Arcane Brilliance: Speccing for AoE

We've been told that mages are supposed to be the kings (and queens) of AoE damage, so why not take advantage of our strengths to maximize our potential for destruction? There are several talents that are very important in this particular spec, but more interesting are those talents that can completely ruin your build. First, let's look at the talents that will help you own with AoE:
Must Have Talents
Elemental Precision: Reduce the chance that you will have mobs resisting your spells, thus reducing those times when you will have one guy beating on you while the rest of the group is frozen neatly in place. These should be the first three points you spend in the Frost tree, and along with 2 points in Improved Frostbolt will allow you to move on to the second tier talents without wasting points. Only add the last three points to Improved Frostbolt when you need to push further down the tree to get access to more essential talents.
Improved Frost Nova: Grab this talent to shave off 4 seconds from the Frost Nova casting time.
Permafrost: I have found that this talent is great for getting a little more time out of the chill effects created by Blizzard. The added benefit is of course slowing the group more, which means more breathing room available for casting your spells.
Cold Snap: While this talent is great for multiple uses of Ice Block in single target fights, in AoE battles you will use it primarily to get a fast Frost Nova down in an emergency.
Improved Blizzard: If you take no other talent in your AoE spec, take this one. The added chill effects are the central core of the build, and the techniques mentioned below cannot work without them.
Arctic Reach: Additional range is very key to AoE grinding. Placing two points in this skill will enable you to get two Blizzard casts before you have to Blink behind your unsuspecting group of victims.
Frost Channeling: With mana being drained so fast in an AoE fight, reducing the mana cost of frost spells by 15% can mean the difference between their death and yours.
Ice Block: Protect yourself from an angry group of mobs while at the same time allowing them to collect into a nice, tight group in preparation for a rain of ice from the sky.
Ice Barrier: Ice Barrier is one of those spells that you will hit whenever you have the chance, since in addition to its long duration, this shield spell allows you to cast without interruption as long as it is up.
Improved Cone of Cold: Cone of Cold is one of those spells that you will use often in an AOE fight when the enemies are packed closely together. And honestly, who doesn't want to do more damage?
Must Miss Talents
As I mentioned before, what you leave out of this spec is just as important as what you put into it. The following talents will destroy your spec, as they will severely inhibit you from the ultimate ownage you are capable of:
Frostbite: While freezing groups of mobs with Frost Nova is an essential part to AoE fights, the chance to freeze one mob in place means the chance to split up your grouping. When the group breaks up, you will have some mobs out of range of the Blizzard and the entire process of AoE grinding breaks down. In summary, Frostbite = bad.
Shatter: Blizzard will never crit, so wasting points on a talent that increases spell crit chance is just that, a waste.
Ice Shards: This is another talent that will have no affect on your AoE grinding since it improves critical strike damage. Save these points for something more useful, for instance Arcane Subtlety.
You'll notice when you first start out trying this kind of game play that you will die. A lot. It's not easy to do, and with talents like those listed above, your single-target DPS will be pretty sad. But if you are the kind of person that prefers to grind their levels rather than quest them, AoE grinding is the best way to go. Here are some tips for getting the most out of your AoE grind time:
- Picking a fight: AoE grinding works best on non-ranged enemies, so if you can, select groups of mobs that are exclusively melee-oriented.For specific suggestions on locations primed for AoE farming, I refer you once again to Bangy's guide.
- Playing tag: When gathering your group of mobs, tag the one furthest from your original position first and circle around to those that will be closest to you.If you have a mount this will be infinitely easier to accomplish, however you don't have to wait until level 40 to begin your grinding.Just make sure to be careful when collecting your mobs together.You may have to circle a couple of times.
- Targeting circle placement:The first time you cast Blizzard on your group of enemies, place the green targeting circle so that the back edge is on the mob furthest from you.This will give you the first needed chill for the entire group.When you cast the spell again, however, place the back edge in front of the mob closest to you.Since the group is walking toward you, they will again be slowed by the chill of the Blizzard as they walk into it.
