Azeroth Interrupted: Reader Mail -- Overcoming fears of raiding
Before I get to Roberth's Reader Mail, I would like to announce that I'm transferring Azeroth Interrupted over to Massively under the name of Gamer Interrupted. It's going to be the same column, except it will be about balancing real life with playing MMOs in general, not just WoW. I'm not leaving WoW Insider -- in fact, I've started writing a new weekly column called WoW, Casually which I hope those of you who have a limited WoW play time will read as well.So please come visit me at Massively on Tuesdays for Gamer Interrupted. And those of you who won't, I miss you already! I love you guys! sniff
On to Roberth's email:
Dear Robin,
First, let me say that I thoroughly enjoy your posts...my wife and I play WoW (me since Day One, she since I surreptitiously installed it on her computer last year) together and are glad to have found a source of enjoyment we both love! Anyway, the issue I wish to seek some advice on:
I've been raiding in WoW ever since MC was the only place in town and am starting to do the TBC raids (took awhile for me to level my Priest up to 70). I'd like to see my wife raiding with me and it seems she enjoys the level of camaraderie in raids (I catch her hovering nearby my computer when raiding, listening in on the Vent chatter) but the couple of times I've brought her along on raid events (largely just ZG) she seemed either out of her element or just not comfortable. I'm not sure if it's because it's a different role she needs to play (she's a Warrior and I think does fabulous in it) in the raid environment, or if its something as simple as clashing personalities in the larger groups.
Thus, what do you think would be the best way to introduce my wife who's never gotten into the raiding environment pre-TBC (she hit 60 about a couple months before TBC and never really got to raid MC, BWL, et al) to raiding in the Outlands?
Thanks and keep the good posts coming along!
Roberth the Holy Priest glad to have a Warrior mate
Dear Roberth,
First of all, I'm sorry it took me so long to respond to your request (you asked this in July!). Hopefully, you don't need my advice anymore, but I'd like to address it for anyone else who may be interested. The fact is that I fear raiding myself. So I'm going to offer the possible reasons to be afraid to raid and some suggestions for overcoming them.
My husband's first reaction when I read him your email was "Hey she plays and she lets you raid! Be grateful!" It does sound like you appreciate that your wife shares your hobby, so that isn't a problem. Though he does bring up a good point. She may never want to raid and that's OK. As long as you both get what you want out of the game and you get enough together time, then really that's all that matters.
And that's the first thing to determine. Does she really want to raid? If she doesn't, then I say leave it at that. This is about having fun after all. If she does want to raid but has too many reservations to enjoy it, then we need to determine what they are. And that's the next thing to do, ask exactly what is bothering her. Because I can't ask her directly, I'll talk about the things that bother me and how to address them.
Raid noobness:
No one likes to be a noob. Education is the key here. Have her read up on the raid online or at your guild's designated strategy site. Also, Amanda Rivera did an excellent series of Learn2raid guides which she may want to read.
Unfamiliar territory:
If it is my first time in a raid zone and everyone else has been a few times, I feel overwhelmed and embarrassed about being the noob. The best thing to do is to have her sit next to you while you do the raid instance in which you eventually want her to join. Play tour guide as you go from place to place and explain each boss battle beforehand. When you succeed, explain what went right. When you fail, explain what went wrong. It won't fully sink in until she does it herself, but this can build a great foundation to help alleviate her discomfort.
Unsure of raid role:
It's not as simple as being designated Main Tank or Off Tank or whatever -- there are a lot of little things that she needs to know about her role in the raid. When you are giving the raid tour to familiarize her with the territory, have her be watching the person who is doing what she would be doing if she were in the raid. And allow her to ask questions if he or she is willing to answer them (most people are very willing to show off what they know).
Uncomfortable with strangers:
People you don't know very well are hard to read over the internet, even with voice chat. Her reticence to play with your fellow raidees may have nothing to do with personality clashes, it may just be a simple fear of embarrassment in front of strangers or just a general discomfort with barely known people. And there is also the fear of being misunderstood -- people often don't get my sarcasm, for example, and that can lead to very awkward moments. Captain Obvious comes to the rescue here. Turn the strangers into familiar acquaintances. In between raids, arrange to group with as many of the regular raidees as possible. The more familiar she is with them and they are with her, the easier it will be for her to acclimate to raiding.
