15 Minutes of Fame: Horde of Unschoolers

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What would happen if you let your child stay out of school to explore whatever she is most interested in doing, for as long as she wanted to do it? Would she end up playing World of Warcraft all day long? This week, meet a mom who not only lets her kids play WoW whenever they want to – but many days, she's the first one to log in. For the members of The Venture Co. server's <Horde of Unschoolers>, it's a lifestyle and educational approach that's not as outlandish as it might sound. It's called "unschooling," and thousands of families find it just the ticket to a creative, individualized education.
Meet <Horde of Unschoolers> matriarch Takulah, mom to two WoW-playing unschoolers and a WoW enthusiast in her own right, after the break.
Interest-led learning
Before we talk to Takulah, a little background on unschooling. Also known as "child-led," "interest-led" or "inquiry-based" learning, unschooling is a style of home educating that follows a child's individual and developmental passions. "Interest-initiated learning works well for children with a deep, abiding interest or hobby, as well as for students with clearly delineated goals," writes Karen Taylor in the California Home School Network's The California Home School Guide. On the flip side, she admits, "Some say that unschooling results in educational gaps, holes in a student's knowledge."
Gaps? Many unschoolers worry about those later, rather than sooner. Unschooling is more a whole-family lifestyle than an educational approach or curriculum. Unschooling parents strive to deluge their families in a rich stream of educational opportunities and "real life" experiences. The aim is to give kids not only the space to discover their own interests but also the tools to dive in when they're ready to "fill the gaps" with gusto.
If that sounds like a full-time proposition for parents - it is, and it should be, asserts Dr. Mike Sacken, a professor of education at Texas Christian University in Fort Worth, Texas. "Boy, you can't be casual about this!" he exclaims. "If someone wants to be able to do this, they need to be available full time, guiding the child's inquiry-based learning. It's not like you can leave a child alone most of the time and at the end of the day, you can do reflection with them and they'll have discovered physics. You have to be with them all the time."
Are unschoolers actually succeeding in college and later in life? According to Sarah Spooner, senior admission counselor at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas, they most assuredly are. "These students are really well motivated, have done their homework and done their research," she affirms. "They're the type of students who excel when they get on a college campus because they can keep themselves in check and make sure they're doing well and succeeding."

A horde of unschoolers
15 Minutes of Fame: So here's a question I'm sure you get a lot -- what exactly is unschooling?
Takulah, <Horde of Unschoolers>: Freedom to learn and grow, to explore questions and passions. My job is to help, chauffeur, provide opportunities, share interesting things (goes both ways between kids and parents). The answer to this question is considerable. For lots of information, try SandraDodd.com or JoyfullyRejoycing.com, or Google "unschooling."
How long has your family been unschooling? What got you started?
We've been unschooling just shy of six years now. My 13-year-old got me started when school didn't work for her and a curriculum in a box caused tears and frustration rather than fascination, enjoyment, curiosity.
And so here you are in World of Warcraft. Tell us about the Horde of Unschoolers. What inspired you to start the guild?
An unschooling dad started the guild as a way for kids and parents (most of whom know each other from unschooling conferences) who enjoyed the game to play together.
Are all HoU members unschoolers, or do you allow other members as well?
As far as I know, we're all unschoolers in the guild. It's a place where unschoolers who know each other from conferences or online can play, so there are some parameters.
How old are most guild members?
All ages. There's a group of kids ages 6 to 11 who play almost daily, a few teens who play often and parents who play regularly.
I understand you all use Skype to communicate in game. Is that something you use for other things, too? Have you tried out the in-game chat system?
We use Skype to communicate mostly in WoW, but (also for) other internet things also. Haven't tried the in-game chat system yet.

We don't really have enough high-level characters for a raid ... I did hear of one raid early on that ended in "Run away!" We do a fair amount to dungeons together and help each other level. Some of the kids go to a farm in Durotar or other place and roleplay.
Do your kids have time limits or restrictions on when or how much they can play WoW?
My kids don't have a time limit to play WoW -- and since it is not put on the "Pedestal of Scarcity," it is played freely, like all the other things they do.
Do you consider WoW part of your kids' educational experience?
Everything is educational; learning happens all the time. Anything one does or doesn't do adds information to her body of knowledge, no? For us, WoW has led to many interesting conversations and research. For instance, one time my son and I played with a couple of guys from Brazil. One of the guys only typed in Portuguese; the other guy would translate. We got to learn a few Portuguese words, look up Brazil, check time zones. We got to make a connection with stories from my husband about the time he was in Brazil (seeing shanty towns and eating the most tantalizing coconut pudding).
