Forum Post of the Day: Bring back the honor grind!
Believe it or not, there is actually someone out there who wants Blizzard to bring back the old honor system. You remember: the system where you had to slave away for hours and hours (and hours) day after day (after day) in order to get anything epic -- especially the "Grand Marshal" or "High Warlord" epic weapons. Apparently, Pahs thinks that the time sink the old honor system required proved a deeper dedication on the part of the players who went for it. Nowadays, anybody -- even people with jobs(!) -- can just earn up their honor points and spend them like money, when, according to Pahs, such folks should be content to "talk to a few friends and maybe do a BG or two." He says, and I quote: "Why people with real life responsibility's want the same treatment as people who can input more time into the game is beyond me."Yet a surprising number of posters in his thread agree with him, citing the number one problem with the current system: the appearance of AFKers in all the battlegrounds. Naturally, it offends our sense of justice that AFKers can get honor gear for free by having their characters sitting in the battlegrund leeching off of their teammates, while they themselves don't have to put in any effort at all. In the previous system, players would have had to actually kill the enemy and win in order to progress past rank 5 or so. Likewise, the old system's ranks and titles were fun -- people always like to be able to distinguish themselves from others, though whether for a genuine feeling of achievement or some kind of "Better than thou" badge, depends on the individual.
But going back to the old honor grind in order to get rid of AFKers would be ridiculous. As Tyren says, the newer system, with arenas and objective-based world PvP in addition to battlegrounds, is a vast improvement. It provides more access and variety to more players, and exchanges time for rewards at a far more reasonable pace. What we see in this case is a classic example of people reminiscing about the "good old days," which were never really that good to begin with, simply because frustrating problems have appeared along with the improvements. As much as we all may hate AFKers and other new problems, it's much better to go forward and find new ways to solve such problems than to go back to such an unbalanced system with far more serious flaws of its own.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Ktok Jan 2nd 2008 1:15PM
I’m sure he’ll still feel that way after he’s moved out of his mom’s house and gotten a 9 to 5. Apparently he doesn’t *have* a job currently, so it’s pretty easy to say that a system which makes him “special” is favorable.
I greatly prefer the current system. I can get arena gear for my main, and BG gear for my army of alts without killing myself in the process. It’s fun, and I can do it when real life lets me. I’m sure most people with lives feel the same.
Erika Jan 2nd 2008 1:15PM
Well i didn't pvp hardly any at all when i was leving pre bc and now i am stuck with this grunt title. I wouldn't mind bring the old titles back with honorable kills setting what rank you have.
mcclary Jan 2nd 2008 1:20PM
i don't care what they do to the system as long as i don't have to wait 2h 7min for an AV queue to pop! I rarely run BGs anymore unless I can get a premade together.
(stormstrike - horde)
Buuty Jan 2nd 2008 1:21PM
Time is not equal to skill and therefore....loot should NOT reward time invested. It just that simple. There has to be an element of both time and skill involved to get rewarded, just like real life experience...but i wouldn't expect these kids to be able to relate to that. They think that since they put in hours upon hours they should get something...even if they suck. I find this odd as not many real life scenarios work out that way.
hpavc Jan 2nd 2008 1:22PM
IMO, it should have never left the game. It just should have been an option added to the mix in some fashion as a mechanism for obtaining specific high end items.
Basic Jan 2nd 2008 1:26PM
Hey... I have no problem with them bringing back the honor grind. As long as there are no gear rewards and you just get your little title that's fine with me.
So here's how I see it working - you buy rank tokens for 25,000 honor. They have a 30 day duration and you turn them in stacks according to the rank you want (but you have to rank up one at a time). This could be easily tuned so that you have to PvP 24/7 in a semi-organized grind group to achieve one of the top 2-3 ranks. If you really want HWL/GM title or just want to feel the nostalgia of poopsocking you can do it!
Tech Jan 2nd 2008 1:30PM
Just because there is a problem with people going AFK during BG's is no reason to change the whole system back to the boring grind.
I personally work a 9-5 and a have a family to care for so I appreciate the fact that blizzard has made it possible for the casual gamer to gain enough honor to be able to get some decent gear so that we have an honest chance to compete in PVP.
It sounds like he is just upset that he has lost his gear superiority in the BG's and now has to compete on a more even playing ground.
