Belfaire on community policing and GM subjectivity
As you may recall, a few days ago, I wrote a little Dear Blizzard letter on the subject of enforcing the RP and Naming Policy. Of course, Once one writes a letter to someone, it is a good idea to deliver it, and thus I delivered it, or at least the issues therein, over on the Customer Service Forum. I was lucky enough to have Belfaire, who you may remember from his post explaining Blizzard's stance on multi-boxing, answer some of my questions and concerns. I also got some pretty well thought out feedback from a couple other people browsing the forums, including some roleplayers who disagreed with some of my points, so I think the threads worth a read in itself, and I'll comment a bit more on what Belfaire said after the break, now that I've had time to digest it a bit.
First things first, he actually offers some pretty handy tips for reporting. If you have a big batch of names or RP server policy violations to report (the latter hopefully appended with the time it occurred), you can send them to wowgm@blizzard.com, and they will be treated exactly like a report made in-game. In addition, he does confirm what some of our commenters on my last post said: if you could stand to skip the tells, you can simply say in the ticket that you don't wish to be contacted, and unless they need more information from you, they will skip the tell. Also, Belfaire assured me that even if you ask them to skip the tells, they will still take it just as seriously as any other ticket.
Moving on, he did try to explain how Blizzard approaches the issues of policing names and the RP policy. I didn't always agree with him, of course, but I certainly appreciated that he was up front and clear. I also appreciated that he showed a sympathy for the plight of the RPer that I'd like to see Blizzard show more often.
On the subject of changing names over multiple servers, he said that it was, in fact a question of workload. With over 200 realms in the US alone, he says, tracking down each individual name would be far too much of a pain, and actioning so many names would be too much of a strain. In addition, he says, by waiting for a member of the specific server community to report a name, it allows that community to decide what's acceptable.
On the subject of RP server policy violations, Belfaire said that it's a much more subjective process (Which any veteran reporter of RP server policy violations can most definitely tell you), but he also said that he feels that they do take reports of RP violations very seriously.
He ends by saying that when it comes to policy violations, they try to educate people instead of resorting to punitive measures whenever possible - which he admits is a bit of a business decision. But then again, I'm not against that either. When it comes to RP Violations, I generally only report the most flagrant violators myself, the type who run into the middle of your RP event, start jumping around, yelling gibberish, strip naked, pull mobs through it... that type of thing. Other than that, I try to politely ask people to honor the RP server rules and take OOC conversations to party chat (which is also technically supposed to be IC, but hey, if everyone consents to it being OOC, they aren't hurting any nearby RPers) or a private channel.
I think the one thing that I feel I can't quite get behind is the idea of too much subjectivity in RP server policy enforcement. From my point of view, I feel as if, if we as a community are supposed to decide what's acceptable on the naming policy, the same should be true of the RP Policy, and a reporter's opinion should matter a lot more than it sometimes seems to. Even if someone is able to give a very convincing argument as to why they feel "Missmoo" is totally a valid name for a Tauren RP-wise, I think there's an obvious line between when someone has a genuine RP back story and when they're just trying to get away with flaunting the server rules. At the least, a rule of thumb such as "can you imagine a parent of this character's race naming their child that?" really isn't too outlandish to expect. Of course, what is obvious to me does not seem to be quite as obvious to someone else, as others in the thread came down more on Belfaire's side of that argument. Subjectivity and giving people the benefit of the doubt on names seems to be the order of the day.
I'm still not sure I'm comfortable with the amount of subjectivity Blizzard uses for the RP server policies, but I'd like to give Belfaire credit, as he said RP servers are really stuck having to self-police more than other server types, and as a result, it can genuinely appear like enforcement isn't there. However, he says that enforcement is taken seriously. I honestly do get a bit of comfort from Belfaire's comments, if the GMs taking our tickets have as much passion as he does, there may be hope for us yet. He also mentions that he believes that the devs are looking into giving us RPers more tools, so perhaps some of those will help us enforce the policy and allow us a genuine IC haven more often.
For my part, I think I'm going to keep reporting like I always do, keeping those tricks Belfaire mentioned in mind. I'll be grateful for what does get changed, and live with -- or learn to ignore -- what doesn't. I also think there's a few hints in our conversation about how an RP Server can really get a chance to take off. It's all about community really. Unfortunately, the problem is that the "RP community" on a given RP server is sometimes smaller than the non-RP community. However, it does seem like if an RP community was really to band together and start reporting flagrant use of the the say and yell channels for OOC behavior, and start reporting names with a detailed description of why the name breaks the RP server rules, we might get somewhere. Right now, other solutions seem to be sparse, since Blizzard probably can't or won't hire the amount of people we'd need for them to take care of it for us.
