Forum Post of the Day: Auction houses go faction neutral
Mileiamh has posted an idea for an auction house revamp in the official WoW suggestions forums. Because neutral auction houses are located in neutral towns, and are therefore not frequently used, Mileiamh suggests that Blizzard could place faction neutral auction houses in "each of the pre-BC auction houses". He posits that these new additions would "solve bad econom(ie)s on low pop servers" and eliminate the "need for opposite faction auction house alts". Furthermore, Mileiamh reasons that these auction houses would "likely supersede the old auction house" and therefore, could "replace [them] completely".
Seeing "no drawbacks", he seems excited at the prospect that the "items available to both factions" would be "greatly expand[ed]".
Taking the neutral auction houses as proof that "[B]lizzard seem[s] to have no problem with horde and alliance selling things to each other", Mileiamh invites everyone for further discussion. What potential benefits and drawbacks could other players point out?For the most part, responses to the thread have been very positive, so I am going to take some time to point out some of the negatives in order to push the discussion forward.
Blizzard's views on cross-faction trade
While I can't speak directly for Blizzard, I view the evidence differently than Mileiamh does. I feel that Blizzard has taken steps to purposely make some items available only to one faction, or the other. While they can be traded in neutral cities, many players may never even learn of a certain item's existence, making it rare, and therefore more intriguing, especially for collectors and completists.
I also think that as these auction houses are out of the way, and cost so much more to use, this is Blizzard's way of keeping control of cross-faction trade. I don't see why they would completely reverse the situation and encourage cross-faction auctions to equal or take over the usual means of trade.
The solution to "bad economies"
Combining two economies, which are separate entities, would not be the miracle solution that it would appear to be on the surface. If both factions had more supply than demand for cut gems, for example, combining their economies would still lead to more supply than demand.
For any given item, competition could rise steeply. You may have already seen how one tailor on your server can ruin the market for bags. This problem would be compounded, and prices could fall.
For many items, supply and demand, and therefore prices, would stay about the same. For every marketable item that grew in demand, others would fall, and the economy could, in many ways, balance out.
In addition, not every profession translates across the auction house. While enchanters could sell materials, they would still have only their own faction for selling enchants.
The lore logic
Although the alliance and horde have some areas in which they have a semi-truce (Shattrath, for example), they are ultimately at war. It makes no sense to me that my skinner and leatherworker would be working his butt off, paying to level a skill, and spending hours to gather skins, in order for the other faction to then buy them at cheap prices and make armor to protect against me. Nor do I see why blacksmiths would pay to level a skill that would help their enemies forge and wield weapons against them.
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Ryan Jan 16th 2008 10:30AM
Maybe if they halved the neutral AH penalty, otherwise it's only really useful for transferring items to opposite faction alts.
Milktub Jan 16th 2008 10:33AM
I see two outcomes:
1. Deposits and AH cuts for goblin houses remain obscenely high (compared to faction houses). Few additional sales are made on the goblin houses. No change.
2. Goblin deposits and cuts are lowered to equal or near equal to faction houses. Now trying to buy or sell something means bouncing back and forth between AHs.
I'm a supporter. Not an avid supporter, but I'm not going to rally against it.
Jasperwind Jan 16th 2008 10:36AM
I just want the ability to send some gold from my Alliance main to a Horde alt. :(
imparush Jan 16th 2008 1:27PM
U can all rdy do it in the goblins AH
fittiziofittizio Jan 16th 2008 10:40AM
What about putting neutral AH in Shattrat?
Matt Jan 16th 2008 3:01PM
this would cause org and other main cities to go deserted...even if it was just a neutral one i think...just my .02
Lucas Jan 16th 2008 3:55PM
Another problem would be that it would have half the entire sever in it causing even lower frame rate than normal (BC has slightly lower FPs than azeroth because of better textures, I think).
Shawn Jan 16th 2008 10:41AM
I don't care about transferring cross-faction to alts. That only works on CareBear servers. Unless you are addicted enough to pay for two accounts.
Sloegin Jan 16th 2008 10:55AM
Meh. The only reason the neutral AH exists is to try to sell your stuff to the better economy if you're on a faction imbalanced server, or transfer gold and stuff between PVE/RP alts.
Get rid of them. Allow mail to go between all your alts (horde and alli), and/or merge horde and alli AHs into one common realm AH.
Ste Jan 16th 2008 10:56AM
You can mail gold to cross faction alts. You just have to be a bit sneaky. Put something that is usually worthless on the neutral AH up for sale with a buyout of however much gold you want the other alt to send and then just buy the item with your other alt. Easy.
Charles Jan 16th 2008 11:01AM
Can't buy out your own auctions, have to have a friend put the auction up.
Skwidspawn Jan 16th 2008 11:19AM
From a lore perspective I see nothing wrong with this. However from a military perspective I do. No leader in their right mind is going to allow his subjects to sell supplies to their enemies. Thrall will not want the dwarves getting his people's Netherweave, and vice-versa.
From a gameplay perspective I'm all for eliminating the faction specific AHs which exist because of slow implementation on the part of Blizz. Seriously, we just barely got AHs in the major cities the patch before BC, they used to only be in IF, and Org.
Milktub Jan 16th 2008 11:36AM
And that's why the Goblin Houses are a nice fix. Goblins have been able to remain neutral through the mutual aggression between the Horde and the Alliance. Neither side is willing to act aggressively against the Goblins because they have too much to lose (if you want flying machines, you need your goblin buddies to teach you how to run them). So they let the goblins run their own little side business.
Goblins run what is a "grey market", and grey markets, like black markets, will always have a higher middle man cut than open markets.
Liel Jan 16th 2008 12:20PM
Why would Thrall get mad if the orcs were selling to the dwarves? Trade and regular communication between factions is pretty normal in the warcraft novels its part of the lore.
LostOne Jan 16th 2008 11:12AM
Obviously blizzard doesn't want too much crossfaction interaction or else they wouldn't block a player from auctioning something on his alliance character and buying it with his horde (you can't do that, it doesn't let you buy a crossfaction auction if it was posted from the same account).
I think it would be great to have the auctionhouses all be neutral, as long as they cut the deposit fee to what the alliance/horde AH fees are now. The neutral auction houses take something like 10% more cut which is why they rarely get used.
But with both factions sharing the same major city in outlands (Shattrath), I think they should introduce a quest line to learn the languages of the opposite faction so you can chat with them.
Eternalpayn Jan 16th 2008 8:27PM
No. Just no.
Starlin Jan 16th 2008 11:50AM
Perhaps cross-realm auctions houses, like the battlegrounds?
icer Jan 16th 2008 11:58AM
i'm for that 800%
Eleazar Jan 16th 2008 1:41PM
Best idea of the day!