- Use Ice Barrier and Ice Block (if you have it), but not Mana Shield: Your first position is standing inside your group of mobs, therefore until you Frost Nova and Blink away from the group, protect yourself with Ice Barrier.Mana Shield is not recommended because AoE grinding will use every ounce of mana you have, and Mana Shield will drain a substantial amount of your power before you get a chance to use it.
- Blink towards, not away:It sounds crazy, but once you have cast your second Blizzard and dropped another Frost Nova, Blink towards your group of mobs in order to get behind them rather than bamfing further away from the group.This will prevent accidentally running into something behind you, and will give you an extra bit of time as the group reorients itself to your new position.
- Love your mana gems and pots: AoE grinding is very mana intensive, and so you might consider making or buying a few mana potions to keep in reserve. In any case, make sure you have a full supply of mana gems at your disposal at the beginning of every grind fight.There will be times when you will have to use Evocation in order to burn a particularly tenacious group down.In that case either use Ice Barrier or a Frost Nova/Blink combo to create a safe space for you to recharge.
Variations on this theme are definitely out there, as are mages that AoE grind completely differently. I have also heard of Fire and Arcane mages getting their AoE grind on, but Frost seems to be the most popular spell school for this sort of thing. If you have any suggestions for those looking to AoE grind, let us know. I'm always looking for ways to improve my magocity, and I'm sure there are others like me out there as well.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Paul Nov 24th 2007 9:03PM
and here's this AOE grinding guide some dude put together that inspired me to spec frost for AOE leveling:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-903331917281359369&q=in+frost+we+trust&total=12&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
aoe grinding is still grinding, but if you enjoy the strategy in it, then it won't be boring at all
Anonymous Nov 24th 2007 9:15PM
Frost mages are really fun to play, but only from somewhere around 50-60 when you got all the required talents and the right mobs.
Grinding away on those fields in the Western Plaguelands was a really neat way to get to Outland quickly, but Ice mages are somewhat screwed when it comes to expansion content.
Kiting is a great way to solo a lot of stuff in the old world, but alas, Blizzards made most named elite mobs in Outland immune to roots and snares, so the good old frostbolt-nova-frostbolt combo doesn't work in most cases.
And AoE grinding is even a little less fun - the only good place with enough melee mobs and space to gather them conveniently is "the heap" in Netherstorm and that place is already farmed by too many people collecting Zaxxis insignias to boost their Consortium rep as it is...
So yeah, frost mages are incredibly fun to play, but Blizz really did kill some of that fun in the expansion.
Just as an addition to that post as such - if you're going full frost you might as well pick up Shatter and Ice Shards to increase your single target and group DPS - while they're not necessary for AoE-grinding, they don't hurt your efforts, so enjoy as many benefits of the frosty mage as possible ;)
And if you want to know what inspired me to roll a mage alt, watch, if you haven't already, a master at work: Faxmonkey's classic "Even stupider mage tricks"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5767167495196384205&q=faxmonkey&total=33&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
TotalBiscuit Nov 25th 2007 1:07AM
Blizzard? Are you serious? The really successful frost AOE grinders use a CoC/Shatter build. Blizzard is a huge mana-hug, is a channeled spell (this is a bad thing, why would you want to stand still when you've got 10+ mobs coming your way?) and worst of all, even Improved, will have mobs moving out of it's area of effect in a matter of seconds.
I would suggest that this is exceptionally bad advice. On the way to 60, I specced for AOE grinding. Do it properly, use CoC/shatter with Arcane Explosion, don't waste your time on this rubbish.
Paul Nov 25th 2007 2:16AM
3, watch the video from the first comment, or search for "in frost we trust" on google video if the link doesn't work.. it's evidence that you don't really know what you're talking about when it comes to the viability of the blizzard spell.
Noctuurn Dec 5th 2007 7:18PM
Truth...
Markymark Nov 26th 2007 12:35PM
@3 seriously where do you live under a rock? Blizzard is defintely a core spell in aoe grinding.
Amanda Nov 25th 2007 9:25AM
@3
Sorry, but I'm going to have to go and give you a big thumbs down.
Your arguement is moot, because as shown in many AE/CoC AoEing videos, you have mobs bashing on you constantly. So saying it's a horrible AoEing strat because you have mobs COMING AT YOU, while ignoring that mobs are ON YOU the entire time while doing a CoC/AE thing seems like you really don't know what you're talking about.