What's a typical day for your family? How does WoW fit in?
Our typical days are easy going days filled with eating, cooking, playing, questioning, reading, exploring, caring for pets, watching, concentrating, drawing, building, relaxing, pondering, writing, experimenting, researching. WoW is played intermittently through out the day, when I have some time. My son plays for considerable chunks of time with several kids.
Tell us about your family -- ages, WoW main characters, things each character enjoys in game.
I have two kids ages 13 and 9. They both play WoW.
My favorite faction is Horde, and I like ranged attackers -- it is easier to see what is going on around me in the game. My main is a level 68 female troll hunter, Takulah. She's been the pioneer of the game for me, seeing new zones, learning the ropes. I also have a level 49 female blood elf priest (Talukah) who I'm playing in battlegrounds right now, trying to learn to be a better player at PvP. And lastly I have a level 40 male troll mage (Zeb), who is just downright fun. It is so satisfying to throw a Pyroblast and see a nice chunk of health eliminated from my target! Heh, heh. I'm also getting into roleplaying a bit. There's a lot to learn in that aspect. So far, I have basic personalities for my characters and can sort of speak like a troll.
What other games do you play? What about your kids?
WoW is the only online game I like right now. My kids also play Puzzle Pirates, Second Life Teen, Warcraft 3 and Sims.
What does your family enjoy doing when you're not playing WoW?
Scootering, roller skating, knitting, reading, watching movies, swimming, caring for pets, cooking, drawing, building things.
Let's hear it from the rest of the family: what do you enjoy most about playing WoW with Horde of Unschoolers?
Luke, age 9: I don't know ... I just like, love it, I guess! ... questing, dungeon running, roleplaying, stuff like that. (Takulah adds, "Really, I think he is too busy in his life to stop and answer questions; I do see him having lots of fun on the game with his friends.")
Addi, age 13: I'm always excited to gain a new level. I spend my talent points right away. I'm good at organizing groups, I like dueling and I like *cough* killing Alliance *cough*.
Thanks for sharing a look inside your lifestyles and WoWstyles. Best of luck, and happy learning and gaming!
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 6)
Naix Jan 15th 2008 2:30PM
Takulah
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=The+Venture+Co&n=Takulah
She has some nice stuff. But it's all greens! Girl you needs to get yo self some blues if you gonna pvp.
Roll need girl, roll need.
Eldiablohijo Jan 15th 2008 2:30PM
algebra, US History, biology, or a foreign language
Don't know about you, but the only one of those I might need on a regular basis is knowledge of a foreign language. And from the sounds of it they already have worked on that some.
People seem to be missing the fact that this isn't ALL that they do during the day, it's just a part of it.
Aigarius Jan 16th 2008 1:05AM
People that don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Congratulations on getting Bush-ed! Twice!
dpak Jan 16th 2008 1:08PM
As a person who "used" to think that way, and completed college later, I have to disagree 100%.
Education and knowledge is power.
The more you know, the more you are capable of, and the more you are able to make better decisions, in ALL aspects of life.
It takes competence to recognize competence, and that is the crux of many issues ...in both virtual and the real world.
Study some history and socialology....in every society where there was a dictatorship (political, religious, military or otherwise), education is suppressed.
Keep them Fat, dumb, happy or scared, and people will let you get away with anything.
Eldiablohijo Jan 16th 2008 1:34PM
I'm not saying that learning about Historic events isn't important.
I'm just saying how many times throughout your day do you need to know when World War 2 ended?
The purpose of education is to teach people how to learn things for themselves, and to try and get children interested in learning.
I got straight A's in all my math classes when I was younger up and through college. A couple months ago I was presented with the need for a simple alegabra equation. It's been so long since I was involved in that kind of math I had to get a quick refresher.
But in essence as long as these kids parents teach them how to discover and learn things on their own and give them the desire to I think the kids are going to turn out just fine, in fact probably better than 50% of the kids who come out of the educational system.
Rangnark Jan 15th 2008 2:30PM
Man, what a crock of crap. She is doing a major disservice to her children by preventing social interaction at school, preventing them from keeping up with their peers and not limiting their playtime. Sure, school is rough but guess what... so is adult life without mommy paying for your WoW subscription. There's definitely time for video games in life, you but also need to learn a series of academic and life skills and that is hard to do without going to school.
