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by Mike Schramm 
Jan 22nd 2008 at 10:01AM
Lurting, as you can see in the video above, is a made-up term for looting during battle. Sometimes, we can't help it (yes, I'm a sometime lurter, too, I'm sorry to say)-- the thrill of seeing shiny sparkles on a foe is just too much. But while it seems like it won't matter, odds are that that's when things will go wrong-- looting not only distracts you from the fighting, but also can cause exactly what happens in this video. If a loot window pops up while you're trying to keep the main tank healed. And it's a distraction that could cost the whole group.
In short, no looting during combat: no lurting allowed. That loot ain't going anywhere, and it's got your name all over it. Wait until all the sheeps are dead, and all the targets are down, and then right click away and claim your goodies.
Filed under: Items, Analysis / Opinion, Fan stuff, Virtual selves, Instances
Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
Nails Jan 22nd 2008 10:44AM
definitely a good way to get stuff to D/E or vendor though
if a window pops up while fighting, quickly hit Need and say it was an accident b/c some douche clicked on a corpse while you were trying to target something
no one will be the wiser
$$$
scott veirs Jan 22nd 2008 10:54AM
Where did you get lurting? Stupid word.
BTW combat looting is for losers that don't know how to play as a team. It distracts everyone from the task at hand.
Angus Jan 22nd 2008 11:10AM
You know, as a melee fighter I do this by accident far too often.
I'll CC a caster in a heroic by simply smashing his face in. Not as efficient as sheeping, but I get the job done and usually don't even need a heal. I turn around click on Skull and around that time the others have managed to drop him. I end up trying to loot him and poof up goes the screen.
Now I'm the guy trying to target the next mob, I have a screen in my face telling me to loot, and I have no issues getting to the target. Why would a healer that should have the MT on focus with macros, targetted, grid, or click on a picture or box to target them have issues?
This is dumb. Looting during combat is only bad if the group is way undergeared, learning the encounter, or poor.
The Fanciest of Pants Jan 22nd 2008 10:53AM
That movie really didn't show anything bad happening as far as I could see >.>
If you don't wipe the group I don't think combat looting is something to get your panties in a bind over, chillax.
(ps. "SICKanery? It's pronounced "SH-cane-ery" learn to say your own guildname eesh.)
p-diddy Jan 22nd 2008 11:03AM
yeah ditto this - did anything bad happen at all other than the sheep de-sheeping without everyone ready?
And where did Lurting come from? Agree with poster above: looting + hurting? Dumb.
I'd personally prefer something like don't "LinC" (sounds like "link") - Loot-in-Combat - not the greatest, but better than "Lurt"
I wonder if there's a add-on that let's you auto-roll need based on your current stats and auto-roll greed based on your alts, or need for BoPs on your current stats, need for BoEs for your alts, and greed for anything else.... hmmmm....
-p-
Nibuca Jan 22nd 2008 12:45PM
Hrm.. I said Chicanery... and it's a blog name, not a guild name. TYVM
mewyn Jan 22nd 2008 11:13AM
To all you DPS classes who think it's a good idea to combat loot, stop it! Healers often get screwed over because of your itchy trigger fingers, and you can get screwed yourself from lack of a heal.
Every time this happens to me I'm always trying to keep the party alive, because someone looted, everyone else stops what they are doing to look at the item, and I never have a chance too take a sufficient look at it. It also makes healing marginally harder during that one point, and it's a distraction. I bet you'd get mad at the healer for not healing you while they take a look at the loot box that came up to see if it is something that they need. It's really not a matter of multitasking or being "too slow". There are many instances that a healer should not be distracted, and that can lead to a death or even a wipe. I take that very seriously, myself.
Second, in a raid, at least with my UI setup, a loot box keeps me from selecting anyone. The prime place for me to watch my global cooldown and all my other cooldowns is to put my raid health bars on the bottom center of my screen. Where does Blizz think a good place for the loot box to go? Bottom center. So, if you'd like to cause a death or wipe, go ahead, loot it. Do it enough and you won't get any heals.
Pzychotix Jan 22nd 2008 3:28PM
1) The loot box is there for three minutes. THREE MINUTES. There's going to be plenty of times you'll have a second or two to look at the item. Ignore any loot boxes that come up until you have a chance to look at it.
2) Any loot that comes up is more than likely trash that should be greeded anyways. What possible loot can come up in that loot box that would warrant concern before combat has ended? There's no possible way you'd want greens, and boss loot doesn't come until combat is over already.
3) Raid looting: Smash your guild's raid leader for not assigning a master looter. Seriously. This should never be an issue.
JPN Jan 22nd 2008 11:19AM
Would be nice if they had a setting in Interface - "Disable looting during combat" OR if a party/raid leader could set this for an instance, along with looting options. Would fix the problem of both accidental combat looting (cooting?) and the impatient people.
Freehugz Jan 22nd 2008 11:22AM
I HEAR LOOT IS BETTER IN COMBAT
p.s. lurting = worst word ever, if anyone ever uses it in my group i'm kicking them for word stupidity
scott veirs Jan 22nd 2008 1:16PM
Good idea, "I'm sorry what did you just say? Player has been removed from group" MUAHAHA, damn, we need a replacement.
