crushing Shadows.
I reckon Gruul would win. Hateful strike is pretty powerful, and would take out Teron pretty quickly when combined with Growth, for Teron doesn't really have anything that can deal much major damage.
Gheed Oct 28th 2007 8:43AM
I'm assuming Gruul would fail when Gorefiend uses his shadow of death ability... Gruul lacks hand/eye coordination and would completely screw it up :P
Rabbit Oct 28th 2007 9:16AM
@5 What language is that?
Killah Oct 28th 2007 9:37AM
I'd say Gruul would kill Teron. I think his AoE damage done from Shattering will demolish Gorefiend's adds, neutralizing them making his opponent vulnerable to his Hurtful Strikes. Thinking that Teron will be both stunned and silenced, I can't really see how he's going to win this one.
(I haven't done Teron Gorefiend in the Black Temple yet, so I can't really be the judge of how hard he can be regardless, but I guess since they're both pretty equalized that Gruul will win this one.)
fishy Oct 28th 2007 9:38AM
Although Teron is much harder to beat in raid situation, I would agree that Gruul would most likely decide this matchup for himself, provided Teron can not use his Shadow of Death ability, thus one-shotting Gruul.
Gruul just dishes out to much physical damage for Teron to handle. While Shatter won't pose a thread to Teron, his ability to grow combined with those nasty Hurtfuls, also his silences can and will put Teron in a difficult spot.
I believe that Terons abilities won't stop Gruul from pounding him to pieces.
andregalan Oct 28th 2007 9:49AM
Gorefiend wipes raids because he damages many people including the tank too much to be healed. Gruul wipes raids because he one-shots the tank after X number of growths. Given that this is a one-on-one fight, all other things being equal, Gruul wins in a walk.
FinnStoney Oct 29th 2007 3:22PM
voted for gruul assuming:
1. gronn lords grasp/stoned/shatter effects all of teron's spawns. by the time gruul gets to a few growths and teron a few spawns, it'll be a mess and teron will go down like the clothie he is
2. also assuming teron is taking both the damages and the hurtful strikes. i've been in there to get both of those when all melee dies... teron = toast
Crumbles Oct 28th 2007 11:33AM
You're not realizing that shatter would affect Teron, the Fire blossoms would also get affected by shatter and increase the damage done, if they keep spawning it means more people on the playing field equals more chance to get a huge hit from Shatter. Plus the growths after awhile would start taking huge chunks out of Terons health. Gruul wins.
Kabira-Fenris Oct 28th 2007 12:18PM
Even if Gruul was immune to the shadow of death ghost thing, Teron could still spawn the shadowy constructs. These would melee Gruul, thereby possibly taking hurtful strikes. Teron wouldn't spawn the blossoms immediately around him so he might not increase the shatter damage he takes from them being around him. Even when he gets knocked back and can't melee Gruul he can make sure the incinerate is up. I think Teron would win in this fight.
Rerolled Oct 28th 2007 12:20PM
I would think that shadowy constructs would still spawn in this fight.