Breakfast Topic: How is your PvP Battlegroup doing?
by David Bowers 
Jan 10th 2008 at 8:01AM
Tell us which faction you play, on which server and in which battlegroup, and then report how things seem to be going for you and your side. Do you always win in some battlegrounds and always lose in others? Or is it 50/50? Do you tend to do better or worse at certain times of day? What seems to make for the difference?
Please try to limit yourself to your own actual observed experience, and refrain from conclusions based on assumptions or guesses. I'm not particularly interested in hearing "Because Horde is better at PvP!" or "Alliance is all 12-year old noobs!" because these answers are just conjecture and don't actually convey any real understanding. If you have some kind of practical knowledge as to why your faction wins or loses a lot, however, then feel free to share that as well.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 9)
russian0609 Feb 4th 2008 11:00AM
Well i am on stormrage, ruin battlegroup. This is what what is has been for the last 5 weeks for 70 pvp.
AV-about 90% alliance wins.
AB-95% horde wins
WSG about 50/50 and takes about an hour :*(
EOTS is about 80% chance of horde wining.
but then i usualy end up as top healer and dps
Chais Feb 11th 2008 7:58AM
I Play Horde On Dragonmaw, Reckoning Battlegroup, And Horde Win Almost Every Game.On Some Occasions Allies Step It Up And We Get Trashed, But That Is Rare.
acdc Feb 14th 2008 3:55PM
I have generally found winning a WG, AB, or EOTS bg to be quite maddening. Desiring a honor reward only to realize it requires marks from one of these BGs tends to piss me off. I found your post interesting and decided to keep track of mine and my wife's results as we try to gear our priest and mage with season one. (Although we played several bgs together I don't consider two people to constitute a premade.).
These results echoed what I expected. In the past it seems that I have had more success in the non-honor weekend bgs, but I have not tracked data on my experience there. I have also recently noticed an alarming trend by the Horde to play defense and force 'turtles' in AV slowing down my honor grind and causing my monitor to be the recipient of a verbal assault.
One last interesting note has been the emergence of 'losing' premades on my server - I say emergence in that I had not ever heard of it before. There was a group that formed a 15-man raid for AB and would allow the horde to 5-cap them for a loss in less than 3 minutes.
Obviously, word of this caused heated discussion on the trade channel, but I must admit I understand their logic. The ability to farm 40 AB marks in about 3 hours and then focus on AV for the honor gains is quite appealling. Much more so than a 40 minute AB 2-3 resource cap loss for one mark and much less honor than I would have recieved spending that time in AV. Just my observations. :}
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Where: Whirlwhind; Echo Isles; Alliance
What: PVP (WG, AB, EOTS, AV)
Type: PuG
Sample: 40 each
When: 1/24 - 2/4 2008 between 4pm and 4am MST
Toon level: 70
Results:
WG: 8-32
AB: 4-36
EOTS: 6-34
AV: 31-9
Nick Feb 8th 2008 11:34AM
Shadowburn:
Alliance : Twisting Nether
Constant 20 losses to 1 win.
Nick Feb 8th 2008 11:35AM
Sorry...forgot to put which BG
Shadowburn:
Alliance : Twisting Nether
AV:Constant 20 losses to 1 win.
EOTS: 3 wins to 1 loss.
WSG: 99% loss rate
AB: 5 wins to 1 loss.
Primaenoctis Mar 21st 2008 8:32AM
Horde in Rampage is the suck. Alliance wins just about anything. Plus AV now has 4 hour wait times which is painful. Knowing that when it does pop it will be Alliance Pre-made for sure. Which is generally a loss for Horde. I do believe that the Horde across these servers came from Blizzard donating WoW to Special Ed schools across the nation. It is simply he only explanation.
-Primaenoctis-
Devany Mar 25th 2008 7:31AM
Bloodlust Battlegroup
AV: 90% horde wins, 10% alliance wins, when they bring a premade or are lucky enough to win a pug (both cases are extremely rare). The Q time for horde is about 1.5 hours on average for AV.
AB: 75% alliance wins, they mostly make premades. When the horde faces an alliance pug, the horde wins about 50% of the time.
WSG: 80% alliance wins, due to premades.
EOTS: 90% alliance wins, they tend to bring premades to this battleground a lot.
In general in this battlegroup, the alliance premades win over horde premades, and alliance pugs vs horde pugs are at about 50-50. Unfortunately alliance makes premades for almost every BG in Bloodlust, so honor grinding here for horde is about 1/3 the speed it is for alliance in this battlegroup.
In other words, don't move to this battlegroup if you are horde.