:P
Richard@Home Jan 22nd 2008 11:24AM
Seem to me this could be solved if Blizzard added a 'you cannot loot while in combat' check.
Granted there might be a few encounters where you have a couple of waves of mobs with no down time between, but they don't last forever.
Tim Jan 22nd 2008 12:07PM
We don't need a restriction to looting while in combat. The last thing you need is to need a loot item for a quest, knowing you are all going to wipe but not being able to pick it up because of a silly restriction. Just think before you loot or find another party.
Daggar Jan 22nd 2008 12:16PM
I'll make you a deal. You stop running off before I'm done drinking and I'll stop looting while you are fighting. As a healer, I have some breaks in the battle to drop a shift+r-click on a corpse. It really speeds things up since I have to use almost all my time between battles drinking (or chasing impatient tanks.)
If its anything more than a green drop you should pass and figure it out later anyway. And if you are in an instance where you have to look at a green drop to see if its an upgrade, you might not be in the right place...
A random healadin
Helm Jan 22nd 2008 12:18PM
... I've 'lurted' all the time and have no problems with paying attention to everything around me. I guess some people just can't do it, but it's never been a problem for me.
But then again, I'm a tankadin. I can just spam consecrate and walk away to make a sandwich.
Ezzy Jan 22nd 2008 12:17PM
:-\
Ok, in raid instances pretty much you have to loot as you go because you are chain pulling or its Hyjal where you dont get a chance to stop. Actually in Hyjal we are encouraged to loot as soon as possible so that the ML doesn't miss loot. It should be ML so that if something does drop the ML can loot it afterwards.
In guildee dungeon runs we have the loot set to Rare, so everyone can pick up the greens where we later trade if someone actually needs something, though highly doubtful. (BOP Recipes still come up for a roll.) Guildee runs are also chain pull-fests so pick it up if you see it.
If I were in a pug and someone told me I couldn't loot in combat because people would get distracted I would just leave group. I don't have time to babysit or hold people's hands.
Joe Klinkhoff Jan 22nd 2008 6:31PM
I also agree that looting during combat is bad. It IS distracting -- and if your mob drops more than a single rollable item now the windows are stacking (have had this happen in WC ,more than once) Now a third of my screen is blocked and combat is still going on. Makes healing hard, blocks your view. It means you are not doing your job, you are letting the group down. YOU SUCK. These are the same people who get the piece of loot they came for and drop out of a group. . . they are self-centered and instead of kicking such people the group should be able to TURN on them and destroy them for their stupidity (which of course would include the obligatory kick after their untimely demise)
Yeah it happens by accident I have done it myself, before i knew the key commands for targeting. . . .
Also, it shows immaturity and lack of responsibility in a group. If your a group leader explain the rules while waiting the normal 20+ minutes it takes for the group to assemble.
People who want to group should learn the rules of grouping. Know your role. Be responsible for your role.
Recently a group of players I normally grouped with rolled new chars. A Holy Priest, Protection Warrior, Retribution Pally and Elemental Mage. (Ravencrest server, alliance, all redheaded females, watch out we are coming for you) By playing together and teaching each other our roles and responsibilities we group every weekend and clear the next instance in record time, no deaths. (Deadmines 1.5 hours, no deaths, not even in the forge!, Stockades 1 hr, no deaths) And we love playing, the instances are more enjoyable, no drop out in the group, no battle looting, we break after e ach wave for looting, heals, water etc.
Hate stupid groupings can you tell. . . . .
Pzychotix Jan 22nd 2008 3:31PM
I hear WC is srs bzns.
huntering123 Jan 27th 2008 9:33PM
lol OMG lurting...looting during its not that big of a deal OMG LURTING!!!111oneone i never loot in instance groups i always pass...on boss loot unless i need it i never greed greens and NEVER loot the bodies and i still get yelled for not looting even after combat..truth is if i dont loot right away i forget to loot anyway looting between the time you kill the target and switch between the next isnt that bad
Nibuca Jan 22nd 2008 12:52PM
WRT "Lurting is a sucky word"
I didn't actually invent the term.. I think it was "invented" by Grimr (another person in our guild). It's the tongue tied word that comes out when you try to say "DON'T LOOT DURING COMBAT" too fast and "LOOT DURING COMBAT" gets all mangled together into the word "lurt" Lurt seems like a perfectly good verb and we've used it ever since then.
As seen in the video, the whole guild uses the term.
No, we aren't clearing SSC or TK. We're in Kara and having a grand old time.
No, lurting isn't the end of the earth. But if you build bad habits now you will continue to have those bad habits later. Enough people find lurting distracting you should consider not doing it if only as a common courtesy.
Yes, I've considered hitting need on all lurted items. At one point, because of the design of my UI, grid (which I use for healing) showed up behind the loot window.. so if the loot windows was up, I couldn't cast heals.
Lurting is bad, don't do it.
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