David(Postal) Jan 2nd 2008 1:30PM
One of my biggest surprises when I rejoined WoW was the loss of the old PVP system. Still I am glad things have changed, I got myself up to rank 10 (Lt. Commander) and I was really burnt out from PVP after that. I always think its good when this game can allow you to have a life and still do well and have fun
Fortitius Jan 25th 2008 12:11PM
Yes - I agree.
We all need to have a life outside of WoW.
Jason Jan 2nd 2008 1:31PM
One thing they can do to fix the afker problem that kind of resembles the old system is to re-institute a mark of honor turn in quest. If players get 100 honor or so per mark, winning will suddenly be worthwhile, instead of losing and still getting 90% of the honor. People will tend to have extra marks to turn in above and beyond the prices of pvp items if they win more than they lose anyway.
Tom Jan 2nd 2008 1:36PM
While I played under the old system, I was frequently frustrated that my real life and all it's obligations (wife, job, children, food, sleep, etc...) got in the way of getting the rank and gear I wanted.
Now I have an alternative. I raid with two of my toons and gear them for those raids and I hit the Arena and BG's with my others. Honestly I don't care what gear you buy from AFKing in the Cave of Love, just don't expect to raid SSC with it.
Theadrick Jan 2nd 2008 1:33PM
Buuty... obviously you have never worked a union job. Time (seniority) is the *only* factor in a union environment and skill/merit has nothing to do with it... which is a big downside of unions.
Anyhoo, as for the BGs, yes... I am permanently stuck with the Knight title on my main, and Knight-Lieutenant on one of my alts. That doesn't really bother me, but what does is the fact that AV has become so meaningless and trivial.
When was the last time anyone has summoned Ivus, or the Ram Riders, or an airstrike for example? I can't even recall the last time guards were upgraded from armor scrap turn ins.
I miss the old epic AV, with all the associated quests, the troll and his minions (on Field of Strife... not at SF gy), and all the NPC guards. It was next to impossible to simply rush to Drek in those days.
AV now is a pale shadow of what it once was... HOWEVER, I do like my new shiny Arena 1 loot. My main was basically in the best gear he could aquire without either raiding or doing heroic instances. I did not have the gear needed to be viable in heroics, and do not have time to raid regularly... so the Gladiator gear represents a huge upgrade for me, and has made it possible for me to do some of the heroic instances.
Phil Jan 2nd 2008 1:34PM
It absolutely infuriates me that this little snot thinks having responsibilities is a bad thing. I have a 9-5; personally, one of the things bringing me back to WoW is that it -can- be rewarding for someone who can't stay up till 6am every night and grind honor for hours upon hours, days upon days, weeks upon weeks.
Naturii Jan 2nd 2008 1:36PM
Grinding=boredom. No thanks there is enough grinding to do in the game. The titles are cool and I wish they would come back but the honor system is much better now.
The afkers do suck but this is not the fix.
Tridus Jan 2nd 2008 1:37PM
The old honor grind system was a disaster. I know more then one person who got GM, and by the end of it was so burned out that as soon as they got it, they either quit PvPing or quit WoW entirely.
The focus of it was simply playing constantly, not on having fun while you were doing it. This is a game, and games are supposed to be fun. The new system lets people go at whatever pace they want, so there is a lot more chance to say "you know I don't feel like doing AV tonight."
Do people really want to give that up in exchange for "if I don't do AV tonight I might not rank up in 3 weeks!!"
David(Postal) Jan 2nd 2008 1:40PM
That's actually what happened to me... I got completely burnt out of WoW after constantly trying to keep up with the ranks, and oh goodness if I had to go somewhere on vacation my honor and rank would go DOWN! After I got my goal rank, I got a new job and that was pretty much the end of my WoW playing until a week ago
Makros Jan 2nd 2008 1:46PM
Actually the old honor grind caused more AFK'ers than the current system. In order to grind rank people would AFK every moment they couldn't actively play, so that they were constantly moving up the ladder.
Buuty Jan 2nd 2008 1:55PM
@ Thead, yes I actually work in a union shop (Fed Gov't)job although I am not a part. You statement is partially true, because I have been promoted over "old schoolers" because of my education and dedication. YOu are right that many times, rewards are given for time invested, but not the best rewards....and skill bringsd those rewards a lot sooner..just like in WoW.
jr Jan 2nd 2008 1:57PM
I don't think we want the old honor grind, just take away the walfare epics that have ruined this game.
theRaptor Jan 2nd 2008 2:08PM
You mean the epics that take longer to get then raiding?