The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Learning how to wipe

The Care and Feeding of Warriors would like to pretend to be an exhaustive and comprehensive overview of warrior issues. Unfortunately, they're letting Matthew Rossi write the thing, and he's equal parts obsessed maniac, egotistical loon and occasionally informed poster. Proud pappy of three level 70 warriors, we think he may have been dropped on his head a lot as a child. That would explain why he enjoys playing the class that gets hit all the time.
Playing World of Warcraft is supposed to be fun. I know I play for enjoyment. In the past I've done so through PvP, although I was never as much of an enthusiast as some warriors. Lately, I've gotten back into raiding, mostly because I have a lot of experience tanking and I found guilds looking for a dedicated prot warrior. In the short time that I've been with my new guild, I've gone from tanking A'lar in blues and greens to gearing up in Karazhan and the lairs of Gruul and Magtheridon respectively. These 'loot runs' aren't progression, and so they feel less 'real' as a tank than Zul'Aman, Serpentshrine and Tempest Keep do (Kael and Vashj are all that stands in our way now) because they lack that one crucial element that sets aside 'real' progression tanking.
Wipes. They lack the endless wipes. We wipe in ZA, SSC and TK because we're still learning them. For some reason, I've come to associate real progression in raiding with wiping over and over again, watching incremental progress as people come to understand the fight. From the first time I killed Nefarian, a fight that took us several days and quite a few wipes to master, I seem to have been hard wired to accept wiping as part of the process. If you want to kill the bosses you have to die first. As a tank, one of the harder lessons you'll ever learn is in dealing with this expensive and often personally aggravating necessity of raiding. You have to grow a thick inner skin, not allowing the setbacks and odd quirks of a particular fight (A'lar won't move platforms, Tainted Cores aren't being handled fast enough, people are grouping up too much on Shatters) to frustrate you or cause you to start pointing fingers at people.
Playing World of Warcraft is supposed to be fun. I know I play for enjoyment. In the past I've done so through PvP, although I was never as much of an enthusiast as some warriors. Lately, I've gotten back into raiding, mostly because I have a lot of experience tanking and I found guilds looking for a dedicated prot warrior. In the short time that I've been with my new guild, I've gone from tanking A'lar in blues and greens to gearing up in Karazhan and the lairs of Gruul and Magtheridon respectively. These 'loot runs' aren't progression, and so they feel less 'real' as a tank than Zul'Aman, Serpentshrine and Tempest Keep do (Kael and Vashj are all that stands in our way now) because they lack that one crucial element that sets aside 'real' progression tanking.
Wipes. They lack the endless wipes. We wipe in ZA, SSC and TK because we're still learning them. For some reason, I've come to associate real progression in raiding with wiping over and over again, watching incremental progress as people come to understand the fight. From the first time I killed Nefarian, a fight that took us several days and quite a few wipes to master, I seem to have been hard wired to accept wiping as part of the process. If you want to kill the bosses you have to die first. As a tank, one of the harder lessons you'll ever learn is in dealing with this expensive and often personally aggravating necessity of raiding. You have to grow a thick inner skin, not allowing the setbacks and odd quirks of a particular fight (A'lar won't move platforms, Tainted Cores aren't being handled fast enough, people are grouping up too much on Shatters) to frustrate you or cause you to start pointing fingers at people.
Whether you're a tank or DPS, it can be very tempting to vent your frustrations over a wipe and start pointing fingers at what's going wrong. My advice in this situation is to do so with your microphone off and into the empty air around you. Don't type anything, don't accuse anyone in your guild forums or in raid chat or through whispers. Feel free to curse up a blue streak when there's no one around to hear you. Even when the group is not actually wiping on bosses, it's possible for a tank to die holding trash if a heal is mistimes, shield block charges get eaten up too fast, or the tank does something stupid like thunderclap in an area with CC that then piles onto him. There are literally thousands of ways for a tanking or DPSing warrior to die in the course of a run, and to some degree there's simply no point to pointing fingers. Consider it this way: if you lost aggro and a healer died before you could get it back, you wouldn't appreciate having your nose rubbed in it either.
