Officers' Quarters: Gold rush
Every Monday Scott Andrews contributes Officers' Quarters, a column about the ins and outs of guild leadership.Once your guild purchases all the bank vaults you need, your bank will start accumulating gold without a clear purpose for how to spend it. As the donations and requests from members roll in, it's up to us as officers to decide. The author of this week's e-mail is concerned about the way his fellow officers are using the gold.
I recently became a low-ranking officer in a guild after demonstrating utility in knowledge, generosity, and helpfulness to my guildmates. When this occurred I decided to take a proactive approach to the guild and began lobbying for a new guild tab to open up to the lower ranking members. Everyone seemed supportive of this until I started digging into the financials. It seems as if the current state of the guild is members deposit, and the main officers withdraw it fairly quickly. For example in the last week or so 11 members (including myself) deposited a total of about 37 Gold while 4 officers withdrew over 50 Gold.
I approached an officer about this and she claimed that whenever an officer withdraws a large amount, it's to help a guild member with various things such as new gear or skills. While these seems plausible, for some reason it seems fishy to me. Do most guilds operate this way, and thus I'm being paranoid, or could there be a genuine cause for concern here. Is there any way to get to the bottom if this? I feel bad as I've withheld depositing my normal amount in the past few days because I'm not sure if I'm little more than a personal financier for the guild officers' twink fund.
Thank you for your help,
Anonymous WoW Player
For your average guild member, donating gold to a guild bank is sort of like paying taxes. Whether your guild asks you to contribute a certain amount or you do it voluntarily, you do it in good faith that the officers won't use the cash to line their pockets. You expect that cash to be used for goods and services that will help the guild and -- whether directly or indirectly -- help you.
What those goods and services are depends entirely on the type of guild you're in. If you're in a twink guild and your success depends on how twinked everyone else's twinks are, then spending that cash to help someone out with an expensive enchant seems like a reasonable thing to do.
If you're in a raiding guild, buying consumables and resist gear, paying repair bills, and so on might be perfectly acceptable uses.
For a guild that does some PvP, some casual PvE, and some raiding, the waters get a little murkier. If not everyone raids, is it fair to use that money for post-raid armor repairs? If not everyone PvPs, is it fair to use that money to set up an arena team? This is the category my guild falls under, and so far I haven't used the bank gold for squat outside of buying new vaults. We're thinking about using it to help tanks get resist sets for upcoming encounters we'll be facing, but it's something I'll have to mull over, and I may even ask the guild to vote on the issue.
For the most part, our policy has been to fend for yourself when it comes to the incidental costs of gearing up your toons, buying skills, obtaining recipes, repairing, etc. Of course we all help each other with such things, but that's a "private citizen" helping another citizen, not the "government" giving a handout, which is what using the bank gold amounts to. I still believe in this policy. We have too many members for the bank to fund everybody.
However, we do have this growing pile of gold and we're starting to get requests for it. Recently someone asked if they could use the gold to buy the Solid Star of Elune design. This is an incredibly important gem cut for both PvE and PvP. If we didn't already have two people in the guild who could cut it, I would have given out the gold for that purchase. That's a good example of an item that can help everyone in the guild.
As for the e-mail above, the officers say they are using the money for new gear and skills. That seems okay, but several questions spring to mind. Is the gold available to everyone to use for such things? Is there a limit to the amount that can be spent? Is it for main characters only or alts, too? Why is no official record kept of who's getting what gold for what purpose? Are people honestly having trouble paying for new skills on their own?
So yes, I agree that the whole thing is "fishy," as you say. Bank gold is "public funding" and as such the "public" has a right to know exactly what it's being spent on. As a new officer, I wouldn't tell them to stop doing what they're doing. I'd just ask for more information about it. Volunteer to be the official bank record keeper if you like. It's a system that's ripe for abuse, so if the gold is being spent that frequently I don't think it's too much to ask for a list of who's getting what amount and for what purpose. I may be mistaken, but I don't think most guilds throw their bank money around so casually like that.
For most of us, as our guild's fortunes grow, so will the number of requests to spend that gold total sitting tantalizingly at the bottom of every vault window. Do your guild a favor and spend it wisely. Remember that the gold belongs to every member who contributes, not just those with the highest rank.