I think that successful homeschooling is possible with a well-educated and committed parent, but I'm not sure that is the case here. I just hope her children are keeping up with their school-educated peers on the standardized tests. If they aren't, maybe it's time to get them back in class before they are totally screwed.
Paw Jan 15th 2008 2:32PM
I have known quite a few home-schooled kids in my life, and I can think of only 2 who actually made it to and/or through college successfully...and not without a lot of struggle with the whole social experience part of it all. So I can't believe that statement about how successful these completely unstructured kids are when they get to college. (Every child psychologist will tell you that kids need a certain amount of structure in their lives relevent to their ages. Without that structure they tend to be unhappy and more disfunctional than their peers who do get said structure). The two kids I knew that went on to college successfully were both incredibly bright and motivated learners who had surpassed their school system's legal ability to promote them to the next level. One started attending college classes when she was 14. The kid enjoyed reading, science (specifically bio-chemistry), math, chess, logic games, etc. Those were her "hobbies", not skateboarding, loafing, or watching TV. All have to say to this woman is congrats on managing to justify your own addictions by somehow tying it to your childrens' education. When they're still camped on your sofa playing video games when they're 35 and 31, you'll have only yourself to blame.
Jack Jan 15th 2008 2:40PM
This is the perfect solution for parents who don't want to take any responsibility for raising their own kids. Why raise your kids when they can raise themselves? If your kid turns out to be a success you can pat yourself on the back for your radical parenting methods. If your kid turns out to the a complete and utter failure at life you can rest easy that it was your child's bad choices, not your nonexistent parenting, that ruined his/her life. Besides, you're not an incompetent parent by neglecting your kids to satisfy your own WoW addiction. No no, you're teaching them "important life lessons", am I right?
finale Jan 15th 2008 3:17PM
I am really curious about what will happen when these kids hit the professional world. What are they going to do when their customer is playing "beat the vendor" and their boss is jumping in their arses with both feet?
Gangstaboo Jan 15th 2008 2:43PM
One of my concerns is the unlimited playing time. Seems like that should be monitored better. As a parent of a 20 year old, if you just let them play...thats all they will do.
Its not restricted to kids either. I find myself wrapped up in hours and hours of gameplay and make myself break away from it...something a kid won't do on their own.
Secondly, I don't see how this prepares these kids for anything real. By staying home they don't interact with other kids their age or know how the world works.
Does she teaches them real world skills like math and english? Do they know about astrology, literature or history?
WOW is great fun..but it is a game made by people who went to real schools and learned real things...not how to kill Hogger or mine Dark Iron Ore.
Don't get me wrong...the school systems are far from perfect...but come on...video games....Second life...is this a joke?...is it?
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Chris Anthony Jan 15th 2008 2:53PM
"Do they know about astrology..."
I certainly hope they don't.
And if the comments to this post are indicative of the kind of person who comes out of the American educational institution, then frankly, I'm rooting for the home-schoolers.
Tzal Jan 15th 2008 3:15PM
Chris- It's not homeschooling though, it's unschooling. Homeschoolers are socially inept, but they generally know math and stuff.
The basic skills to function in society should be forced upon a child regardless of that child's preference. I'm surprised that this proposition is controversial in any way.
Chris Anthony Jan 16th 2008 9:05AM
Tzal, the proposition is not only controversial, it's unworkable on its face. Who defines "the basic skills to function in society"? What are the skills you've decided to "force" on all children everywhere? Why do you think those skills are necessary to function in society? (Hint: for many of them, it's because someone decided that they were necessary, not because they actually are.) And once you've got a skillset that will allow growing children to function in society - a skillset that you're assuming an "unschool" setting won't give them - why do you think it needs to be forced on children?
The American school system is based on the Prussian system, which was explicitly designed during the Industrial Revolution to prepare the lower class for factory work and to prepare the upper class for sitting around and trading Shakespeare quotes. It generates good, obedient workers - not people who can function in society. (Ask yourself how many people you know whom the public school system taught to balance a checkbook or operate a computer with proficiency.) The system hasn't been applicable to the lives American children will lead for decades. It's ridiculous to assume that it's the best model simply because it's been the only model for over a hundred years.
(And I say this, mind, as a product of the American public school system, and as a father whose son is in the American public school system - much to my chagrin, some days.)