This is not the same situation as a run where, no matter how well you do you're simply not getting proper support from someone. It's more often the case in a five man that everyone is doing their best save for one person and that person's shortcomings become quickly apparent. Tank can't hold aggro, one of the DPS is constantly off on his or her own target or breaking CC indiscriminately, healer can't seem to keep anyone alive. These runs happen to us all. But in a 10 or 25 man raid it can be difficult to identify what's going wrong. This isn't to say that effort on behalf of the raid or guild leadership shouldn't work to make sure everyone's pulling their weight, but it's counterproductive for angry raid members, especially tanks (who are often, rightly or wrongly, seen as de factor 'war leaders' of their respective raids, even with members of other classes are the ones actually running the raid) to start blaming people publicly.
Why am I writing about this in a warrior column? Because, men and women, you're going to be asked to take it for the team a lot. Some classes can escape death via various means... ice block and run for the door if it's close, vanish, feign, and our paladin sisters and brothers (who wear plate too) can use DI to escape the cost of a wipe if they're lucky. But a DPSing warrior is often one of the first to die even on successful kills, and many the time a tanking warrior dies just before success, which is going to drive you insane. You're going to burn Shield Wall, Last Stand, a potion, a health stone, and maybe even use a trinket only to die anyway when Bloodboil is at 1% and it's going to eat your guts out. (Paladin and druid tanks, I know you feel the same pain when it happens to you, so please don't assume I'm excluding you, but y'know, it is the warrior column and all.) There are things we can and should do to minimize these experiences... for starters, please please please use consumables. Use health pots, use health stones, runes of warding, flasks if you can. Also, if you're down a lot of health and you can get a few seconds to do it, bandage! (This is more for a DPSing warrior.) Sure, you may get a heal anyway, but if you don't, the bandage will help, and if you do you'll have made it so you don't need another as fast. Anything you can do to lower the load on healers is a good thing to do.
For you new tanks, please, remember your on-use trinkets. Remember your abilities like Last Stand and Shield Wall. Anything you can do to give your healers time to heal you, to stretch out the encounter and make progess on it. But in the end, unless you're very lucky, a new fight will undoubtedly mean a wipe. Don't let this discourage you, or make you lash out at your group. Furthermore, sometimes an encounter you have on farm will surprise you. You may be used to running up to Kael for a night's work except for whatever reason this week you can't even get past Void Reaver. This can be absolutely maddening if you know you're doing everything in your power and yet you can't get past the encounter. This is when, no matter if you're whacking away at the knees or, well, whacking away at the front of the knees and calling him names, you have to settle back and stop trying to physically carry the group past the encounter. I don't know why, but for some reason every warrior I know (myself included) takes wiping very, very seriously and personally.
Stop it.
It doesn't do the group any good. It doesn't do you any good. If it's your fault for whatever reason, then fix what you're doing. If it's not your fault, then look at what happened, make reasonable suggestions if you can think of any (yelling Why didn't I get any heals on vent is not reasonable here, in case you were confused) and then move on. Getting angry at your fellow players won't kill any monsters. Also, know when to call it quits and don't keep agitating to slam the group's collective heads against a wall when they're not ready for it.
Wipes suck. There's nothing fun about becoming a bunch of stains on the floor...or lagoon... or wherever you're fighting. But they're part and parcel of learning the game. Treat them as the learning tools they are, don't let them chew your guys out with rage or incriminations. As warriors, you're going to eat a lot of very expensive repair bills. They're only going to get more expensive. This sucks, but it's one of the foibles of the class: at least we're spared reagent costs, thousands of rounds of ammunition, pet food, shard bags and the other ridiculous minutia other classes must go through. All our expenses come up front in those big repair bills, we don't have to dance the agonizing death of a thousand cuts other classese experience. I personally prefer the one big punch in the gut, especially since it gives me bragging rights when the nightly repair costs are tallied up in chat.
You know you love winning that contest.