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Zumwalah Feb 25th 2008 11:13AM
i feel the easiest answer to this is have a guild policy: "Get your own damn gold, its really really easy"
Pingmeister Feb 25th 2008 11:17AM
34 Gold?
50 Gold?
I can't imagine raising a stink over these types of numbers. Wait and see.
When we're talking hundreds of Gold I can see getting suspicious.
Hank Feb 25th 2008 11:18AM
What bugs me about the guild bank is not the officeres taking gold, I know what it's going for, but the non-contributors asking for things from it. Maybe 10 people out of 30 in my guild contribute, but those other 20, boy do they want.
Milktub Feb 25th 2008 11:40AM
We're in a period of open recruitment right now, both to build a second Kara group and make the push to ZA, as well as lower-levels so our alts have more people to do SM and ZF with.
So yesterday, new recruit, who I'll call "Joe" comes on guild chat ...
"WTF! Where'd 1000g go??"
"What do you mean?"
"There was 1000g in the guild bank and now it's gone!"
"We bought the fourth bank tab"
"But I needed that gold to buy my flying mount!!"
Much laughter ensued, followed by Joe complaining about how he didn't even have access to the fourth tab (currently, new recruits can see, but not access, only the first tab, members can access the first two tabs, vets can access first three tabs, and the guild leader is the only one with access to the fourth tab).
Thander Feb 26th 2008 12:02AM
@4
We had some guy join(we do two week trial periods for recruits). Immediately, he asked for one of the items in the guild bank. It was an epic item of some value, and while we didn't know of any current members that needed it right then, there might be a need in the future. We told them they would need to wait for a little while. Well, in less than 10 minutes they /gquit telling us they would go to a guild that helped out their members. Some people...
Bearskunk Feb 25th 2008 11:24AM
Unless these guys are a low level guild 37 and respectively 50 gold are pretty much pocket change especially when talking about multiple people paying in and withdrawing these amounts over a week.
Each of those paying in paid an avery of 48 silver per day. That's what, killing three mobs in front of shatt?
Mirina Feb 25th 2008 11:21AM
The gold in our guild bank is under pretty decent lockdown. The only time gold is withdrawn is if we have people respeccing for raids because someone didn't show. Otherwise, the gold goes nowhere until the final tab is bought.
Charles Feb 25th 2008 2:18PM
The gold in our bank is used to pay the tank and healers repair bills, and purchase 1 flask per week for every raid member. We have a pretty good fund raising system which involves selling crafted BoEs and rare mats.
C.A. Feb 25th 2008 11:36AM
My guild is very small (7 accounts) and we all know each other in real life. I have everyone ranked up to officer and only myself and one other person are level capped.
We have it set to basically leave it open to everyone at all times, each person can clean out the bank if they wanted and we have 4 tabs due to myself and the other 70.
Anyway, no matter how much we put in, with out "open" method, the gold doesn't say no matter what. I think if people, whether you know them or not, will take free gold if it's there. They'll find something to do with it.
C.A. Feb 25th 2008 11:37AM
"out" should be "our"
Krishan Feb 25th 2008 11:40AM
Our guild has about 50,000 gold, each member donates a little when he/she wants to- and we lead Sell runs to t5 instances and generate quite a lot of dosh (we get to go back to SSC/TK since some of us like that place- and earn $$$).
We HAVE all the tabs, and we use the gold to pay for repair bills to people who raid > 90% attendance, we pay the guild alchemist for mats to create pots/flasks e.t.c and general raid consumables. We actually burn around 500g a night MINIMUM :>
We are aiming for 100,000g so that if there is a resistance fight in Sunwell- we can pay for all those in the guild to get the proper equipment, like we do with SR gear for newcomers.
Lastly, we strive for perfection, so every recipe we may need, every buff that could come in handy, enchanting mats e.t.c are stored in our bank, along with about 1000 ancient lichen ^_^
Gimmlette Feb 25th 2008 11:51AM
My officers and I have discussed what to do with gold accumulated in our guild bank, but we're still trying to save for all the tabs. People are pretty much on the honor system when removing mats. Everything else, patterns, recipes, gear, hard to get mats, are on "Officer request" only. New people to the guild have to wait through their trial membership before being promoted to have access to the bank. It's worked well for us so far.
