Game developer says WoW is wearing thin
According to Joel Bylos, a developer for the upcoming MMO Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures, we may soon be seeing a decline in the popularity of WoW. Bylos claims that the "feeling on the internet", including that gleaned from "online communities", seems to be that WoW is "losing its lustre".
Of course, if that were really true, developers of upcoming MMOs that will be in competition with WoW would probably not feel the need to claim it. Especially considering the latest push from Blizzard to add to its already massive 9.3 million active subscriber base using celebrity-hosted dynamic commercials, combined with the buzz for the upcoming expansion Wrath of the Lich King, it is doubtful that WoW will be going into decline any time soon.
In fact, Blizzard's parent company, Vivendi, has continued to show significant increased revenue that is attributed to the success of WoW. Its recent merger with Activision suggests that indeed, professional predictions by investors remain positive.
So why say it at all? Honestly, it's not all wishful thinking. If you head over to these "online communities" such as the official forums, unofficial forums, and even our own comment boxes here at WoW Insider, you will find no shortage of complainants.
After every patch, hundreds of players threaten to quit WoW if certain changes are not reversed, or bugs are not immediately fixed. Many players cry that game mechanics are imbalanced, they cannot fathom why content takes time to release, and they may even maintain that they personally know more than the average developer. There is even a coined word for the phenomena; trolling.
Given all of this negativity, it is easy to see how one could gather the impression that on the whole, people's satisfaction with the WoW gaming experience is waning. Unfortunately, people often head to online forums for one of two reasons; to complain, or to seek help. Once those who are not primarily motivated by dissatisfaction meet up with enough whining, insulting and grandstanding, they begin to go elsewhere. Tapping into these communities as a means to gain understanding about the health of WoW is therefore flawed.
Satisfied players tend to spend more time in positive communities that they have built themselves, including guilds, guild websites, and their blogroll. In fact, they even spend a significant amount of time actually in the game! Many of these environments may be private, quieter on the radar, and generally more difficult to find unless you are an insider.
It is also important to note that any other MMO, once it gained enough ground, would likely engender a similar amount of negativity in related online communities. Although the initial excitement and newness of it all would see players reaching out to one another through forums and other means to connect in positive ways, once the dust had settled, and the game became established, the comments, complaints, and general noise would start up. Unfortunately, trolling cannot be avoided by producing stellar content; it is just something that some people feel the need to do, regarding any subject, all over the web.
What do you think about Bylos' comments? Do you feel that WoW on the whole may be losing some of its oomph, above and beyond the population of nay-sayers and the normal, unavoidable number of players who do choose to leave the game? Do you think that WoW has staying power that will carry it through the shiny, flashy, newness of upcoming MMO content?
Of course, if that were really true, developers of upcoming MMOs that will be in competition with WoW would probably not feel the need to claim it. Especially considering the latest push from Blizzard to add to its already massive 9.3 million active subscriber base using celebrity-hosted dynamic commercials, combined with the buzz for the upcoming expansion Wrath of the Lich King, it is doubtful that WoW will be going into decline any time soon.
In fact, Blizzard's parent company, Vivendi, has continued to show significant increased revenue that is attributed to the success of WoW. Its recent merger with Activision suggests that indeed, professional predictions by investors remain positive.
So why say it at all? Honestly, it's not all wishful thinking. If you head over to these "online communities" such as the official forums, unofficial forums, and even our own comment boxes here at WoW Insider, you will find no shortage of complainants.
After every patch, hundreds of players threaten to quit WoW if certain changes are not reversed, or bugs are not immediately fixed. Many players cry that game mechanics are imbalanced, they cannot fathom why content takes time to release, and they may even maintain that they personally know more than the average developer. There is even a coined word for the phenomena; trolling.
Given all of this negativity, it is easy to see how one could gather the impression that on the whole, people's satisfaction with the WoW gaming experience is waning. Unfortunately, people often head to online forums for one of two reasons; to complain, or to seek help. Once those who are not primarily motivated by dissatisfaction meet up with enough whining, insulting and grandstanding, they begin to go elsewhere. Tapping into these communities as a means to gain understanding about the health of WoW is therefore flawed.
Satisfied players tend to spend more time in positive communities that they have built themselves, including guilds, guild websites, and their blogroll. In fact, they even spend a significant amount of time actually in the game! Many of these environments may be private, quieter on the radar, and generally more difficult to find unless you are an insider.
It is also important to note that any other MMO, once it gained enough ground, would likely engender a similar amount of negativity in related online communities. Although the initial excitement and newness of it all would see players reaching out to one another through forums and other means to connect in positive ways, once the dust had settled, and the game became established, the comments, complaints, and general noise would start up. Unfortunately, trolling cannot be avoided by producing stellar content; it is just something that some people feel the need to do, regarding any subject, all over the web.
What do you think about Bylos' comments? Do you feel that WoW on the whole may be losing some of its oomph, above and beyond the population of nay-sayers and the normal, unavoidable number of players who do choose to leave the game? Do you think that WoW has staying power that will carry it through the shiny, flashy, newness of upcoming MMO content?
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 6)
George M. Dec 18th 2007 6:56PM
I am calling it now! I am getting a BETA invite to WoTLK before I see anything substantive from Age of Conan.