Not to mention that you have apparentally never done a true Blizzard AoEing strat, because in most cases, you do not leave them in a line, nor do mobs have any conception of othe rmobs, so they do not space themselves out from other mobs. They bunch up onyou, and move in a group. Plus, you have FN to hold them in place while you are positioning yourself, and blink for distance.
Now, I'm sure people have done perfectly fine w/ AE/CoC/Flamestrike...but personally, I'd rather just have to drink up on mana, knowing full well my HP is fine should something go wrong, as opposed to knowing that no matter what, I'm going to take damage, and most likely die sitting next to the mobs the entire time.
Mechpl Nov 25th 2007 9:45AM
Aoe grinding is dead... since 2.3. It now much more slower than questing. before 2.3 it was pretty similar in speed to questing so it was nice alternative if mage is ur 3rd or more alt( doing same quests again hunrts...) but now its total waste of time..>< too bad blizzard didnt buff exp from killing mobs too. that bassicaly killed grinding and AOE grinding for lvls
Paul Nov 25th 2007 12:07PM
I haven't tried AOE grinding a level since the patch, so i can't really say whether or not i agree that it is dead, but blizz didn't just increase xp from quests, they decreased the xp to level, so in effect, they did increase the amount of xp gained from each monster killed.
T-4 Nov 25th 2007 3:26PM
@7:
Yes, but they increased xp on quests, which still benefit from the decrease for level. So while mobs are more effective than prior, doing quests is doubly so.
Arturis Nov 25th 2007 4:23PM
You also need to keep in mind that most "kill X number of monsters" and "collect X number of monster drops" quests are going to go by much faster when you are dropping 5-10 monsters at a time.
James Stevenson Nov 26th 2007 12:36AM
I don't like to AoE Grind with frost. I prefer a fire spec with some points in Arcane. My strat is Pyro blast a mob the furthest way, then wait for it to approach and collect a couple buddies. If the mob selected does not agro others I will run around and Ice Lance about 4 other mobs till I have about 4-6 mobs on me. Then AE them till I get a nice group. Once I get a nice tight mob together then I will blast wave them, at higher levels I then throw a Dragons breath on them as well. I then drop back a few steps out of arms reach and AB them down. I also will spam Fire Blast when it become available. Usually I can do this twice before recharging with food and water. I can get between 6-18 mobs in these sets with an average of 10.
No matter what strat you choose, gear is essential. I choose gear that is high in stam and int as my goal is to get max kills in less time. I generally do carry two sets of gear on my. One is my AoE gear, the other is my normal gear. My normal gear is more designed for Instance/Raid than my AoE Gear.
Buuty Nov 26th 2007 6:58AM
"In Frost We Trust"....the only video I ever needed.
Jason Nov 26th 2007 7:53AM
Um, I'm going to agree and say that saying shatter is a miss is a mistake.
Yes, the majority of what you're going to be doing is blizzard. However, frost nova + imp cone of cold with shatter means that each target takes crit damage from your cone of cold. This is great when you're low on mana/or just want to finish them off quickly. In general, if you're frost and you're aoeing in an instance as well...it's fn+coc with shatter that you want to do.
Todd Nov 26th 2007 11:00AM
Distance is a Mage's best friend. I can't see relying solely on CoC and not Blizzard. CoC is too much up-close-and-personal to be effective on a mass scale with a huge group of mobs.
Buuty Nov 26th 2007 12:01PM
I can take same level 11-13 mobs with the "In Frost We Trust" video spec. Best frost AoE video.
Mabus Dec 6th 2007 11:04AM
I used to AoE grinding using the Nova, Firestrike, CoC, AE, Nova, etc routine seen in Faxmonkey's movies. The advantage of this technique is that it still works if you DO have frostbyte.
However, I too saw in frost we trust so I gave the blizzard routine a go and simply put it is vastly superiour to the CoC/Nova routine.
If you're planning on using the blizzard method then here's a little tip. Gather the mobs with your mount, circle around them to group them up and when they're packed together run INTO the group, Jump and Nova. What will happen is you'll dismount and nova but you'll still travel at 60% or 100% extra speed landing out of melee range.