Gamers on the Street: WoW as child's play

Gamers on the Street logs onto U.S. servers to get the word from the front on what's going on in and around the World of Warcraft.
How young is too young to play WoW? We've discussed the ups and downs of grouping with kids quite a few times over the years, but the topic – like the kids themselves – just won't go away. Earlier this week, we interviewed an 11-year-old SSC raider and his mother. While most reader comments applauded the family for a disciplined, sensible approach to online gaming, a few readers seemed confused or even aghast that someone so young would be allowed to play World of Warcraft.
Gamers on the Street decided to pop in on Bloodscalp, a high-population PvP realm with what one supposes would be a correspondingly tough outlook on kiddie action. We surveyed several level 70 players at random, asking them about their own experiences with children in game. The consensus: Jerks come in all shapes, sizes and ages -- and children and teens are no better or worse than their adult counterparts. Hear out their reasoning, after the break.
Xerith, Level 70 Orc Warlock <The Brain Spawn>Our first chat was with Xerith, a warlock who plays in a casual guild of mostly friends and family members. His laid-back attitude typifies a general open-mindedness about tolerating young players when possible.
Gamers on the Street: Is World of Warcraft ok for kids?
Xerith: I have no real strong opinions either way. I have no problem with kids playing WoW.
How old (or what general age range) are you, if I might ask?
I'm 26.
Is The Brain Spawn generally made up of adult players?
Our age range is from 24-32, so I would say yes, it's adult players.
Is that on purpose? Do you actively avoid inviting younger players?
No, it's not on purpose. Most of us have known each other for years or are family members. We don't recruit anybody because we are not a heavy raid guild (nor do we wish to be). We are here to have fun with friends and family, not to grind out progression.
What about PuGs -- have you ever been in a group where you felt one of the players was probably a kid and wasn't pulling their weight?
Yea, but unless that player does something stupid like roll on something that his/her class can't use, or pulls something with warning, or generally wipes us continuously, then we will generally tolerate it. But those rules hold for any age.
How young do think is too young? For instance, how young would a player have to be before you felt uncomfortable letting loose in guild chat or on Vent?
No age limit, I guess. Some us will bash that player for playing stupid, without a care for age. There is a swear filter in chat.
Is your guild chat pretty PG, then? You think the filter is enough?
As for vent, only Brain Spawn members use that. There will be no PuG players in it. No, we are not PG. We are adults and say what's on our mind, regardless of who reads it. If you don't want to read what we have to say, you can leave. That's how we feel.
So if you were in a group with a pickup player or two, is there an age that would make you feel uncomfortable? Say, 12? 10? What if you were running around on an alt and ran across someone who said they were 8?
Nope, I would not feel uncomfortable.
Would you treat them any different?
Nope, i do not age discriminate. ;)
Fair enough. If you were talking to the parent of a teen who wanted to play WoW, what would you tell them?
It can be an addictive game; be sure to watch their play habits and put limits as you see fit.
Grevan, Level 70 Undead Mage <Renshai>The whole time I was talking with Xerith, I kept noticing this message in general chat:
[1. General] Grevan: -= ( Renshai )=- Please Send a tell to Grevan / Felahn / Rahvun / Relyx . We are brand new (less than 3 hours) to this server, but our End game experience is superior. Send a tell now to Join. Morons/Bad players/a$hats will be weeded out.
[1. General] Grevan: -= ( Renshai ) =- has Open recruitment for levels 60-70. 4 Officers from another server, have transfered to Bloodscalp to form a raiding guild. Officers bring vast raid exp, and are looking to fill the ranks. *Bad Attitudes/nubs need not apply!
Wondering what the reaction would be to a particularly young applicant, I gave Grevan a buzz.
Gamers on the Street: Does Renshai have an age limit for recruits?
Grevan: I'd like 'em to be mature. I don't care what age, as long as there's a maturity level.
Soo ... What would give you reason to pause? 16? 14? ... 12?
14.
Would you take a 14-year-old?
I might ... Depends on the maturity of that 14-year-old.
What would you want to know about the player to help make a decision? Or would you just want him to try several events with you?
I'd want to speak with him in Vent, get a feel for his MMO experience.
Dessorag, Level 70 Orc Warlock <Semantics>We let the very busy Grevan get back to his recruiting and picked up a friendly conversation with Dessorag, who noted that "problem kids" were easily dodged.
Gamers on the Street: Does your guild have an age limit?
Dessorag: No, but we generally look for more mature players. Most of the players are > 20, with the vast majority having jobs and kids.
Any teens in the group that you know of?
Not for a while. There are a few, but mostly the college-age type – 18, 19, that sort of thing.
Have you ever grouped with a player you suspected was much younger than that?
Yes, most certainly. I've played with some 14-year-olds. Overall, they lack maturity, but that is to be entirely expected.
"Lack maturity" in what way? Giggly in chat, or not understanding strats, or ...?