In the end, all the wipes pay off when that sucker is finally dead before you. Bask in your victory.
Next week, I have no idea what we'll talk about. Some of you have emailed in asking for tanking tips in the 60 - 70 instances, while others want more in-depth DPS coverage, and I know PvP is always a popular topic.
Filed under: Warrior, Analysis / Opinion, Instances, Raiding, Bosses, (Warrior) The Care and Feeding of Warriors






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Azurogg Feb 15th 2008 8:02PM
What happened to the column about Fury dps rotations? I feel I've got a pretty good handle on it, being that my guild is now working on Illidan, but it's always nice to get an outside perspective on things.
kenney Feb 15th 2008 8:18PM
Actually, I find that my repair bills aren't that much different from other members of the raid that have equivalent gear. I don't think plate is more expensive than cloth anymore. Also, usually if I die, the rest of the raid dies, so I die as few times as anyone else.
The hardest bit on progression content for me is determining "is THIS the attempt I want to burn shield wall on?"
Tcgjarhead Feb 15th 2008 8:48PM
I guess you forgot to nail that note to your forehead saying you would do a fury article...again.
Glenn Sugden Apr 18th 2008 4:54PM
I'm an up-and-coming warrior (after being sit-back-and-melt-stuff casters), and I recently got grouped up with another warrior. I began as off-tank [OT], but was quickly asked to be main-tank [MT] 'cause of (mainly) equipment and (somewhat better) skillz. However, when it came to handling multiple mobs, sundering in a quick circle and focusing on the primary marked mob was straight-forward - but what is the OTs primary (and secondary) job? Beating on the primary mob too and not touching anything else? Adds? Thunder-clap-rotation? Protect the healzers? Whacking totems? I could use some (more) advice on multiple tank-work, as well as general advice/suggestions on marking those mobs in the first place (Who's generally first, who is Cc'd and why, etc.). (My buddy with a 70 warrior handles the marking for the most part now). Thank you for the insights!
Matt Feb 16th 2008 12:18PM
If you can handle all of the mobs, then the other tank should throw on DPS gear. My guild runs all of Karazhan with one tank to speed up clears.
Raegn Feb 15th 2008 11:03PM
Interesting article Matt but you've been promising us a fury entry forever it seems like!
Next week.... pretty please?
Matthew Rossi Feb 16th 2008 12:20PM
Yes, I really do need to write the fury article. While I'm currently prot (and I think the bias is clearly showing, which disturbs me) on my most played warrior, fury is actually my favorite spec. I only wish it was possible to use it as an offtanking spec more easily.
JDMan1313 Feb 16th 2008 12:32AM
Great article Matt, but don't think your off the hook for that Fury article Mister.
Matt Feb 16th 2008 12:08PM
Plate is still more expensive to repair because of its durability.
I agree that you don't want to shout at other players in anger after a wipe. As you progress in raiding content a single player has the ability to screw up and wipe the entire raid. If that happens rarely it isn't a big deal, but I'm sure everyone can think of someone that wipes their raids too often. Those people need specific instructions to help them correct their behavior, otherwise you might as well not bring them. Specifically addressing a player who is doing things incorrectly may embarrass them, but the whole raid will know that the leaders know what happened and are correcting it. When nobody is willing to correct poor behavior it is like having a co-worker that doesn't do his fair share that you always have to work harder to compensate for.
David Feb 19th 2008 2:15PM
Wipes are not good. But as a tank, if I go down after using every trinket and talent when the boss has a few % left and the rest of the group is alive and healthy then my job is done and I'm happy, I'll pay my repair bill gladly, the rest of the group should be able to finish the boss.
I was one asking about the L60-70 tanking and now find that gear and the group are making an huge difference. Gear up a little and the instances become much easier, also everyone has to know their role now, you can't easily carry people. I like the CC topic, as a tank I really need to learn which CC will last for how long. Also how not to break CC when using tab sunder on multiple mobs or having auto attack break a CC just after it's applied.
