The reason people always find reasons to fight, are because of posts like yours. I almost couldn't see the logic of your argument through the haze of elitism.

"Now we know that certain people on our servers who have no -right- (based on their skill and committment level) to just wander into the Black Temple or Mount Hyjal."

What gives -you- the right to judge who has a right to do anything in this game when they pay the same 15$ you do to play. Some people have a life, or little time to dedicate to the game simply because real life demands most of their time. I would love to be a hardcore raider, really I would. But I can only manage to raid on the weekend, that's it, and sometimes my guild doesn't even raid on the weekend. But that's life, tough crap for me. I'm happy I even get to go raiding.

I would love to see BT/MH/TK/SSC, not even for loot, just to see it. And Blizzard is offering me that chance. Good for them. I still doubt i'll even see any of it before WotLK comes out. I just don't have the time. But for people who can manage to put out a little more time than I can, they will get the opportunity.

"If you don't believe that would be frustrating, then you need to get a little less freaking self-centered."

Don't get me wrong. I see your side of it too. However, all you hardcore raiders need to state your position with a little less elitism, and a little more decency. It makes it hard not to bash on you or fight back when all we can gather from your posts are "Nubs this, nubs that. We R teh l33tz!" Perhaps stating your position decently, and diplomatically will win more support, and less opposition. That won't always be the case, but alot of the fights going on about this topic are started because of elitist posts, and casual gamers defending their right to endgame content and being tired of the brand "nub".

I can't imagine how frustrating, and long, not to mention how hard you had to work to get attuned. Really, I can't. Perhaps raiding would seem more like a job than something fun to do in an otherwise bland existance at 70. Congrats to you, and I mean that sincerely, not sarcastically. You worked through it, struggled though it, and put hours, and hours of work into it. For that, I admire you, and congratulate you for your efforts. Does that make you the greatest players in WoW? No, it does not. It just means you were able to work through the difficulties and put the time and dedication in it. It's the same as the PvPer that owns the PvEr in a duel, or the PvPer that fails horribly in instances.

Despite the lack of attunement, I highly doubt this will change too much. Guilds looking to hop suddenly into these high end raids are going to get raped mercilessly. That in turn, means that after a thorough beating in these high end raids, they'll have to go back and do it in the right order, and progress. The lack of attunement will make it shorter, but I can promise you that they will have to work just as hard for it, and maybe harder if they're "less skilled". If you see these guys spamming the BT general channel with "Omg ur guild sukz, this iz so eesy!", and they have less than t5/6 gear, then perhaps they are just that damn good, and perhaps better than you, for getting through it undergeared. But a whopping 99% of guilds looking to take advantage of the no attunement change, they are going to have to do it the old fashioned way, minus the quest lines.

This does not mean I completely agree with all of blizzard's changes. The possible addition of t6 quality gear via the badges, is a terrible change....and I believe that is what is pissing the hard core raiders off the most. That possibility will make the casual Kara raider able to do his Kara runs and gear up to t6 level. I disagree with that. -That- takes away the challenge, not the attunement. The attunement were just quests. You had to farm those raid bosses for the gear, and that was the hard part, not exactly the attunement quests (Or rather, the harder part of it.). So yes, I take the side of the hardcore raiders on that. However, I still don't think it will change things. A fully kara-geared raid cannot just waltz in, and wipe Kara down. It still requires strategy, period. So just because some idiot bought his t6 with badges, doesn't mean him and his guild can beat BT. They still need to practice, work together, and play smart.

Lastly, in an attempt to get the Hardcore raiders who are disgruntled over this, to look back on the subject in a new light, think of this. Who were the ones who got there first? You. Who were the ones that -did- the attunement quests to get in? You (Although a crappy, lame, boring title is all you get...which is a load, imo.). Who will be going to the Sunwell 25-man first? You will. And who will put it on farm first? You will. You're still more advanced than anyone else, and you're still at the forefront. Stop feeling so threatened. You're the first, and you can prove that. So let everyone else have their fun please.