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2-18-2008 @ 3:50PM
In my experience with pvp and raiding, i have to say that getting epics through pvp is much much easier. In reality, a guild could be stuck on one boss in ssc or tk for literally weeks. I heard of a guild on my server that was stuck on Kael for months before they finally downed him. Sure, after they got that 1st kill, Kael may have become much easier, BUT it still took them months to get the 1st kill. All you need to get pvp epics is time, that is it. For raiding you need: time, gold, motivation, coordination, a decent team to work with, and determination. Like people have said before, you can do arenas or bg's and not contribute one kill or one pt of healing to the group and still get honor/arena points. I would like to see people try to do this in a 25man raid. Not only would they not get any epics, they would get kicked the F out of the raid and possibly the guild. @ post 2: Consider yourself very very lucky to leave kara with 2 epics your 1st run. I just want you to know, that unlike pvp, it is totally random whether or not you get drops in a raid. In pvp, no matter what, as long as you put the time in, you will get enough honor to get whatever piece you want. and if you put in a lot of time, you can get it fairly quickly. Sometimes in a raid, you can have the place on farm for weeks or even months, and still not ever see that piece you want drop. That is the difference. And i wont even go into DKP, because that just makes it even less likely that you'll get the drops you need. With pvp you are guaranteed epics, with raiding, you are not.Ive been running bgs, for about 2weeks to get some offspec gear for my resto shammy. In those 2weeks, only spending about 2hrs a day or less in battle grounds, i've earned enough honor and marks to buy 2pieces of epic pvp gear.I ran kara every week for 2months and never saw the lights justice drop off of the prince. I got it eventually, but it took forever because whether or not the prince drops that particular item is random. With pvp NO MATTER WHAT you are moving closer and closer to your goal of earning enough honor to get your epics. With raiding, its not so simple.
2-18-2008 @ 4:00PM
keep in mind: epics serve a purpose. in PvE they gear up the raid so you are able to down the next boss. In PvP it's to stay competitive with the other guy - and have upgrades so the damage output from raid gear doesn't let a raider slaughter his way through a BG the way it was pre expansion.
2-18-2008 @ 7:50PM
Agreed. I did get lucky. (and I'm still wearing those great Leather Feral boots, they're great on my ENH shaman).However, in the end, getting keyed and going into Kara was easy. I could do that twice a week much easier then I could grind out even one piece of my S1 gear.
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