George M. Dec 18th 2007 7:01PM
Although we may complain about WoW, when challenged we will defend the game we love like a 15 man Alliance PUG at the Stables.
Scoottie Dec 18th 2007 7:03PM
WoW has a good 2 years left maybe 3 if they upgrade the graphics engine slightly with WotLK
Razhlok Dec 18th 2007 7:03PM
This just in: the makers of Rite Cola have proclaimed comsumers are "tiring" of Coca-Cola and its "losing its luster". Seriously, there have been complaints about WoW and people saying its losing its luster since the game launched 3 years ago.
This is what they refer to in the industry as "wishful thinking".
uh.. Jan 8th 2008 12:23AM
both wow & coca cola are bad for your health -_-
George M. Dec 18th 2007 7:04PM
If they ever make Goblins a playable race. WoW is going off the chain.
Jasperwind Dec 18th 2007 11:11PM
And murlocs! I would love to see murlocs as a playable race. :D
Mats Dec 18th 2007 7:14PM
From the makers of the godawful game Anarcy Online, comes the comment: WoW is getting boring.
Whats next? French art film director claims that Hollywood does not know how to make movies.
Please, when AoC comes out, and it will, and then it becomes the next Vanguard or EQ2, we shall see how much people have grown tired of wow.
TerryW Dec 18th 2007 7:27PM
Wait... Hollywood learned to make movies? I'll be god damned.
Sloegin Dec 18th 2007 7:27PM
Sheesh. Blizzard wouldn't be paying out big chunks of revenue for TV commercials if there wasn't a need on their part.
3 years into the product and the commercials only start now? Grab a clue already. Blizzard is seeing the writing on the wall.
I'm still playin WoW and enjoying it, but if something nearly as good or better comes along, I'm jumpin ship in a heartbeat.
kr3wman Dec 18th 2007 9:15PM
Dude, they could reduce the amount for the monthly sub by 95% and still make money.
Epiny Dec 18th 2007 7:22PM
I have a friend in Warhammer Beta, I actually got banned from one of their forums for posting this. He said that the game controls were to cumbersome. That it was simply to hard to get your character to do what you wanted. He felt WoW was just a "funner" game and while he will try Warhammer when it is released, he doubts it will make him cancel WoW.
Jason Dec 18th 2007 11:00PM
It's in beta. You should see some of the earlier game mechanics of WoW in beta. It went through some major changes. The original troll and human models were completely different. At first there were no talent trees. Then you add to use talent points to get to be able just to use weapons. Lot's of stuff changes in beta.
Warhammer beta was also shut down to introduce massive changes/additions to the beta. Much of that is feedback from their beta testers.
Verit Dec 18th 2007 7:22PM
Wow is actually wearing kinda dull actually. Raids (wipefests) are getting boring. Lack of progression is getting old so I spend more time doing pvp.
Honestly - if my friends quit playing - I'd be out of there.
Charlie Taylor Dec 18th 2007 7:35PM
That would be your and your guild's problem. My guild is progression quite nicely and I'm having more fun in the game than I ever had in the year and a half since I started playing.
Verit Dec 18th 2007 7:53PM
@Charlie
Oh I know it is - but jumping ship is harder than it sounds. Plus I'm not sure if I want to invest a huge amount of time going hardcore.
CunningB Dec 18th 2007 7:32PM
I think the thing with the competition is that their already at a massive dis-advantage with that WoW has had 3 years to polish out all the little "irratating" bugs and now they can concentrait on the new stuff knowing they already have a thriving basic game.
Whenever i pick up and play a new mmo, for example when lotro came out, i always end up playing for a few days/weeks and then get irratated by all the little bugs at still have to be fixed and end up back on WoW, safe in the knowledge that even if the class balance is a little off kilter at least the game fundamentally works.
added to this is the fact we all forget, or have never experienced, how bad Mmo's are when they first launch, ive yet to experience a new mmo that dosent have major problems/ downtime at and around launch, sure people say stick with it it'll get better but for most its a case of , i'll shelve this for now and come back in 6months to see if its improved, thus killing a portion of the needed new community from the off and stunting new growth.
Anyway thats my 2 cents, sure WoW will be replaced eventually, but not until
a) someone comes along with an execptional game, which has an exceptional launch, or
b) blizzard decided to give up on WoW, and either turn the servers off or stop development and work on a new mmo
for me im betting it'll be option b)
arkhell Dec 19th 2007 2:27AM
wow will die for 3 reasons: those 2
and WoW2 totaly revised new engine etc etc ^^
Darius Blackmore Dec 18th 2007 7:59PM
For me I wouldn't say WoW has lost its lustre but the shine for me has come off a bit. There seems to a formula for adding new content and it isn't really ground breaking.
Now this being said it is this formula that made the game great in the first place. Although I am on a break from the game, I still try to keep up to date on the news and keep all my patches up to date so I'm ready to go when the mood strikes.
The problem with the whole comment is that it comes from the competition. In my adventures in the business world I've learned you should concentrate on the positives that you have to offer and not bad mouth the competition. If you've done a good job the consumers will flock to you.
Just a bit of advice Mr. Bylos
A Man In Black Dec 18th 2007 8:09PM
WOW will lose its luster when something outshines it.