The enemy within the Alliance
It used to be that Alliance players thought of Alterac Valley as the only battleground in which they had a fighting chance, an advantage to make up for their apparent inability to win any of the other battlegrounds. With the changes to Alterac Valley in patch 2.3, however, the idea is gradually spreading like an infectious disease among Alliance players that Blizzard loves the Horde most and purposely lets the Horde get speedier access to lots of Honor rewards. Just visit your nearest Alliance battleground match to hear the latest crying and whining about how all the other Alliance players are stupid noobs who can't tell how bad they suck and are going to lose every time. Alliance: please, get real. The more people there are in either faction, whining and moaning about how hopeless things are, the more likely that faction will lose. The whiners are spending all their time typing out their useless babble, not leading, fighting or healing. To boot, they're also demoralizing the whole group, breaking down all sense of coordination, cooperation, and confidence. If you encounter such a moaner/whiner, do not engage in any long discussion with them -- just put them in their place, "/ignore" them, and encourage others to do the same. They whiners are dead set on depressing themselves and anyone who will listen and no matter how witty your comebacks may be, and the more energy is wasted on them, the less is going into the game.
If it is in fact true that the Horde wins battlegrounds more often, then this is itself the reason. The "For the Horde" mentality bolsters the idea that the Horde is good at PvP. If you think your side is more naturally good at something, you're much less likely to think "Blizzard hates us!" when you lose, and much more likely to try and improve on your game for the benefit of your faction. Yes, there are plenty of Horde-side players who moan and whine too, but these don't fit in with the "For the Horde" spirit of the group as a whole -- and everyone knows it.
That said, it can be truly disheartening to lose all the time -- the whiners are having genuine feelings and those matter too. Their problem is that they wallow in these feelings and try to infect others with their mood rather than striving to improve themselves and their situation. I play Alliance as well, and I purposely guard points of interest in the Battlegrounds so that I can encourage and help direct my teammates if they don't already have a good grasp of what to do. This really isn't that hard. I'm not the best player or the best leader in the game, but what I can offer is a lot better than fruitless complaining.
I wouldn't necessarily advocate that the Alliance copy the Horde and go around saying "For the Alliance!" all the time, but we do need to try and be a little more allied than we have been up to now. The whole meaning of "Alliance" is cooperation -- we must try to show that spirit in our games if we're going to enjoy ourselves and win. We can, and should, try to familiarize ourselves with the best strategies for success in the battlegrounds, but by for the most important preparation for the battlegrounds is to conquer the voice of despair within. Defeat that, and you might just defeat the Horde.
[Edit] -- Some of the ways I've expressed things in this article have led to misunderstandings by some readers. To clarify, I'm not trying to insult anyone, or bait mindless argument here. I'm addressing a specific issue I have experienced with other members of my faction. I'm not saying that all Alliance players are whiners, nor that all Horde players are better at PvP. I'm saying that when members of my faction give up, complain all the time, and insult their teammates, they're not doing any good, and in fact are making things much much worse. I'm told that there are situations in which Horde players may complain all the time, too, so perhaps this message can apply to those individuals as well.
If you try your best to encourage your battlegroup and work as a team, then rest assured I'm not criticizing you, whoever you are: congratulations on keeping a positive attitude. However, if you're throwing about criticisms such as "All of you are the worst players I've ever seen! You noobs just suck! Alliance never wins any BGs because all of you are retards!" then you're the one I'm talking to: stop it. Everyone else: don't let these people get you down -- ignore them if you have to, but do everything you can to keep your morale up and do your best regardless of which side seems to have the advantage.
Filed under: PvP, Analysis / Opinion






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
Ghydion Jan 29th 2008 4:18AM
I guess I'll add my 2 cents to this touchy subject.
First, I'm in the Bloodlust battlegroup and I can say that Horde win the majority of the time when the Alliance is not in a pre-made.
As for the whining - I know it gets old, but it happens whenever people get frustrated. And it doesn't just happen for no reason. If we're seeing a BUNCH of people complaining abut something then obviously, there's probably a problem.
It would nice to have solid facts about the whole situation instead of just hearsay. Blizzard used to publish stats for Warcraft III games all the time - why can't they do the same for WoW PVP games? If there is an imbalance, then it should be very apparent.
