What are heroics for?
by Adam Holisky 
Jan 26th 2008 at 6:30PM
Recently a couple of my guild mates ran Heroic Underbog with a few pug members. Life was good, they made it up to the first boss, Hungarfen, and got him. The odd part happens with the loot. A rogue could have used the Boggspine Knuckles that the boss dropped. However a friendly lock decided that this was a badges run, and not a gearing one. He decided that instead of passing on the item, he was going to need all blue items and shard them. Lo and behold, the lock did just that. Anger ensued, and instead of moving on happy, everyone left quite mad.Now of course, this sounds like just another pug horror story. What makes it different from that is this lock actually went on to defend his actions, and really stood by his convictions. My first reaction is to balk at this, and say this is never acceptable. However thinking a little beyond that, I've got to wondering if this is a practice that perhaps happens elsewhere. Perhaps this guy is from a different server with a different culture, where heroics are just meant for badges and gear gets auto-sent to the DE factory.
So my question to you, WoW Insider readers, does this kind of thing happen legitimately anywhere else, or is this just another case of another bad pug story?
Filed under: Items, Instances, Analysis / Opinion
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Gilias Jan 26th 2008 6:35PM
An item is sharded only if nobody in the group needs it. This lock needs to have an item he wants sharded in front of him and see how he feels about it. Just hearing about it made me angry, and I don't even know anyone involved.
Erika Jan 26th 2008 6:52PM
I agree 100% i almost killed something when i heard this too.
Alch Jan 26th 2008 6:37PM
That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You only DE when no one can use an item.
wondermutt Jan 26th 2008 6:42PM
Gilias has it right, this Lock is out of his mind.
I start to question any person in a PUG situation that even mentions anything about enchanting or DE'ing items.
If you and some very close friends have a prior conversation and all agree that all items will be DE because you are all epic'd out the wazoo, have at it. Just let me know you are the group from hell so I can run.
storment Jan 26th 2008 6:38PM
Heroics are for loot AND badges. Badges give those that never seem to get the loot they want to drop a chance to select their loot from a buffet. Loot ninjas should be killed.
Charlie Jan 26th 2008 6:39PM
If the group said before the run than all gear was to be sharded, no matter what it is, then the locks actions were defendable, as thats what the group agreed upon.
Otherwise, if this was a normal run with no explicit rules, then the lock acted out of place. Normal Pug rules are need before greed. A gear upgrade always takes precedence before a shard.
Verit Jan 27th 2008 10:01PM
Are you serious? If someone wants something - they get to roll on it - period.
Besides - if someone said that at the start of a run - that would be the end of the run for me.
Dan Jan 26th 2008 6:39PM
As far as I'm concerned an enchanter should NEVER need an item they want to D/E, it's your trade, not the groups and they shouldn't have to suffer because you want to make money.
GreatLich Jan 26th 2008 8:04PM
Well, No... what's better: a chance at a blue you have no use for, or a chance at a shard you have a use for?
I think it's common practice to shard an item no-one wants and then do a /roll to see who gets it? Ofcourse I don't know what a shard is worth on your server... on mine they're 22 gold, no blue I've ever seen vendors for that much...
springz Jan 26th 2008 10:29PM
@7 Ofcourse a shard is better than vendoring a blue, but apparently you are not reading properly. If someone NEEDS the blue as an upgrade to their gear, obviously this takes priority, and also besides that, an enchanter NEVER needs on blues to D/E.
Starayo Jan 27th 2008 1:23AM
As far as I'm concerned, an enchanter should never need a blue for disenchanting, unless the rest of the group has greeded, or someone has greeded by accident, and it is decided as a group that the item is to be disenchanted.
My main is a 375 enchanter. What I want to know is, did the lock keep the shards or distribute them. If he handed them out, he's just an idiot, if he kept them, just a plain old loot ninja.
Kadathwack Jan 26th 2008 11:58PM
The lock really stepped out of bounds. If there was another person in the group that wanted to make use of the item, it's better off in his hands than it is as a shard.
PuGs are just God-awful things though. More proof that you aren't always on the same page, and need to set down some clear rules on loot before you start your killing. I do hope that rogue got his weepwn later on.
Itchster Jan 26th 2008 6:50PM
If somebody needs the loot then they should always get it, even if it is some sort of sharding run (I've honestly never even heard of such a thing before, it just does not happen on our server in PUGs).
Meira Jan 26th 2008 6:58PM
"Perhaps this guy is from a different server with a different culture, where heroics are just meant for badges and gear gets auto-sent to the DE factory."
If that server exists, must be Devil's Chateau.
He is just a moron, no one with the minimum decency would even think such stupidity. Ask first, DE later (if no one needs, ofc), never the opposite.
Now I don't know which stupidity is more stupid, this one or the one that I had with an warlock while fighting the second-to-last boss of SL (can't remember the name) "AV's up!" (Locktard quits the group, you almost wipe! Woot!)
Zach Jan 26th 2008 7:06PM
Universal opinion would be... the 'lock's a 'tard.
Telcontar Jan 26th 2008 7:09PM
The rogue can't be too bright if he wants a 2.6 speed offhand.
Lucas Jan 26th 2008 8:32PM
Hehe, yeah. Its one of the few weapons in the game that specifically caters to an enhance shaman (I've seen two above green level, it and the slow offhand in ZA).
Gilias Jan 26th 2008 7:13PM
This, ironically, also reminds me of a lock on my server who decided that he (a Scryer) was going to roll need on all Fel Armaments because he could use them to trade for the Arcane Tomes. We balked at this and he really stood his ground and said that he had the right to roll need to get something he wanted. Eventually, what came down was a rule that all rep items were to be greeded on only.
I dunno. Must be something about locks. :-)
Eleazar Jan 27th 2008 12:34AM
That's honestly not that unreasonable, in fact this is more fair IMO.
Leisha Jan 27th 2008 7:49AM
This is fine. I've been in groups where everyone greeded the tomes/armaments and, if people got the "wrong" one, they would simply trade with whoever was in the same situation but of opposite faction (within the group or later).