Some were good for their age, acted mature and basically added some enjoyment to the game. (But others), generally, all the expectations of walking into a middle school classroom.
So kinda cute in an annoying way?
Not really. More obnoxious. Every once in a while one surprises you, but overall, it can detract from the experience
Hmm. Do you think there should be an age limit for WoW?
No, not at all. What age someone starts playing MMOs is really based on the parents or reaching 18/maturity/self-sufficiency. Basically, as long as you treat other players with respect, it doesn't matter what age you are. You'll generally be treated with the same respect you show others. I have no problem with parents playing with their kids.
What do you think parents should do as far as keeping up with their kid? What would you tell the parent of a child or teen who wants to play WoW?
Play with them.
Really?
Yes. One of my coworkers is doing that with his son. It's a good bonding experience. A 14-year-old isn't going to see or hear anything in this game they haven't already heard 20 times a day on the bus ride home.
Anything else about age to add?
Well, just the classic line repeated by Ian of CtrlAltDel: Parents, its up to you to teach your kids. Don't force it on the industry.
Read more about young WoW players
Raiding SSC at age 11
Using WoW to teach children values
Teaching game etiquette to young players
Confessions of a teenage warlock
Filed under: WoW Social Conventions, Features, Interviews, Gamers on the Street






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Matdredalia Feb 29th 2008 9:11AM
I have to say this article both surprised and impressed me. It's really nice to see that so many adult players understand that not all younger players are BNet brats with bad attitudes, and that it all depends on the child's maturity, not their age.
Great post, thanks!
Tatiyanna Feb 29th 2008 9:18AM
As a adult player myself, our guild is made up of mostly adults, we do have a few of our own kids in it, (as we do In Bf2 as well)
It boils down to its a game, as long as anyone regardless of age knows that, can handle the fact its a game and knows how to play it, or shows a sincere desire to learn, the more the merrier!
I have played with adults that if i didnt know better I would think they are 10, as well as played with 12 year olds that act 30.
No before someone says but what about the violence in the game, Welcome to life, its a GAME, period, teach your kids the difference and there are no hangups ever in life..
just my .002
Vanadin Feb 29th 2008 9:21AM
Great article, I was really impressed with this. It's good to know most parents are starting to take responsibility for their kids. Still though I think the MMO community has a different atmosphere than say Xbox Live, I often wonder where the parents are for some of the kids on there.
Remnever Feb 29th 2008 9:33AM
My Dad who is in his 40's plays, older brother and I are in our 20's and play, and my little brother who is 9 plays WOW. Now I think we all play differently. I leveled a 66 Hunter for him so he can run around in the lowbie areas and help people or do what he wants. I on the other hand am into PVP and raiding while my Dad is a light raider and pvper. I think as long as kids are controlled they are just fine playing WOW. I think kids of that age have their own playstyle and they enjoy it as much as I enjoyed GI Joes when I was a kid.
Issac Feb 29th 2008 11:33AM
Adults can bring thier own kind of problems to the game as well as the younger players. I have been through quite a few guild spits as a consequence of some obnoxious older players, and had quite a few run-ins with immature younger players. Anyone of any age can cause trouble.
sporteeee Feb 29th 2008 10:13AM
I'm one of the older members of my guild (32) and 2IC. We used to have open recruitment, but now only actively recruit mature players only after running w/ them in a PuG...Most of our guild is married and/or parents, so we play WoW to escape kids (enough of them at home).
We do have a few younger members, and they're not such bad folks. BUT conversely, the GM's little brother (14) has been gkicked twice.
At the same time, we've gkicked 40 yo's for being obnoxious...
I guess it boils down to maturity more than age, and whether a person's personality works with our guild.
nebuchadnezzar447 Feb 29th 2008 10:31AM
I, myself, am 14 and I'm not particularly surprised by what people had to say. The guild I'm in is pretty immature, so we all say thing inappropriate in Gchat and even in Ventrilo (However, raiding is a different subject). The Gleader doesn't care about age or really maturity (Unless they don't ever shut up), more about skill. However she doesn't want assholes or pricks joining the guild, she does want someone who can joke around playfully most of the time.
thatquietgamerdude Feb 29th 2008 10:53AM
Nothing is more refreshing than to see a mature kid playing the game well. But on the other hand, nothing is more annoying than an immature kid playing the game badly. And with both of these, I often comment, "My parents never would have paid for this, lol".
turkeyspit Feb 29th 2008 11:26AM
Are there mature kids? Sure.
Are there immature Adults? Sure.
Do intelligent and otherwise sane individuals allow their lives to be goverened by rules based on exceptions?
That was a rhetorical question btw.
There are far more adolescent punks and cry-baby kids online then arrogant and pompus adults; to try and convince anyone otherwise is foolish, and is nothing more then an attempt at being politically correct, and at garnering warm-fuzzy feelings about the universe.
