Curse launches oddly familiar WoW database
There are quite a few WoW database sites out there. Thottbot was the first big one that I was aware of; other big sites include Allakhazam, the Goblin Workshop, and of course Wowhead. Then there are some lesser-known contenders (at least to me; it took me a bit to come up with them), like WoWd.org, WarCry (I use their news constantly, but never saw the database), GameAmp, WoW Guru, WoWDigger, and TenTonHammer (again, I know TTH for news, but didn't know they had a DB).
And now Curse, long one of the big names in Add-On and news sites, is throwing their hat into the ring with the very capitalized WOWDB, which appears to be in beta right now. It seems like a pretty complete database; it's got all the items, quests, NPCs, and so on that you would expect from a serious act like Curse. But hold on a minute, doesn't it looks a bit similar to a certain other WoW database siteof which Curse doesn't seem to be too fond? (Update: Curse has contacted us to say that the linked article wasn't written by anyone on their staff-- instead, it was posted by a user of their site, and that they have no ill will towards Affinity Media or Wowhead). Ignore the Wrath of the Lich King-esque blues for a second, and...oh. Oh dear. Well, at least it's a good design they're copying from, I suppose. See the gallery below for more comparison screenshots. What do you guys think -- is this within the bounds of inspiration and homage, or a blatant rip-off?
Update: Someone named Kody, who claims to be a representative of Curse, has appeared in our comments, and claims that Curse has obtained an "exclusive content contract" with WoWWiki for the use of their information. An interesting claim, especially since most of the content on WoWWiki (written by users) should be covered under Wikia's terms of use and the GNU Free Documentation License, and thus available for use to anyone who credits and sources it. We've sent requests to both Kody and WoWWiki for more information.
Another update after the jump.
Update 2: Kevin Van Ness, Content and Community Manager for Curse, has officially responded to us, saying that he recognizes the similarity between the two sites, and says it's the result of the creator, who had previously been working on a Lord of the Rings Online database that was also very similar to Wowhead, creating a design that was "very much inspired by Wowhead." (WoW Insider notes that it is up to Wowhead, the originators of the design, to decide whether it is a result of inspiration or a blatant ripoff.)
Van Ness also points out that the WOWDB design includes a number of unique features, and says that Curse will implement more in the future.
On the subject of WoWWiki, Van Ness says that Curse entered an agreement with WoWWiki to create a portal to the wiki via their site, and it is WoW Insider's belief that their use of WoWWiki content on WOWDB falls not under any "exclusive contract agreement," but under the standard Wikia Terms of Use, which allow any site to reprint Wikia content, as long as it is sourced, credited and licensed appropriately.
Update 3: WoWWiki (and Wikia) have confirmed the information above.
And now Curse, long one of the big names in Add-On and news sites, is throwing their hat into the ring with the very capitalized WOWDB, which appears to be in beta right now. It seems like a pretty complete database; it's got all the items, quests, NPCs, and so on that you would expect from a serious act like Curse. But hold on a minute, doesn't it looks a bit similar to a certain other WoW database site
Update: Someone named Kody, who claims to be a representative of Curse, has appeared in our comments, and claims that Curse has obtained an "exclusive content contract" with WoWWiki for the use of their information. An interesting claim, especially since most of the content on WoWWiki (written by users) should be covered under Wikia's terms of use and the GNU Free Documentation License, and thus available for use to anyone who credits and sources it. We've sent requests to both Kody and WoWWiki for more information.
Another update after the jump.
Update 2: Kevin Van Ness, Content and Community Manager for Curse, has officially responded to us, saying that he recognizes the similarity between the two sites, and says it's the result of the creator, who had previously been working on a Lord of the Rings Online database that was also very similar to Wowhead, creating a design that was "very much inspired by Wowhead." (WoW Insider notes that it is up to Wowhead, the originators of the design, to decide whether it is a result of inspiration or a blatant ripoff.)
Van Ness also points out that the WOWDB design includes a number of unique features, and says that Curse will implement more in the future.
On the subject of WoWWiki, Van Ness says that Curse entered an agreement with WoWWiki to create a portal to the wiki via their site, and it is WoW Insider's belief that their use of WoWWiki content on WOWDB falls not under any "exclusive contract agreement," but under the standard Wikia Terms of Use, which allow any site to reprint Wikia content, as long as it is sourced, credited and licensed appropriately.
Update 3: WoWWiki (and Wikia) have confirmed the information above.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 5)
Nywro Feb 4th 2008 9:31PM
wowdb seems to include some of the things that wowhead requires greasemonkey to be installed to use as opposed to being base features at least for the time being.
Erik Feb 4th 2008 10:02PM
I wonder if Curse knows that even if a script isn't copywritten, it's still the right of the owner/creator. If WoWHead wants to, they have every right to sue for the rip-off.
Kody Feb 4th 2008 10:12PM
A script? You realize no code was taken from Wowhead at all, right? The database has been in development for 6 months -- I doubt it took that long to simply copy/paste code on a handful of web pages.
zdp Feb 4th 2008 10:13PM
I think the wowdb site is pretty nice actually. Their 3d modeller is much nicer than wowhead and i like that you can model it on a character based off of one of your wowarmory toons.
