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1-15-2008 @ 7:18PM
Imp Evis will be more of a benefit then vile poisons. Riposte is the most overlooked talent for combat rogues. Nerves of steel is a whatever talent. Imp sprint is not really needed for gnome rogues. Weapon Expertise is the most useless talent post BC. A better combat build is 17/44/0
1-15-2008 @ 7:44PM
No, do not do what this guy says. Imp Evis is useless because you will rarely if ever be using Evis as a finisher. Rupture or SnD are your two finishers never use anythin else. Evis should only beused in one of two occassions: You have plenty of rupture time left, SnD is nowhere near done and you just happen to have 5 combo points left. Or you're fighting a boss mob with ridiculously low armor, namely Teron Gorefiend in BT and even then it's a toss up. Riposte is also a no. Yes it is the best energy to damage attack a rogue has but it also requires you parry an attack. Quite frankly if you're in a position that you're parrying an attack in a raid, you're doing it wrong (not to mention dead).Drop nerves of still and get imp kick, the silence is good for clearing casting trash mobs.
1-15-2008 @ 7:57PM
To hellshire: If you are not using evis as a combat rogue you need to either respec, reroll, or just stop playing the game.
1-15-2008 @ 8:08PM
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16940-roguecraft_101_a/Learn it, live it, love it.I'll save you some effort and quote the important part."On Eviscerate: at nearly all reachable levels of gear, Rupture will be superior to Eviscerate on any target that isn't immune to bleeds. At 5 CP, Rupture deals 1000 damage plus 24% of your AP for 25 energy, or 40 damage plus 0.96% of your AP per energy. At 5 CP and with T5 2pc, Eviscerate deals 1245 damage plus 15% of your AP for 35 energy, or roughly 35.57 damage plus 0.43% of your AP per energy. Applying 3/3 Improved Eviscerate and 3/3 Aggression (121% modifier), 40% crit and RED (142.4% modifier), and 30% armor reduction (assuming a typical debuffed raid boss), Eviscerate comes to 42.90 damage plus 0.52% of your AP per energy. Thus, Eviscerate holds an advantage of 2.90 base damage per energy, but Rupture gains an additional 0.44% of your AP. At this rate, it takes only 656 AP for Rupture to overcome Eviscerate's base advantage. Simply, in any situation where you can Rupture, you should Rupture."Rupture scales insanely well, evis doesn't. No Raiding rogue will ever use Evis over Rupture. If you can't understand this I suggest YOU reroll.
1-15-2008 @ 11:27PM
Do you actually play a rogue or are you just stupid?
1-16-2008 @ 7:25AM
While Hellfire did a great job of covering why evis is a bad finisher to use in PvE unless your target is bleed immune. He did miss your comment about weapon expertise which is just blatantly wrong. 10 points in weapon expertise provide a 2.5% reduction in dodges as a rogue, which ends up being two of the best placed talent points as a rogue.Riposte is useless in PvE if you are doing your job right. You should not be getting any parries during the fight. Nerves of steel and Imp sprint are just filler to climb higher in the tree. To be honest you would be better off removing a point from Nerves of Steel and Lethality and putting them into vile poisons. Lethality looks great but ends up being a very small fraction of your dps because it only effects certain special moves (2-5% depending on buffs).Try:http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0eboyZGcV0bVzxMGktDownload this and test out your gear and specs to max your dps: http://rogue.raidcal.com/ You can now import your character from the armory saving some time trying to add in all your own gear and spec. Check out the elitest jerks thread Hellfire posted as well for some great info on rogue PvE dps.tl;dr: you are wrong saying expertise is bad and evisc is good.
1-16-2008 @ 9:28AM
Scootie:You're wrong. Dead wrong.Evis is fine on trash... but because it was never scaled post-60 like SS was, Rupture ticks for more damage, every time, than Evis.I routinely have SS's hit for MORE than a 5pt Evis. Which is garbage.For a Rogue with 280+ hit and 2pc T4 (which most rogues will take all the way into BT for the set bonus), the optimal boss rotation is 1 CP into a SnD, then 5 CP Rupt. The only time you'd Evis on a boss is when you've popped your CDs and you're generating CPs faster than your SnD/Rupt rotation would use them.
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