Generally speaking, Adults will be more mature and responsible then Kids. That is a simple fact of life.
I do not however, advocate age discrimation because you don't want to fall prey to 40+ yr olds living in their moms basement, nor miss out on the very mature 15 yr old who wants to join your guild.
Let their actions speak for themselves.
Chris Anthony Feb 29th 2008 3:11PM
Every time you say "that is a simple fact of life" like it's irrefutable and wins the argument, God kills a kitten.
Please, think of the kittens.
Zeplar Feb 29th 2008 6:06PM
I think poster 1 said it all for me :)
I'm one of those 14-year-old players.
Meg Feb 29th 2008 11:36AM
I'm a big proponent of letting kids play as long as there are adults there with them. My daughter is three and likes to run in circles in Coldridge Valley with her level one gnome rogue. Her character has the parental controls and swear word filters on, as well as using 'Bug Me Not' which auto-refuses all whispers and duels. She enjoys it and it's a special Saturday morning treat for her to be able to spend a forty five minutes with Mama, playing WoW. My fourteen year old BIL plays, but as his parents don't play and his sister, BIL and myself all do, the rule is that one of us MUST be online and with his characters if he's playing.
My Guild is family oriented and have a special channel in Vent for our younger players, called "Junior Raiders". My daughter is our youngest semi-active player, while the next few are seven or eight years old.
I am a firm believer that MMOs teach children lessons that used to be learned in the roving throngs of children during the summer and on weekends. Cooperation, focus, social interaction - things most of us adults learned in person that isn't safe or applicable for alot of kids now. When I was a child, the rule was be back to the house when the street lights come on. I don't feel safe letting children out that long and I live quite a ways out of town, so it's not really applicable. So the kids are learning these same lessons in a virtual world.
Personally, to me, WoW is like television - a great treat and lesson for kids but it cannot become a steady diet and without supervision, kids have a tendency to grow into what they see. *lol* Soap Operas and Barrens Chat are not what I want my child growing up thinking is okay or wanting to emulate. That's why I watch, why I play with them.
Epiny Feb 29th 2008 1:22PM
Woot 2 really good ones in a row, I guess the moron streak is over on the people you are interviewing! ;)
I would discourage any minor from playing WoW simply due to the fact that it can be highly addictive and teens are subject to those things more than adults, as they are still developing. With parent supervision though I really don't think anyone is to young.
It all really comes down to parenting.
Perrins Feb 29th 2008 2:32PM
Myself (29) my wife (30) our son (12) and my sis (14) play wow. There’s nothing wrong with young players. Just some play styles they have. There are some very mature young players who do want to raid and do dungeons and can hold their own. My son is a rogue and well he can rest assuredly be probably one of the top rogues on the server. He knows his class and gear so well it’s a science. No my sister on the other hand has been leveling a mage for 2 years and just hit 45 the other day her joy is basically just jumping on my lvl 70 hunter going to nagrand and just killing stuff and skinning. Heck I don’t mind it bc I get skins and gold and she has fun. But to ask her to go on a dungeon run would be crazy bc she cant fully play that character to the class. Now I have a 70 warrior and hunter and the wife (damn her for staying at home and being able to lvl everything under the sun) has a 70 lock hunter and priest and is now working on a shaman.
It all depends on the play style of the kid involved some just want to log in and kill stuff some actually can take the dynamics of the game and gear and run with it.
As for the whole ventrilo thing. We have multiple channels in ours (we actually have our own server) and we have the kids, questing, pvp, adults’ only, potty mouth, and such channels. The kids know not to go into the adults’ only channel and if you just want to hang out and talk freely go to the potty mouth channel. Anyone that gets in our vent knows full well what’s expected of him or her.
Plus sometimes getting that kid/adult who really doesn’t know how to play his class and just be a glass cannon can work in your favor. S/he can make you into a better tank!!
Kitty Mar 1st 2008 12:06PM
To a point, young players bother me, but on the other hand they don't.
The ones that bother me are the immature, whiny ones that make your gaming experince less enjoyable. It also freaks me out a little bit when I have these so-called 11 and 12 year olds talking about/commenting/quoting material that makes me blush as a seasoned 21 year old. It's like DUDE! I'm a complete stranger and you're using sexual inneundo/cussing like a sailor/being downright disrepectful.
On the other hand, I have met non-annoying players in the lower age bracket that have been awesome to play with.
(Oh, and some adults I know in-game behave worse than children at times).
I think it depends on the person and their upbrining, honestly. And also parental controls. If parents are using WoW as a babysitter and not paying attention to what their child is getting into online, that just opens up another can of worms.
I think it's ok for someone under the age of 13 to be playing, if they're monitored by their parents/siblings/guardians. That's what I do with my younger sister. I let her create a character on my account to see how she likes it, and told her she cannot play unless I'm online as well as there are too many freaks out there in cyberspace.
But that's my 2 cents.