Also, I got curious one time and looked up numbers published on the internet for the population of faction members on our server. It's been awhile, but the numbers were something like 75% Alliance and 25 % Horde. I know that PvP is now across all servers, but if there a bunch more Alliance Pvp'ers, then you already have an imbalance because the chance of non-geared, inexperienced, Alliance members getting stuck together is much greater than the chance of several well-geared Horde members getting stuck together.
Also, our culture has preached that the "knights" and "wizards" tend to be the "good guys" - so where do you think all the "kids" want to play? Certainly a majority are not on the Horde side. It would be interesting to see a census on the age differences in the factions. I think that most people have already agreed that the younger kids are normally on the Alliance side. Have you ever tried to organize a bunch of kids? Not an easy task - ask any school teacher.
So...the question is how do you fix it? I can say right now, that whatever Blizzard does, it won't make everyone happy. It's reached the point where the only way to level the playing field will affect everyone - those who have worked the butts off and those who haven't.
I think that having a ranking system would be best. To somehow sort it out so that only the best play the best. Skill levels need to to be sorted out and this should also reflect gear. A commenting system needs to be balanced with even-handed authority who would judge people based on FACTS. Check out Xbox 360/sony playstation/nintendo online games. I've heard (not seen) that they have system that helps to weed out the jerks.
AND, rewards should be based on the competition. So, if you BEAT a high level person/team, then you get points for doing so and rewarded accordingly.
I have to say that I feel for the community managers for WoW's pvp. It's a tough problem and it will take some doing to truly balance things out.
I hope that they do address it and come up with a system that creates a balance. It would be nice to see more people become interested in PvP instead of seeing it as a nuisance or a worthless part of the game. B
patrick Nov 24th 2007 4:52PM
QFT! The whiners are spending all their time typing out their useless babble, not leading, fighting or healing.
Alliance are babies. Simple! They are also 12!
PhyerFly Nov 24th 2007 5:08PM
My understanding is that you cannot ignore people that are not on your server - so dropping a /ignore on a soapbox whiner on a cross-realm battlegrounds is just not possible.
KCV Nov 24th 2007 4:57PM
@1 Your post makes me wonder who the 12 year old is.
Alliance this Horde that!, all the same dorks at each end of the keyboard.
Krazen Nov 24th 2007 4:59PM
Ok well i don't know about you guys but I'm a lvl 68 druid and still encounter noobs in the BGs(Alliance) and its very frustrating when your the only person trying to win WSG when the rest of your team is trying to farm for honor or does not understand the mentality of the BG. As I noticed this i noticed something else. The Horde were doing the exact same thing, thats when I realized that there are idiots on both sides and you can't escape them. So when you get in a BG with another stupid group take charge and try to get the job done.
Val Feb 7th 2008 12:51PM
@ 5
You are sorely mistaken. The old adage has always been:
1.) Horde have more town and Flight Paths
2.) Alliance Cities/towns are better guarded
Easiest Cities/Towns to gank:
1.) X-Roads: Even Chuck Norris has pity.
2.) Sunrock Retreat: I equate this to attacking an old broken down camper.
3.) Tarren Mill: All of one block to fight in....
4.) Undercity: Come in through the service entrance...yawn.
5.) Refuge Pointe: Probably an abandoned Horde outpost before Alliiance got to it.
6.) Camp Mojache V. Feathermoon Isle: No comments needed.
Most ridiculous Defenses:
1.) Darnassus: Just plain silly
2.) Menethil Harbor: Almost as big and guarded as Org
3.) Thunder Bluff: It's a pain no doubt
hpavc Nov 24th 2007 4:58PM
"For Gnomergan!"
kevin Nov 24th 2007 4:59PM
It's true that alliance does whine alot, but in all honestly, it does seem that blizzard favors the horde. in refuge point in arathi, the guards are all low lvl 40's, and it's extremely easy to get into the town. Hammerfall, the guards are 55 and 65, and the town is surrounded by a gigantic wall with only two openings. in SS, the guards dont spawn nearly as much as they do in tarren mill. In Nagrand, the 70 elite wolf riders that patrol the road can run faster than you, fleeing on your epic land mount, and pwn you in about 3 seconds. But i'm not complaining, it's just a game.