All Q times except for AV are less than 5 minutes for horde. AV is about 1.5 hours for horde.
Devany Mar 25th 2008 7:45AM
Addendum to my above comment: the data is for the 70's bracket. No clue how the lower BGs are anymore, I don't twink. Not that I have any problem with twinking, but that is another forum :P
TanzanianPeaberry May 19th 2008 5:30AM
I play Horde, Ruin
From my experience in pugs, we do rather well in AB and EOTS. I would say I win 60% of these. WSG is not so good. I would say that we win 40% of these.
AV though, is very bad. I win about 30% of AV. The horde players in AV (ruin) seem to focus more on HK's and revenge kills than actual strategy. We rarely get defense at choke, an when we do, they often don't realize that they need to pull back and defend our base after the alliance caps northern towers.
The alliance, on the other hand, seems to always use good teamwork.
Mollusk Jun 16th 2008 3:36PM
Horde side on Vindication.
WSG, AB, and EotS it's pretty much 50/50
AV, we never have a chance. That bridge has become well known as the Turtle Bridge on my bg. Horde loses about 90% because they never listen, they never care, and some always go afk.
greymaneshaman Jul 1st 2008 12:36PM
I love your post.
Greymane-Horde-lvl 70.
I play mostly during weeknights (later in the evenings) and weekends.
I find that the alliance seem to win 75% of the BGs (WSG, AB, and EotS) but the Horde seems to win about 75% of AV. I play PUGs and I usually stay away from holiday BGs - we tend to get massacred.
I would like to say that the Alliance seems to win 90% of the WSG/AB/EoTS, but I think I may have run to some bad luck at some point. Still, the Alliance seem to dominate EotS and AB; I rarely see a 4 cap/5 cap win for the Horde anymore (if any, recently).
Recently, we've won a few good EotS sessions. A memorable one was when I joined a session in progress. The Horde was behind ~1450 to 1200, 2 towers a piece. In the end, we pulled out a win, with the Alliance having 1950+ points.
I am not sure what it is, but it seems like there are more newbie Horde on this BG. For example, in AB the key (IMHO) is rotate and do not get fixated on a target - the adaptive strategy of defending what is defendable and hitting vacant flags (and making sure there are not 3+ stealthed rogues/druids guarding the visible pally). Instead, the team gets fixated on the Farm and BS. Admittedly, BS is nice to have, but you can still win without it.
AV is starting to become unpredictable. I can never figure out if we are winning or losing. I still think that one of the keys to the new AV is having a strong defense. Slow down the Alliance offense, to give our offense enough time to work on capturing their objectives. Obviously, like any other battle, an adaptive strategy is a winning strategy; AV is no different. I do like the new setup. The Horde really should be back where they are now. That said, that does not help the Alliance, at least not on my BG. BTW: I still don't see why the Alliance captures SF GY. That is a losing strategy; that is just my opinion. Think about it.
Akiratetsuo Jul 19th 2008 8:32PM
Shadowburn
Seems like mostly horde dominate the lower level BGs, but once you get to the 70 ones, they win almost all AV and WSG, but alliance wins almost all AB and Eots. It's kind of frustrating, I have a toon on both Horde and Alliance Baelgun, and no matter which I play it feels like we lose so much because 2/4 BGs I have trouble getting marks for >.< though I suppose it could be worse for one side.
Mangoz Nov 17th 2008 9:48PM
* 10 toons (all alliance) - all types - 2 hunters
* all 10 have done all bgs at:
* 19s
* 29s
* now 39s
* most of my toons not fully twinked, only what i can afford myself (trading stuff and $ to other toons etc...)
* suspect i've done well over 10,000bgs easy...easy...
* full 100 marks for each bg (plus having spent on gear)
* All toons have battlestandards and full bg gear
* obviously i'm only in wsg and arathi at present...
* I now gear 100 marks in advance so when i hit next bracket i'm at least geared with some basic chants (that i can now trade to my alts - ty inscription!)
* Being 100 marks in advance does help as you tend to get more honour straight away instead of having to work your way through it (but let me tell you that first lot of getting in advance was a grind!)
* level observations - 19 - seemed harder than now, but mostly the grinding for marks at 29 in advance - seemed the diff between twinks and the rest way more exaggerated, it was a lot harder to get to 19 with gear without clicking to 20.