... and I don't think that Wowhead would sue for over a layout... come'on now. Has this world really gotten so sue-happy over every piece of "copyright"?
Addie Feb 4th 2008 10:22PM
It's such a blatant copy - practically just skinned. I wonder if wowdb (curse) actually licensed the code from wowhead?
Eliah Hecht Feb 4th 2008 10:23PM
No, Curse didn't get permission to steal this.
n00b Nov 30th 2008 11:15PM
Its not a huge intellectual leap to see why they would sue…
If company A spends x amount of time and money creating a product. Company B then comes along steals the product and spends y amount of time and money changing it and making it ‘better’. Not only is y < x but company B is now in direct competition with a ‘better’ product and all poor company A is left with a gaping hole so large even goatse would be proud.
vlad Feb 5th 2008 3:23PM
the curse site has always been a notorious slug of a site. slow as hell due to bad coding and a sloppy DB and uncompressed graphics. tis gotten a bit better but it loads like crap compared to wowhead. and simply copying wowhead is pure fail for originality.
Izzy Feb 4th 2008 11:07PM
So... Take WoWhead's layouts and throw information straight from WoWWiki (Though it is credited) and you have WOWDB.
Nothing new... just copies...
Kinda sad if you ask me.
Kody Feb 4th 2008 11:50PM
The difference here is Curse actually has rights to post content from WoWWiki onto WOWDB, as the two companies signed an exclusive content contract last summer.
Eliah: Please inspect the source of both websites before making such slanderous claims of "stealing."
Cynra Feb 5th 2008 8:48AM
@ Kody
As someone who has somewhat extensive experience in webdesign (I've been doing it for a little over a decade now, having put myself through a year of college on my commissions alone), I can without a doubt say that you can mimic the general look of a layout without actually taking the code letter by letter. A lot of webdesign is preference and style as opposed to rigid rules - though there are commonly accepted standards - and the same effect can be recreated numerous different ways that aren't even coded the same way.
I can take a layout, code it using entirely CSS, and then turn around and duplicate the same layout using just tables. Or a variation of the CSS. Will the code look similar? No. But does the content/layout? You're damned right it does! So please don't use the code as the sole basis of comparision; that's a fallacy and reveals little understanding of webdesign.
As a webdesigner, I view the theft of layouts with contempt. While you see the same basic arrangement of content over and over (one row/two columns, three columns, whatever), and find that certain data is best presented in a specific way, this just looks like blatant copying. Whoever designed Curse's interface with the database wasn't just "inspired" by WoWHead.
Cynra Feb 5th 2008 9:17AM
Also, I'd like to add that the word should be "libelous" as opposed to "slanderous". Slander refers specifically to spoken words or gestures; libel refers to everything else, but is normally considered in reference to the written word. The difference is how long the offending form exists. As Eliah's comment was made online via the typed word, the appropriate term would be libel.
Furthermore, defamation (a term that encompasses both libel and slander) is typically limited to groundless or false claims, such as ones intended to poorly reflect on or do harm to an individual or body. After a comparision between the appearance of the two websites (and the fact that, as competitors, they're probably not giving permission to each other to use their efforts), a person can probably state in good faith and with reasonable belief that some sort of theft likely occured.
However, this is the internet and a WoW community to boot, so the difference is probably moot. I use neither site, to be honest. However, mimicking the design of your competitor's website is a grievous faux pas and - given the reactions of many people who have commented here - has reflected poorly on Curse.
Sanklovich Feb 4th 2008 11:54PM
Nothing new? what about user edited/submitted map locations, what about wishlists, quest maps, full set models on all races/genders(that I worked my ass off on thank you very much), and search assistant. So maybe you should actually check something out before you insult something.
dart Feb 5th 2008 12:59AM
If you are so proud of those things, Make them stand alone, not leeching off the hard work of WoWHead.
Menehune Feb 5th 2008 12:06AM
Wow, full on copy of design and formatting! At least they could have tried to not to copy that fugly filter form and come up with something a bit more savvy and usable, such as facet filtering of search results. /meh..not impressed.
Tekkub Feb 5th 2008 12:56AM
Someone pass the popcorn, this is shaping up to be some good entertainment... you know, writer's strike and all.
Fisker Feb 5th 2008 1:18AM
Kody, are you kidding me?
The content on WoWWiki is distributed under the GNU FDL, you are allowed to replicate any of the content, provided that you leave the proper copyright and license intact.
(Neither WoWHead or you do that though)
So i don't know what "exclusive content" contract you have, but it's definitely not on the WoWWiki content as that is a clear breach of the GNU FDL.
/popcorn
Kody Feb 5th 2008 1:40AM
Yeah sorry, I should have gone into greater detail but I've had to be brief today because of how busy I've been. The agreement with Wikia made porting WoWWiki's content over much easier, as we have access to Wikia's suite of gaming wikis for all of our major game portals on Curse.
Charlie Taylor Feb 5th 2008 1:26AM
screw the popcorn, I'm grabbing brewskies and a lawn-chair!
Fel Feb 5th 2008 3:25AM
Next week's news: Over the heated debate of Curse's new WOWDB, Wowhead has now filed a class-action lawsuit etc etc...
I've always hated Curse anyway.