Fear of making mistakes:
This is a biggie. I am terrified of making a huge blunder and wiping the raid. You can tell me that everyone makes mistakes or remind me that death in WoW is not so big of a deal, but I still don't want to let everyone down. The solution to this is group, group, group! Practice makes perfect. (Captain Obvious snickers in the background.) It sounds like you two do a lot of duo questing -- which is a real blast. Some of the best times I've had playing WoW has been the questing from 60 to 70 in TBC with my husband. But I can't tell if you two grouped with others too much. Regardless, she should PuG it up and group with your fellow raidees as often as can be arranged. This will not only be good practice for her and make her more comfortable with strangers and the people she will be raiding with, it will also help her to get better gear.
Lack of perceived support:
It doesn't sound like this is a problem with you, judging from your email, but I have encountered this when gaming with significant others over the years. Sometimes a boyfriend or husband will treat his loved one differently in front of people than how he treats her alone -- this applies to real life and gaming. Also, he may be far more patient of others than he is with his wife. Your moral support, communication and patience can make a huge difference in whether your wife enjoys herself raiding or considers it a chore.
Stress level:
When raiding, the stress level is much higher than soloing or questing in pairs or grouping for instances. And a lot of people, me included, think it reduces the benefits of playing WoW for a leisure activity. You are right, however, that the camaraderie and the strategy and the loot and the sense of accomplishment do make up for it. The more often she raids and the more fears that get addressed, the less stress she will feel and the more fun she will have.
If your wife has the time and the desire to raid, then identifying and overcoming her fears about it is the path to success. It seems to me that she has good support with you and together the two of you can enjoy all that the TBC endgame has to offer. But if she really doesn't want to try or she tries it and doesn't want to try again, then respecting her feelings is extremely important. Raiding isn't for everyone.
Good luck and keep in touch.
Robin Torres juggles one level 70 Tauren Druid, multiple alts across multiple servers, two cats, one preschooler, one loot-addicted husband and a yarn dependency. After years of attempting to balance MMOs with real life, Robin lightheartedly shares the wisdom gleaned from her experiences. If you would like to ask Robin's advice or if you have a story you wish to share, please email Robin.Torres AT weblogsinc DOT com for a possible future Gamer Interrupted column.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Pook Nov 5th 2007 9:29AM
I know my first visit into Kara was a revelation to me... I knew i wanted to raid but was terrified i would wipe the raid and everyone would hate me...
Well its just not like that (in most guilds im sure some are evil and /gquit is the answer there) you will be forgiven your mistakes as long as ppl are aware that your new to this sort of thing :)
Cailleach Nov 5th 2007 9:37AM
One fast thing - if she's scared of wiping the raid, get her on Vent with you while you raid. Then, during a downtime, ask folks to tell the story of the time *they* wiped the raid. It'll help her realize everyone does it, and we all laugh at ourselves over it afterward.
Bocks Nov 5th 2007 10:10AM
First, Robin, you remind me of that guy on Ed Sullivan
(oops, an age tell) with all the spinning plates. How do you get it all done???? Congrats on the new assignment.
Next, I'm so glad to see this article. I'm an older player who enjoys the beauty and social aspects of WoW, also the success perks. Got started by doing the parental eval. when my youngest son began playing.
I play a Hunter, a Priest and a Mage and a recently created a little Rogue. None have reached 40 yet.
I quest mostly alone or sometimes with one or two others, primarily because I share Roberth's wife's reticence about groups and for the reasons you listed.
I appreciate your comments about not wanting to make
noob mistakes or not wanting to wipe a group. In
real life, I'm not bothered by "noob calling" because
I'm thinking everyone had to learn and some of us have less time to play.
But it is intimidating to become part of a group in a new situation. In the heat of battle, it does sting to have someone type something caustic.
But, oh how sweet to be part of a group where everyone is doing what they do best and the team works like a well oiled machine...uh, recently defragged computer. All the enemy corpses and the loot sharing and the congratulatory comments...
It's just enough to make a "noob" like me think,
"Wow, I AM going to do this again...sometime."
