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2-08-2008 @ 11:05AM
Oh my gosh. Why doesn't Blizzard just release AV as a separate game, the way people carry on about it, do all this research, computations, etc.All this AV BS reminds me of politics; both sides come up with all this data to support their fact, and in the end, you can find some research to support both sides, so what's the point?
2-08-2008 @ 11:18AM
The point, if you bothered to read, would be that the article is in despair over why changes are occurring, not the changes themselves.If the motive for change is that a bunch of your players threw a hissy fit and didn't adapt to the times then it's a very, very bad thing. Like the article says, it sets an extremely bad precedent for customer relations. What's the point of being reasonable and intelligent when the exact opposite is what effects a change?Ultimately I hope the upcoming changes will promote more fairness, but at the same time continue to make the game impossible for those trying to play it the same way they did before.
2-08-2008 @ 11:42AM
Don't worry, I read the article. I read about Galvandar, and the bridges, and ledges, I saw the screenshots, I get it. I've also read countless articles here and other places defending WHY AV is or was imbalanced for either side.
2-08-2008 @ 1:58PM
Personally, I found this article pretty biased and misleading. First of all, "The Alliance" is a fictional faction in a computer game. Treating it with an overarching personality is just flat out dumb. Until you can show me a psychological experiment that shows that the alliance are categorically dumber, whinier, etc. please consider that there are, on average, the same people behind both keyboards.Second of all, my battlegroup has the Alliance winning AV. Some battlegroups the Alliance don't queue up (WoWInsider really needs to stop using the word boycott, because if the Alliance were organized enough to do that, they would probably be organized enough to win). Same exact battleground. Same exact factions. Completely different results.Finally, here are a lot of things in this article that are just misleading:-Iceblood Pass is comparable to Stonehearth NOT Dun Baldur. Dun Baldur has a single bridge, just as the horde base has a single tower which dismounts and is within arrow range of two towers (I could actually argue why this is better). -Horde will reach Stonehearth Bunker before the Alliance. "Defending" Stonehearth is actually attacking it.-The quest text is a result of "popular culture." In this case forum WoW culture. It isn't Blizzard admitting anything. -You could argue "Skip Stormpike" to your skip IBAlso, the common argument that the horde should win all of the sudden after a long period of the alliance winning is easily countered by "the alliance should win this one, since the horde dominate them in other battlegrounds."
2-08-2008 @ 2:08PM
"First of all, Alterac Valley has geographically favored the Alliance ever since its inception. This is just a fact."I do not accept this "fact" and I played Horde nearly exclusively pre-BC.
2-08-2008 @ 2:53PM
Darian said: "If the motive for change is that a bunch of your players threw a hissy fit and didn't adapt to the times then it's a very, very bad thing. Like the article says, it sets an extremely bad precedent for customer relations. What's the point of being reasonable and intelligent when the exact opposite is what effects a change?"It has worked for Liberals for the last 20 years, so the precedent is long...
2-08-2008 @ 3:29PM
I too disagree that Alliance have a terrain advantage. Yes we have a *bridge* as a defendable chokepoint - but Horde have a *DOORWAY*. The only way to get to the E-W frostwolf towers is a *DOORWAY* (yes I said that twice!)Actually 2 Doorways...tiny little things...look at how wide the Alliance bridge is in comparison. When it come to defensible positions, there is no contest - Horde have a much much easier time blocking that doorway if they are determined to stop Ally forward progress there: there is NO WAY through there if Horde masses a defense.And that is exactly what they are starting to do in my battlegroup - I'm Alliance. Happened several times in a row last night, and ends up a stalemate...eventually Alliance has to just afk-out because there is no way you can get through a doorway that literally has 8 Hunter frost-traps in it, flares too so can't stealth in. Even if you do get through it is a steep uphill which is massed with 30 or so horde, not to mention Bowmen from the towers.I know that Alliance could do a similar turtle, but the point is that getting over the bridge is much easier that getting through that final door to the Horde base.
2-08-2008 @ 7:19PM
@Algorithm,This Article is biased. Yes, but I'm sure you'd think http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/16/the-av-map-imbalance-in-patch-2-3/is non-biased.
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