Zeplar Nov 24th 2007 5:00PM
Dude.... Race vs. Race battlegrounds! Gnome versus Tauren! Human vs. Undead! Orc vs. Night Elf!
"For Gnomeregan!" "For the Herd!" "For Aiur!" wait... wrong game.
Beltann Nov 24th 2007 5:08PM
I don't know about you guys, but in my battlegroup (reckoning) the alliance win about 7/10 games right now, thats at least what I won last night.
The current strat is just to rush IB gy and tower at all costs, some games 5 or 6 people dispose of galv real quickly, but he is no longer the first objective. We then proceed to the rest of the southern map and the match ends up being similar to the old AV in which it is a quick race to the towers/drek.
As for defense, it is composed of those who come in late and those who somehow died at Iceblood, which ends up to be about 10 people. This is enough to delay the horde slightly in order for us to get ahead.
In the end it comes up to about the same honor per hour I was getting last av weekend, before the change occured. I get less honor per match, but they usualy end in less than 25 minutes, compared to the half hour average I was getting pre-patch.
Just my two cents.
VVV Feb 3rd 2008 9:31AM
Beltann is correct and in same BGroup as I: Horde was winning in AV until the Alliance got their stuff together and actually figured out how to change the gameplay. I am Horde, and for the first nine levels we were winning most games I was in and I played a lot. Suddenly we were pinned in at Frostwolf game after game making it almost impossible for rezzing players to move forward past IB. We started losing a lot, but still, not even close to all games and yes, they were over much faster.
I also noticed a lot of familiar Alliance player-names being level 60 the entire time I played which was from 51 to 60. I wonder how they were able to NOT level that entire time and expect they are still there, beating Horde.
Richard Nov 24th 2007 5:07PM
@3 Amen.
Who's the real whiner here?
HamOnRye Nov 24th 2007 5:08PM
I played Alliance side for 2 years, when after a Arathi Basin match I realized that communication, teamwork, and doing the small things (like guarding nodes) simply weren't priority to the average Alliance player. Immediately after that game I re-rolled Horde and havent looked back.
After re-rolling I quickly found out it wasn't the racials, it wasn't the Shaman, and it certainly wasn't any grand scheme by Blizzard to make the Alliance lose. It was and still is the people that play the Alliance and the people that play the Horde, and that makes all the difference. Not sure where I saw this article but a player had done a census on the populations of both sides, and the average age of the Alliance was 15, and the Horde was 24.
Its not perfect Horde side but you will find more team-work, more communication, more focus on winning instead of kill whoring, less childish behavior, less Chuck Norris jokes, and in general less ass-hattery.
Liel Nov 24th 2007 5:11PM
Roll a horde level 1 and an alliance level 1 pop each one for 24 hours and monitor trade/general chat in the most populated city Org/Stormwind. Calculate IQ based on chat, conclusion? same morons either side :)
Richard Nov 24th 2007 5:12PM
As an addendum to #8:
If I wanted to hear this kind of bullshit, I'd go to the forums.
Keep the bullshit off this site. You're no better than the idiots on the forums, David.
Khanmora Nov 24th 2007 5:17PM
@10, you can indeed ignore people from other servers for the duration of a BG. If they show up in the next match you will have to put them on ignore again. But it is possible to get some peace and quiet when the guy from the next realm over is being an asshat.
Jason Nov 24th 2007 8:59PM
It is quite clear that blizzard does favor the horde, but that is a seperate issue from the battlegrounds. And most alliance do have a poor attitude when it comes to the bg's and rarely work together as a team. This was true in all but Pre 2.3 AV where most of the time the alliance did actually work together.
Pre 2.3 AV is where the horde adopted the alliance attitude. Horde could have won AV every single time and I could tell you how they could do it without any exploits. But they chose instead to give up.
Beltann Nov 24th 2007 5:20PM
@12
Not sure what you mean, I was just posting a strategy that the alliance has commited to using and apparently works quite well.
Richard Nov 24th 2007 5:28PM
@14 No, that should have been @7... I mistyped.
Sorry about that.
Tuberon Nov 24th 2007 5:34PM
Sooooo, point of the article...
"So what if it's slanted towards the horde, just get better."
Right, the alliance becomes superior through skill alone, then they are rebalanced again towards horde since they can't match skill.
On my battlegroup, right now the horde has full dominance in all BG's, winning around 75% of the time.