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2-18-2008 @ 3:14PM
I worked for over 3 months to save the Honor to buy my S1 Arena set with honor and tokens, and I still don't have the Chest Piece. Meanwhile, my first Kara run, a whole 30 minutes into it, I had two purple drops (one off Attunment, one Trash drop).Which one are REALLY welfare epics?
2-18-2008 @ 3:38PM
Exactly.The only people who call them "welfare" epics are people who are unhappy that it's not just the no-lifers that have epics anymore.For someone who has nothing to do but play WoW, having BT on farm status is barely an effort. For people who can only play maybe a few hours a day, or a few good sessions a week, saving up honor an tokens from battlegrounds, especially if they only play for fun and don't "grind" them, is an epic undertaking worthy of being rewarded with epic gear.It's perspective.
2-18-2008 @ 3:49PM
It takes five minutes to go AFK. If you are not an honor grinder when was the last time you were in a BG and didn't do anything for FIVE MINUTES? If you go AFK in a BG you should get kicked out.; no more BGs for 24 hours. End of honor grinding, end of problem with welfare epics. If you are casual and actually put in the time PLAYING BGs to get s1/s2 gear via honor it is not welfare, it is a means of gear progression that can accomidate your schedule.
2-18-2008 @ 8:55PM
Except Attumen's purps < S1.
2-18-2008 @ 4:42PM
Have to disagree with you there Bob. There are plenty of times I've had to /afk out to do something really quick for my room mates or to get in some arena games before someone has to log. I think what you're confusing is the term afk. People really aren't using it to mean that AV AFKers are actually in game, but rather that they don't participate in fighting or have bots that keep them in combat or casting spells.
2-18-2008 @ 5:18PM
Bob, I think you misunderstand what it means to go AFK in a battleground. If you are actually flagged afk, you WILL get kicked out and given the deserter debuff that lasts like 10 or 15 mins. However, what people mean is that there are those people who are actually sitting at their computer (or botting) and making a conscious effort to not help. Those are the people that are referred to as being "AFK" in a battleground. They will not get the /afk flag because they are moving around (or standing and jumping every so often), but they are not helping the group, and are, for all intents and purposes, AFK.
2-18-2008 @ 6:40PM
Well buddy.. You can fail in battlegrounds and still get your purples... but if you fail in a raid you just get repair bills.
2-18-2008 @ 7:44PM
Did I mention I died in that Attunemen fight? Should my loot be ignored as a result? (Hey, don't blame me, it was my first time, I rarely raided before and didn't know the fight. I've never died on him since.)And as for AFKing, sure you could do that. Of course, you could get 9 well geared friends to run you through Kara too for loot. And I don't know if you notice, but AFKing in BGs is a very, very slow way to grind honor. because your lazy arse isnt' helping, a loss is only 150 to 200 honor. Even a good win, with no other help, is 500. It takes 12000 honor for the least expensive piece of armor.
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