Calaana Nov 5th 2007 10:35AM
Get a group together that could 9 man kara, and give her a role that is easily picked up if something goes wrong so her death won't cause a wipe and take her. Hopefully having very little pressure will make it a little easier.
Run kara a few times, slowly work up to the more depended upon roles. If she's a tank, have her mt moroes with the first mt off tanking. There's still that back up factor, but you still have that "They need me" feel to it. Slowly work at it.
Once she's good in the 10 man's, take her to the 25's. By that point, she should be a lot, lot more confidant. What's the worst that'll happen? She gets a "Remember the time I.."?
I've wiped a group as the healer: no mana, pots on cool down and nothing I can do. Purposely pulled agro to pop my ankh... and a pat wandered just close enough to agro.. I'm sure you can guess the rest.
We all screw up, we all have a role to play and anyone that gives you a hard time isn't worth listening to. Laugh when they go "Now remember.. no pat pulls!" instead of "Oh god I'm going to do it again!".
lordfrikk Nov 5th 2007 10:42AM
I never raided before, I'm playing WoW for 5 months now, but it seems to me that every guild wants only experienced raiders. I have this feeling that If I join raid guild and tell them "hi, i never raided before" I'm gonna get kicked in a second.
erin Nov 5th 2007 1:09PM
I think you'd be better simply mirroring the column at massively since many wowinsider readers will not visit massively and you'll lose out on a lot of readers
Same Boat Nov 5th 2007 1:16PM
I'm right there with her. I've been playing WoW for almost 2 years. Three 70s, a dozen alts. Been in two guilds (both nice to great), have run enough instances to be exalted in almost every faction .. and I still HATE Karazhan. I like to solo, I like to duo, I like all the 5-man instances* (normal or heroic) ...
... and I have no idea why either. After my last run, I taped a sign to my monitor that says "Just don't sign up." Here's hoping that there will be enough useful comments here to help us both out (grin).
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* OK, maybe not Gnomer.
Delta Nov 5th 2007 1:54PM
Agreed, unless your new column has some kinda RSS I might forget to hit it. Congrats though, I always enjoy reading this section because it meshes well with my play style in WoW.
Personally I play mostly solo, and while I can play in groups, I often will get frustrated with groups that don't even TRY to contribute to the group. Some of the most successful PUG's I've been in are the ones where we have a weird setup but we all know our roles and how to execute them. (2 priests 2 rogues and a warrior in blood furnace XD) Raids are all about how well a group works together, and though I have not raided yet (still 65) I eventually want to try to, not really for the loot, but to see the BC lore and boot Illidan. Loot is bonus!
Sky_Paladin Nov 5th 2007 3:40PM
I can't be bothered to go to massively since I only play WoW. Just write the same article in two places. Everybody wins.
Khanmora Nov 6th 2007 9:45AM
@5 lordfrikk
Check out the realm forums at worldofwarcraft.com for your realm. If you look over the recruitment threads and the progression thread (most realms have these stickied) you will get an idea of what guild to look for.
There are many casual guilds that raid and that understand that there are people who haven't raided before that would be more than willing to take you in. Don't aim for the 6 day a week raiders in BT if you have never raided before. Look for the guilds that are in or have Kara on farm and hook up with one of them.
If your goal is to eventually be an endgame raider let the guild you join know that you would like to progress. However if your goal is just to raid for kicks then find a good casual guild that cares more about having fun than progression.
Thomas Nov 6th 2007 8:01PM
Robin, thanks for this post - while it is a bit behind the times I'm certain it will help out. Over the last six months my wife and I worked on getting our Kara key (took a bit) and have been running with one of our guild groups there. She also has been in Magtheridon a couple times and just recently saw Gruul's for the first time. On her own she's been researching boss fights, watching videos, reading up on strategies. She asks for my input on enchants and gems on her gear upgrades, and has me look over her spec choices (I used to run a Warrior as my main long ago). She certainly enjoys herself in the raids and takes the opportunities given her to improve on tanking and dpsing. I must say, I enjoy seeing her in the same raid I'm in...I even sneak heals over to her when no one's watching. :P
Thanks for your column Robin, I'll be sure to catch it over on the Massively forum!