* level 29 - seemed ok in wsg, arathi was a bitter pill (cause of that quest to draw noobs in, they got that and left)
* level 39 - finding my feet (finally!), can have a major influence on wsg, have no control over herding cats in arathi it's pure luck if we get a win
* 39 arathi - we get lead and get like 4 bases - then seem to have gotten greedy and lose
* Bloodlust bg (I'm Nagrand)
* Am in Perth Australia - best time i've found is late night (hypothesis - all the kiddies in Sydney have gone to bed)
* daytime and weekend days are terrible for losing, so i wait till night when all the geeks come out...lol...
* Seem to get runs of wins/losses - can't pick
* Bonus honour weekends mostly seem bad, but sometimes get a good run.
* Stats from new achievement panel show not good for Arathi, but ok for WSG, too early to tell.
* Also too easy to skip out on obvious loss when i have 10 toons - this may sway stats, but i dont quit unless it's obvious (see well over 10,000 bgs!)
* Most times seems to be everyone jerking around in arathi till they get into WSG as it tends to be favorable...
* We get LOTS of noob 31s, 30s, 32 with no gear and no trinkets etc...(I highly suspect the achievement thing as of late has brought them out of the wood work - cause before only the people that seemed to know what bgs were - and prepared for them - came.....now some noob 31 says whats warsong gulch achievements? and come...)
* If i'm right on the achievement thing, it has exaserbated the problem because there seems to be like 10,000 diff alliance but i see the same old tired horde twinks day after day - didn't horde get wrath? Go get ya deathknight hordies!
* I suspect it's partly perception, but most of the people that come on alli side STINK....some rare peeps that i see often and we tend to form a side group (cause grouping is unheard of) and protect each other.
* I absolutely love bgs so i put up with noobs and low levels, but it's certainly frustrating more often than not...
Would love to see some global stats re battlegroupings at various levels etc..., percentages etc....maybe the achievement panel will help us decipher whether we are all just saying "we ALWAYS lose", seems the days we 5cap arathi or 3nil wsg no-one complains but it's so much more painful when losing by that much...
Anyways hope this adds some value to someone somewhere, I'll see you in there!!
Mangoz and 9 alts
Klittzy Jan 17th 2009 2:05AM
Reckoning BG
I have no idea where you people are getting such winning numbers.. Alliance have been havin there way with us for a number of weeks...
I understand how we start down sometimes but even when its fair.. unless were start winning off the bat the majority of people cry and go afk till the match is over...
Evenwhen people are playing we lost A LOT.
extremedna Oct 25th 2009 2:00PM
The solution is to mix factions in BGs. I like to pvp i dont care what faction i play, it's not important. I want to win and loose 50% of the time, otherwise it's not worth it. Not fun to win all the time. BGs are the goal to me, not a mean to my goal.
Araan Jan 10th 2008 8:09AM
In the vindication group it seems about equal, with the exception of far more premade alliance groups being in the bg´s
mark Jan 10th 2008 8:51AM
Vengeance:
AV: 50/50
AB: 85% Horde
WSG: 95% Horde
EotS: 85% Horde
TheSloth Jan 10th 2008 8:12AM
Reckoning, I play alliance we loose a lot. Seems horde are generally more coordinated.
MightyIdle Jan 10th 2008 8:37AM
I'm in Reckoning, as well. I'd say Allies lose around 75% on non-AV battlegrounds. I'm in there a lot and it's pretty hard to get a win and complete the dailies.
It was to the point where we were losing almost all AV matches. However, during the last couple of days, it's been about 50/50. The battles have been a lot more balanced and fun for some reason.
Algorithm Jan 10th 2008 10:43AM
I'm Alliance on Smolderthorn (Reckoning)
First of all, I find that who wins in my battlegroup is heavily dependent on two things:
1) When you do it
The later in the night, the more likely that the Alliance are going to win.
Weekends tend to be rather bad for the alliance.
Yet, if I switch around, much of the time, there is a battleground that alliance is winning at that moment.
2) What your gear level is
-On my main, I've done enough battlegrounds to get the season 2 or 3 non-arena pieces (ring, neck, belt, cuffs...).
-Currently, I go to battlegrounds on my pre-kara alt in an effort to get tanking gear.
In my experience, the worse the gear (both sides), the worse the alliance does. Games where it seems it matched high end players and I see several both sides in Season 3 arena gear, there is a higher percent of alliance wins.
AV
I still have won the majority of my AVs, but what used to be a generally guaranteed win is now a pretty unpredictable. Honestly, I'm glad the Alliance lose more, because it makes the games a lot more interesting.
WSG
The games take forever. Since it is only ten players, I don't think it's fair to say that I've noticed a serious dominance of the horde, but I've definitely lost the majority of PuGs.
AB/EotS
The majority of the time, the alliance lose. Like I said, though, sometimes I got 10+ games straight without a loss.