Disaster Mar 14th 2008 6:32PM
listen i dont care about holding back my anger...i dont agree with this article at all so dont think im relating to your talk matt you have got to be the biggest mouth of a failed prot warrior trying to give advice to better prot warriors ive ever seen 'tank a'tal in greens and blues?' plate costs more to repair than cloth?' you think your raid is responsable for your mistakes? COME ON who the hell tanks a'tal in blues and greens and actually WONDERS why their raids are wiping? oh no this isnt the first time youve done this, allow me to share wirh you your misleading guides
Have prot warriors been left behind?
Have prot warriors been left behind? - WOW Insider
"I utterly fail at life and at WoW."
"Despite the fact that I'm paid to write a warrior column, my guild chose me out of all the Prot Warriors to respec DPS. I'm butthurt so I think I'll vent on my blog. Did I mention I'm paid by the word?"
About the Bloggers: Matthew Rossi
About the Bloggers: Matthew Rossi - WOW Insider
"I have FOUR level 70 warriors and still don't know my class."
"Also QQ Tanks, QQ Shamans"
Do you drive people nuts talking about WoW?
"The only people I discuss tanking strategy with are people who don't play WoW."
The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Where are the warriors?
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/03/07...-the-warriors/
"Most warrior tanks are bad players but I'm awesome. Also all PuGs will suck because no one on my friends list responds to my tells so I get the crappy DPSers."
"Warriors are awful in PvP until they're full S3. The only thing that owns them more than casters is melee."
Who knew shields were so complicated?
Who knew shields were so complicated? - WOW Insider
"I don't know that Strength affects BV." (Ok, not a huge deal)
Chew some fat
Chew some fat - WOW Insider
"I stack avoidance."
"I was going to tank with [Prowler's Strikeblade] until a guildmate pointed out I should probably keep using [The Sun Eater]."
Blizzard lays down the science on gold selling
Blizzard lays down the science on gold selling - WOW Insider
"Addons can have password stealing trojans." (executable addon downloaders maybe)
Totem Talk: A deep discontent
Totem Talk: A deep discontent - WOW Insider
"Waaaahhh Shaman QQ! I'll write a long ass post with no suggestions on fixes or ways to overcome my perceived problems."
The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Learning how to wipe
The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Learning how to wipe - WOW Insider
"I am the MASTER of wiping."
"I tanked Al'ar in blues and greens. For some reason we wiped a lot."
The Care and Feeding of Warriors: What's not broke
The Care and Feeding of Warriors: What's not broke - WOW Insider
"Despite what I'll say 1 month from now, Warrior tanks are the best and shouldn't compare themselves to pallys or druids."
The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Rage and how to use it
The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Rage and how to use it - WOW Insider
"I need 5-10 seconds every single pull before my DPS'ers are allowed to DPS. I wonder why no one wants to run with me?"
"If the DPS'ers don't listen to me, I start pulls with 5 full sunders or devs before I use SS or Revenge." (That's almost verbatim, WTF?)
"don't expect to be able to hold more than three mobs without significant help from your party" (direct quote, my god this guy is awful)
The Care and Feeding of Warriors: This is the year that was
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"Rage normalization at BC launch meant Pallys and Druids were tanking everything in the beginning." (Oh, hell no, what game were you playing?)
The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Heresies
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"It's ok to let a mob run loose and smack a clothy around for awhile, I'm sure the tank will pick it back up...oh wait." (Great habit to teach new tanks Matt!)
The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Making life easier for your healer
The Care and Feeding of Warriors: Making life easier for your healer - WOW Insider
"There's always a chance you'll be crit, even past 490 defense." (gahhhhhh)
"Stack block RATING when tanking physical damage mobs."
look at yourself...
Matthew Rossi Mar 14th 2008 6:34PM
I have to admit, you just made me laugh pretty hard. I mean, sure, I get a lot of trolls, but the desperation in your misreading of what I've written is so flagrant that it just makes me smile, knowing that you're this outraged by me. That I've affected you this much and you have no idea why, or how to express it. Thank you for letting me know how important I am to you.