I'd like to thank Belfaire for taking time to answer my questions and comments and generally being a good sport about the whole thing, and I'd invite you to go read the original thread. There was really good discussion there, I felt, no matter which side you agree with.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Virtual selves, Blizzard, RP






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
Gnarl Mar 17th 2008 2:10PM
Ok, I have never played a RP server, so I have to ask:
Is it totally unacceptable that someone's name may be (from a RP standpoint) a nickname? I mean, if my tauren chef's buddies all call him "Steak" could he not be named that in game?
I spent much of my life with various nicknames (TY collegiate sports =/ ) and like it or not at first, I always ended up going with them. Is it so far fetched that characters in game could have the same experience?
cptgrudge Mar 17th 2008 2:30PM
As long as the name makes some amount of sense to your RP character in their backstory, I think those sorts of names are acceptable. There's a warlock on Moon Guard named Angry, but if you read the backstory post for her on the forums, it fits relatively well.
Cynra Mar 17th 2008 3:40PM
One of the things to keep in mind is that your justification isn't always enough to keep a name. I've known quite a few extremely heavy roleplayers who have had their names reported and been forced to rename their toons because they were considered non-roleplaying names. They each had wonderful backstories that justified the reasoning for the name (some had it as a nickname, others had it as their name, whatever!), but most were forced to rename their characters (I think perhaps one that I know of appealed and got to keep the name - until it was reported again. Then he gave up).
As both Daniel and Belfaire noted, it's the community that decides what is acceptable and if the GM on the other side of the screen agrees with the person lodging the complaint, there isn't much you can do about it. While I might not advocate this sort of ad hoc reasoning for why things are done the way that they are and would advocate for much more clearly defined rules so these kinds of things don't happen, that's sadly the way that things are.
Jack Spicer Mar 17th 2008 5:09PM
I don't know, the whole RP Naming thing is a bunch of crap. On one server, my toon named "Harmony" was forced to change her name because it somehow violated the naming policy (even after weeks of badgering GMs with e-mails), while toons named "Punchbowl" and "Healadin" run around despite being reported repeatedly for naming violations.
PeeWee Mar 22nd 2008 9:31AM
@Jack Spicer
Keep reporting them. I send a report a day for such names, until they get changed (I add them to my friend's list with a note on what name they had when reported and can see the name change there). Sooner or later the report will end up in the lap of a GM that actually care. Maybe.
One can always hope. It took a while, but finally "Happymeal" on my main server got the banhammer. Now I'm working to get "Crazyfrog" offline as well.
Ktok Mar 17th 2008 4:35PM
Psh... subjectivity. We have a whole guild on our server with "Sister" as part of their names, and even though Sister is a title, with religious overtones no less, Blizzard has done nothing about it.
I've also personally reported several characters on my server that have named themselves after the gods in EverQuest, and nothing has ever been done about it.
RP subjectivity never seems to kick in, and only the names that clearly violate rules on offensive behavior ever get changed. If they're going to not enforce a rule, they should remove the rule.
seankreynolds Mar 17th 2008 7:59PM
Actually I do have a troll named Bluetoof (hard to talk with those giant things in your mouth!), he's just not an an RP server. It's an example of a context-appropriate name.
Badger Mar 18th 2008 11:45AM
@ Ktok: The Guild to which you are referring was actually discussed at some length elsewhere on WOW Insider. The additional media coverage is probably a big part of why they haven't been reported - which is ironic, given the number of people who were irate over their naming violations (not to mention the number of eyewitness accounts claiming their members act like gargantuan assholes).
Ktok Mar 19th 2008 11:45AM
@Badger: Yeah, I've had some... dealings with them. I had the bad luck to roll a new alt the same day the Sisters started showing up, long before their leader even tried to make them behave. It was ugly, and my ignore list runneth over.
Lately, there seems to be far fewer of them around, but I still see then now and then waiting for someone else to clear to a quest mob, then taking it for themselves. Granted, that's not against the rules, but it's still poor form and really annoying.
Cailleach Mar 17th 2008 2:25PM
I don't mind the enforcement, but only when it makes sense. MissMoo on a RP server? Gotcha. On a non-RP server? Hey, I dig it.