There are some things in the game which seem to be necessities, like a flying mount. You can't get attuned to Kara or finish netherwing mount rep without one. Some day maybe, we will have the money to help people get that mount.
And there is a good point about patterns available in the AH. But that can get into which of the 4 jewelcrafters I have gets the pattern? Do I go buy every pattern for the Dark Iron Rifle just so all those engineers who can learn will?
I think having an officer-rank position of banker is a good idea. Another set of eyes looking at the "books" could make other officers and members feel more secure about their donations. But, as we've seen in Guild Watch, it never stops some officer from stripping a guild bank clean, /gquitting and moving to another server with their ill-got gains.
Hank Feb 25th 2008 12:05PM
Everything in my guild bank is officer request. One of our iffucers is a retired guy, and it seems like sometimes he doesn't sleep. So he knows everyone in the guild, and judgement is passed appropriately. But still, someone who joined the guild a week ago shouldn't be asking for blues and rare mats from the guild bank, when they've contributed nothing.
Epiny Feb 25th 2008 12:00PM
In our guild anyone can deposit items or gold. Only officers can withdraw items and only our GM can withdraw gold. We currently don't use the gold for anything. Once in awhile if we make a big leap in raid progression everyone gets to repair with the guild money for the night, but mainly it just sits there. We don't really know WHAT to do with it yet.
Denniz Feb 25th 2008 12:13PM
Our guild currently has 4 tabs, the first 3 tabs are for all members and the 4th tab is for the officers. Each member can take 2 stacks or items from each tab per day, except for the 4th tab. If members want something from the 4th tab, they can make a request to one of the officers. Donating gold is on a voluntary basis. The guild funds are used to pay for future tabs and for financing things that benefit the guild as a whole, like recipes, enchants, respecs and stuff like that.
Malachi154 Feb 25th 2008 12:16PM
Too bad our politicians don't have the same morality about spending that the OP does.... =(
Cynra Feb 25th 2008 12:22PM
Our guild is in the murky waters area: we have a weekly Karazhan run, but perhaps ten guild members out of thirty or forty people actually run in it. We've used the money to buy extra tabs so far, but I rather dread what will happen when we run out of tabs. I've already dealt with one situation where an officer asked if he could use guild funds to pay for an enchant; sure, the enchant would benefit the raiders because it's always good to have your tank all enchanted up, but how does that benefit the other forty people who don't raid and perhaps tend to spend time on their own, even though they contribute regularly to the bank? It does and the officer got a light slap on the hand.
We've fun guild functions coming up, though, so that should help.
We clearly defined all of the uses we have for the gold and further specified that all gold that comes into the bank becomes guild property; that means that members can't dictate where it goes, but they can definitely have their say to help convince the officers.
mattarin Feb 25th 2008 12:30PM
we used to have all 3 tabs and gold withdraws open but we gained a new guildie one time and overnight when most of were logged off he cleaned out all the tabs and gold and left the guild. then we put the guild bank on lock down and guild master could withdraw while everyone else could deposit. a few months later he released the ban and it happened again so now he just made the 1st open to recruits, 2 tab to full members and veterns, 3rd tab for kick ass and elite officers, and 4th tab for guild commanders and guild master for the kara runs. also anyone vetern or above can only withdraw 3 gold a day for use or for the guild repair tab. now we have so many gear that no one needs or wants that we have to do a silent auction on our guild forum
Cailleach Feb 25th 2008 12:29PM
Our tabs are open to view and donate to, but all withdrawals are by officers. This is just to keep folks accountable as to what they draw, BUT... our GM has gotten anonymous notes saying that officer X has withdrawn a ton of stuff. Well.. DUH! He's on the most and since one needs an officer to withdraw..
A little member education as to who could withdraw and why it looked like only a few folks did so helped. So did transacting withdrawals in gchat. (Hey, member Y, I'm sending you that item Z you asked for from the gbank now.)
As for gold - we're saving for tabs, but everyone knows that tanks and healers can repair from the gbank IF they are on guild or guild alliance runs. So far we've had no problems w/that. What we'll do when we have excess money, I have no clue.
Scoottie Feb 25th 2008 1:26PM
In my guild if an officer withdraws anything from the guild they simply type "I am taking x for reason y" if no other officer says anything they withdraw. We also have a place for members to ask for stuff that is in the guild bank.