You're right, though, that I used the wrong term yesterday. I should have said "home-learners", since that covers both homeschooling and unschooling.
Slayblaze Jan 15th 2008 2:48PM
Some kids respond to a traditional education and some don't. For those who don't, this seems like a very good way of getting a real honest life education. As long as the parents are reasonably smart themselves and attentive to detail (which it sounds the mother is at least) I don't see why this would result in any less of an education than a traditional one would. Now that I think of it, what we consider a traditional education provides a structurally narrow test-score-driven path which is far from ideal.
As long as the "gaps" eventually get filled in as the kids get older, I would highly approve of this method of learning.
Raisa Jan 18th 2008 2:51PM
Not being home-schooled myself I can't speak as to what the experience will be for these children once they enter college but I really don't think, that this article even gives a clear picture of their lives, and nor should it as this entire blog is WoW-centric and we wouldn't be here to read about the alternative educational opportunities available in this country.
It's premature to judge how these children will turn out or how they will function in the "real" world especially when the only piece of their lives that we even have been given a tiny glimpse of is a portion of what they spend their free time doing.
I often think my brother would have enjoyed and learned more from being taught at home, not everyone excels in Public schools, many public schools are overcrowded and the students who are silently struggling, getting by with C's, are neglected they aren't doing well enough to be recognized and pushed forward and they are not doing poorly enough to be given extra help they might actually need. And as far as becoming socially inept, it is possible to become a social butterfly without attending a school environment so long as you interact with the public in some way. Many people make it through all their years of public schooling and come out as socially inept as if they'd slept through the entire thing.
As long as these children can read, perform basic mathematics and are willing to work to fill the gaps they missed by not being forced to attend classes they have no interest in (Which I don't know about the rest of you but I can't remember a thing about calculus a subject I was forced into, or Chemistry for that matter) I see no reason they can't excel in life.
Nusadra Jan 15th 2008 2:55PM
I think the bigger issue is her spec, she isn't maximizing her DPS as a BM hunter. Check out www.bigredkitty.net for some awesome tips and some great reading. As far as unschooling goes, i believe that it could definitely work for some kids, some it wouldn't work for. But she seems to have a good grasp on it and is devoted to her children.
Matt Jan 15th 2008 3:06PM
Sorry,
bad idea...learning from experiances is one thing...having learned 2-3 words in a different language is nothing to be proud about. I have seen versions of underschooling from people i know personally and only one was successful. I would even say he was only successful because hes is so excentric and A.D.D driven that his mind only sticks to something extremely interesting and extremely difficult...he more or less got into film school with having dropped out of HS and editing movies or pieces of game/video footage together into trailers and what not. His family also had a strong background so he had money to waste and tons of resources to learn his craft...
The point being, education requires at one time or another structure and curriculum. I didnt enjoy school nearly at all but i excelled in my SAT scores driving me to college, education has to be taught by someone who actually knows something...not just learned...oh hey portuguese is interesting cause i just saw 3 words of it...imma learn it real fast....not... gimme a break...this is a FTL style of learning
crowsfeet Jan 15th 2008 3:18PM
now if she taught them theory crafting at the level they operate on elitistjerks, that'd be something!
Wildhammer Jan 15th 2008 4:24PM
As a previously homeschooled person, even I have to say this is a little insane. Normally I'm not the person to be such a skeptic of homeschooling, having seen how it has helped me and several of my friends in the past; but this is something totally different. There's absolutely no structure here, it's too all over the place. If you let kids learn on their own time, very little learning will actually occur unless they're very naturally self-disciplined. Still, I could very well be wrong. For all I know they could be very smart, and WoW can certainly help with learning social group mechanics.
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Ktok Jan 15th 2008 3:24PM
I think some of the detractors here are missing the main point.
Children mature and learn better when they are allowed to chase their dreams. Children generally end up neurotic and mentally stunted when they are forced to participate in activities that they abhor.
Example… If you have a kid that wants a microscope and wants to learn about plants, but you say “No kid of mine is going to do that wuss stuff… take this football!” you’ve just screwed up your kid and possible deprived the world of the next Mary Del Chilton.
Guiding and providing are far more vital to a well rounded human being’s development than enforced structure and the wholesale slaughter of individuality that we see in the public school systems. When it comes to nurturing a young mind, one size does NOT fit all, and if you believe it does, you’ve either bought the company line or are the lowest common denominator that the system is geared for.