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2-18-2008 @ 3:16PM
I thought the term was funny at first, but I don't really believe in "welfare epics" either. I got some good gear through raiding, but it wasn't any harder to get than the PVP gear really. There are a lot of people raiding who aren't really that great of a player, they just get aqquainted with the fights and know their class a little. Once you've downed a raid boss once or twice, its amazing how easy it really is and how it can be done without much effort at all. Just know where to stand and which few buttons to hit and don't die. How is that any harder than getting gear through PVPing? Its not. I've been there and seen both sides of the coin...either way is just a matter of time.
2-18-2008 @ 3:40PM
lol - see above.the point is that you can get PvP epics by simply being there. That is not going to get you through a raid. Whether its Hogger or Illidan, neither will go down no matter how many people stand around AFK.
2-19-2008 @ 12:37PM
Exactly. It's all a matter of time spent. Time spent grinding thru an instance, or time spent grinding thru a battleground or Arena. Both have their deadbeats. Neither dead beat will progress very far, very fast. The PVPer with 0 kills, 0 damage and 0 heals will be reported and banned, or if he's in arena, his rating will drop so low that honor barely trickles in. The raider who floats on the work of others and does minimal damage will eventually get kicked. But both will get gear for comparitively no effort and for just 'being there'. As much as it annoy's posters like Butler, both systems are comparable...
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