Point of fact, though, anyone can claim to be offended by any name. I have a guildy who named his toon Hebe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebe_%28mythology%29
Cupbearer to the Hellenic gods. He dug on the name and the imagery of the deity.
Now, 70 levels and a couple years later, he is suddenly offensive. /facepalm
Votum Mar 17th 2008 2:37PM
Why was his name being claimed as offensive?
GryphonStalker Mar 17th 2008 2:52PM
No's Posts on the community forum are spot on.
arcady0 Mar 17th 2008 3:12PM
Agreed.
Say I made a tauren and named him Sittingbull on RP server. Now, for me, that's actually the name of a very important figure in my ethnic ancestry - the chief who fought General Custer, and whose later death triggered Wounded Knee.
That might be bannable for using the name of a real life person from history - although the name shows up all over the records on warcraftrealms. But as far as being a RP violation - that would be absurd, given that it is in fact the kind of name that comes straight out of the people the Tauren culture is stereotyped off of...
So its not just nicknames that would come up with 'Steak' - its entirely fitting sometimes as the actual name. Especially when the original language is translated over. Sitting Bull was after all, just the English translation of his Lakota name - but it is the name that is recorded for him in most reports of his life.
Go look up the meanings of your own names, when actually translated into modern english, and consider if you were to use that meaning as your toon's name...
Grigorim Mar 17th 2008 2:45PM
@4
Hebe sounds like a racial slur for jewish people, short of Hebrew.
arcady0 Mar 17th 2008 2:57PM
I routinely ask to skip the tells, and they contact me anyway - and frankly, I've been GM'd spammed while tanking 10+ mobs before solo in 'sheer panic oops did I pull that mode' and well, in a moment like that, I just don't want to enter chat to explain to someone the exact same thing that was already stated in my ticket... :)
When I right-click a name I get an option to report spam.
They need an additional set of options - maybe a sub-menu system. I need spam, name, and verbal.
- that right mouse click report should at the least offer all the things that they could determine by a simple 10-second look at the chat log. I should only need a ticket for the complex ones, where they need to investigate combat logs or run a video playback (if they have that ability, guild wars does so I assume they do with their larger budget), or make a policy call, or whatever...
Moose Mar 17th 2008 3:07PM
I completely agree that more options are needed for the right click reporting. I should not need to take the time to report language, or slurs in general channels or in battlegrounds. The fact that they make you write out a ticket for this sort of violation is rediculous.
arcady0 Mar 17th 2008 3:18PM
Just wanted to add - on GMs that open chat with me when I ask not to be contacted. It's not that they do so to ask for clarifications of my ticket.
It's always a 'how are you today, hope you feel well, hope this doesn' ruin your play experience' sort of thing. If I ask not to be contacted, I probably already know that I don't need the touchy feely stuff - but they contact me, and that's all that stuff is all they contact me for...
Whichever GMs are assigned to Area 52, Quel'Dorai, and Cairne - if I ask not to be contacted, please don't contact me, unless my ticket was unclear.
John Mar 17th 2008 2:57PM
I just wish, when a name is reported, there was a greivence process. So you can state why your name is acceptable. Case in point, a few weeks ago during a saturday night kara run a bunch of my guildies were reported and kicked, mid run. had to rename and re-login.
I cant remember all the toons that were forced to change, but one was DrPain...how is that not RP? He is a Doc...he brings Pain...DrPain!
jrodman Mar 17th 2008 3:14PM
It probably fell "afoul" of the titles rules? I mean, it's asinine, but I'm betting that was it.
Cynra Mar 17th 2008 3:29PM
I'd probably shrug off that name myself and avoid reporting it, but I can see the reasoning. It's not even a roleplaying issue, to be honest. Viewing the appropriate Blizzard support article (http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?articleId=20368) we see:
Titles
Fantasy titles should be earned through the mechanics of the game, and should not be recreated through character naming. This category includes names which:
Consist of any title prefix attached to a character's name be it fantasy-based or not (i.e. Kingmike, Presidentsanchez)
If a player is found to have such a name for their character he/she may:
Be prompted to select a new name for the character upon next login. "
Dr. is, as you noted, a title. By the basic naming conventions applicable to all servers - not just roleplaying servers - this name isn't acceptable. Again, I probably wouldn't have reported it unless his conduct warranted the scrutiny, but it IS not an acceptable name by the standards Blizzard doesn't proactively enforce.