Breakfast Topic: "Cheating" on your guild
by Krystalle Voecks 
Nov 2nd 2007 at 8:01AM
That said, I don't know that I totally agree with Sam. Having spent time in EQ, you did not generally go outside of your guild at any time for raiding, unless you were looking to join another -- or get punted from your current one if they caught wind of it. In WoW, I've seen guild alliances and even open-to-all alt runs posted on the forums featuring members from many established guilds. But I know that there have been days when I dreaded another PUG due to horrendous tactics and playing. Bad PUGs are the fastest way to get me turn to only running with my guild for a little while.
On the other hand, I know many small guilds don't necessarily like folks running with other guilds because they are concerned that their members are going to be poached by larger guilds. But for every single one of these types of insular guilds, there is another that is part of a raiding alliance, with their members mingling freely with other guilds.
What do you think? Do you, like Sam, wonder why people are so utterly devoted to playing and raiding with only their guild? Or do you also see the alt runs and PUGs and think that there's a nice balance in WoW of being able to play with your guild as well as with other people? Does your guild have a policy of "don't run with any other guild" or are you in one of the many different guilds that actually has a raiding and grouping alliance?
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Clink Nov 2nd 2007 8:20AM
My guild does not raid, but we do have a certain raid group that most of us choose to raid with.
However because of my work schedule I sometimes am not available for the regular raid group, so I raid with an Australian raid group in the night instead.
Richie Nov 2nd 2007 8:35AM
When we were raiding MC (to farming status) we started working with players from other larger guilds who were further on in the game. We let a few of them come in and help us learn the ways of BWL. I think a guild can always be more productive if the Guildmaster/Officers are social with other guilds. there should be no rivalry between guilds, there is enough of that with the bloomin horde.
Tim Nov 2nd 2007 8:36AM
Have a read up on instance griefing and instance hijacking. That's one reason to keep raids in guild only.
Then there's the driving forces behind DKP. With end game raiding, particularly when you're pushing into new territory, it can be many runs before you see the loot you need drop. In a pug the loot rules can't be as fair as a guild DKP system.
Finally there's group coordination. This goes a long way to making a successful run. It takes time, and just can't be found in pugs.
Richie Nov 2nd 2007 8:36AM
Or allies...
JeffreyM Nov 2nd 2007 8:47AM
i dont pug with people unless i see that they have some gear to show that they are great at playing their class, even if its a normal mechanar i want people with kara epics in there for a speed run. i once pugged for HKM and it was not pretty because people are stupid and ignorant.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khaz+Modan&n=Collidus
Hybrys Nov 2nd 2007 8:49AM
I actually run Kara with a bunch of friends from another guild, while I run the later instances (SSC/TK) with my guild and just my guild.
Hulkimania Nov 2nd 2007 9:27AM
As my main is only at 37, I am obviously not "in the thick of things" but being in a small guild, only once have I ever had an instance run with all guildies... Theres always a pick-up one or two.. or more... And for the most part, the lower level runs like SFK and SM really have gone pretty good with PUGs. Maybe I'm just lucky....
Ahoni Nov 2nd 2007 9:40AM
Raid IDs. It is really deflating when everyone is ready for your weekly guild Kara run, only to find out that one of your tanks/healers went on a Kara run with his BFF's guild earlier in the week and is saved to their ID. Now you are short a tank/healer.
Even worse is when you PUG a tank/healer to fill that last spot on Tuesday. You have some success and manage to clear thru Curator. You come back on Thursday with your full guild run, only to fnid that the guy you pugged on Tuesday came back on Wednesday, saved to your Raid ID, invited his guild, and they cleared the rest of Kara for ya. Now you are stuck with an empty Kara and no loot for everything past Curator. All you need is ONE person saved to your Raid ID to go in with another group to steal your Raid ID.
Mystraven Nov 2nd 2007 9:50AM
Having played FFXI and WOW for an extended amount of time, part of the reason jumping linkshells happens so much in ffxi is becouse it is easy. A player can carry multiple linkshells and change the one they are in at any given time in about 10 seconds. Wow doesnt have the options to be joined to multiple guilds at the same time by one person so of course people are going to stick with one guild.
KCV Nov 2nd 2007 11:01AM
@5 you want people in Kara epics for a normal run, and you link your armory profile to show your imaginary self worth and you think their gear shows their worth.
life goes evade bug on you.
ThorinII Nov 2nd 2007 11:13AM
One more reason I'm not in a guild. It's no one's business who I do/don't group with. It's my $15, I'll go and do whatever I want with whomever I want.
ErichZann Nov 2nd 2007 11:16AM
There are things no sane man can know... They are watching me right now... they see my thoughts. Once I talked to someone from _outside_ and was promptly disconnected. They put keyloggers and backdoors on my computer. They know every button I press. They control my firewall… oh god.
I tried moving on, out of my apartment, to another city – I changed my name. But the further I went, the worse the stabbing pain in my lower back got. I can’t get through metal detectors, they won’t let me on a plane - the doctors can’t find it. Oh god.
I called Blizzard to have my server switched, but the operator stopped talking when I told her my account name. Hushed tones in the background, and then a buzzing sound. The voice changed, a rumbling older man picked up the phone. He said I would be banned if I tried to switch servers, he said they would ban my friends. He said I couldn’t even use game cards then… they know too much.
I… must tank. They don’t let me sleep much, only to rest my eyes. When I don’t wake up for raids my phone rings constantly. I slept outside one night, in a park across the street. An old bum approached me, he asked me for food or money, I said I didn’t have any… then he asked me for gold, he asked if I could run him through shadowfang keep – I ran forever.
I caught a taxi… I told him my address, but he didn’t acknowledge it – he raced me home very quickly and took some back ways even I didn’t know about. When I got home he wouldn’t take my money and snarled at me.
I pray for patch day… I pray for server downtime. My family calls sometimes – when they manage to get through they tell me my girlfriend is very nice – I don’t have a girlfriend. I’m afraid… things are okay when I play a lot. They give me loot, they pay my repairs, they give me enchants and gems – but I can never leave.
I look out my window at night, and swear that I can see the things below me, in trench coats… lurching along the sidewalk opposite my apartment. The street light under my window reflects their glasses… all of them wearing glasses, a hundred pairs of uniformly-shaped shining reflections staring up me, O’ God.
Paw Nov 2nd 2007 12:28PM
ErichZann didn't take his medicine this morning...did he?
Verit Nov 2nd 2007 2:19PM
@5
I think my Druid alt has more epic gear than you and she's mostly wearing rep rewards.
Besides - for 5 mans I really believe 90% of clearing those (especially tempest keep) is player skill - not kara epic gear - having tanked and healed through all of them I can honestly say trash/bosses in there hit like pansies - even in heroic.
Wittgenstein Nov 2nd 2007 11:03PM
In FFXI it's totally different - a person is allowed to be in more than one LS (guild) at a time, it depends which one they have equiped - in addition, a person can go back and forth, back and forth to ls to ls all in a couple of minutes. In WOW, a person is only allowed one guild and when a person leaves that guild it's usually forever.
Skarlette Nov 2nd 2007 5:12PM
If you're feeling brave and want to PUG a 5-man instance, no one will care. If you go and get yourself saved to another guild's raid ID, though, that's just not cool. I recall someone almost being gkicked for that in the AQ/BWL days.