Belfaire on community policing and GM subjectivity
As you may recall, a few days ago, I wrote a little Dear Blizzard letter on the subject of enforcing the RP and Naming Policy. Of course, Once one writes a letter to someone, it is a good idea to deliver it, and thus I delivered it, or at least the issues therein, over on the Customer Service Forum. I was lucky enough to have Belfaire, who you may remember from his post explaining Blizzard's stance on multi-boxing, answer some of my questions and concerns. I also got some pretty well thought out feedback from a couple other people browsing the forums, including some roleplayers who disagreed with some of my points, so I think the threads worth a read in itself, and I'll comment a bit more on what Belfaire said after the break, now that I've had time to digest it a bit.
First things first, he actually offers some pretty handy tips for reporting. If you have a big batch of names or RP server policy violations to report (the latter hopefully appended with the time it occurred), you can send them to wowgm@blizzard.com, and they will be treated exactly like a report made in-game. In addition, he does confirm what some of our commenters on my last post said: if you could stand to skip the tells, you can simply say in the ticket that you don't wish to be contacted, and unless they need more information from you, they will skip the tell. Also, Belfaire assured me that even if you ask them to skip the tells, they will still take it just as seriously as any other ticket.
Moving on, he did try to explain how Blizzard approaches the issues of policing names and the RP policy. I didn't always agree with him, of course, but I certainly appreciated that he was up front and clear. I also appreciated that he showed a sympathy for the plight of the RPer that I'd like to see Blizzard show more often.
On the subject of changing names over multiple servers, he said that it was, in fact a question of workload. With over 200 realms in the US alone, he says, tracking down each individual name would be far too much of a pain, and actioning so many names would be too much of a strain. In addition, he says, by waiting for a member of the specific server community to report a name, it allows that community to decide what's acceptable.
On the subject of RP server policy violations, Belfaire said that it's a much more subjective process (Which any veteran reporter of RP server policy violations can most definitely tell you), but he also said that he feels that they do take reports of RP violations very seriously.
He ends by saying that when it comes to policy violations, they try to educate people instead of resorting to punitive measures whenever possible - which he admits is a bit of a business decision. But then again, I'm not against that either. When it comes to RP Violations, I generally only report the most flagrant violators myself, the type who run into the middle of your RP event, start jumping around, yelling gibberish, strip naked, pull mobs through it... that type of thing. Other than that, I try to politely ask people to honor the RP server rules and take OOC conversations to party chat (which is also technically supposed to be IC, but hey, if everyone consents to it being OOC, they aren't hurting any nearby RPers) or a private channel.
I think the one thing that I feel I can't quite get behind is the idea of too much subjectivity in RP server policy enforcement. From my point of view, I feel as if, if we as a community are supposed to decide what's acceptable on the naming policy, the same should be true of the RP Policy, and a reporter's opinion should matter a lot more than it sometimes seems to. Even if someone is able to give a very convincing argument as to why they feel "Missmoo" is totally a valid name for a Tauren RP-wise, I think there's an obvious line between when someone has a genuine RP back story and when they're just trying to get away with flaunting the server rules. At the least, a rule of thumb such as "can you imagine a parent of this character's race naming their child that?" really isn't too outlandish to expect. Of course, what is obvious to me does not seem to be quite as obvious to someone else, as others in the thread came down more on Belfaire's side of that argument. Subjectivity and giving people the benefit of the doubt on names seems to be the order of the day.
I'm still not sure I'm comfortable with the amount of subjectivity Blizzard uses for the RP server policies, but I'd like to give Belfaire credit, as he said RP servers are really stuck having to self-police more than other server types, and as a result, it can genuinely appear like enforcement isn't there. However, he says that enforcement is taken seriously. I honestly do get a bit of comfort from Belfaire's comments, if the GMs taking our tickets have as much passion as he does, there may be hope for us yet. He also mentions that he believes that the devs are looking into giving us RPers more tools, so perhaps some of those will help us enforce the policy and allow us a genuine IC haven more often.
For my part, I think I'm going to keep reporting like I always do, keeping those tricks Belfaire mentioned in mind. I'll be grateful for what does get changed, and live with -- or learn to ignore -- what doesn't. I also think there's a few hints in our conversation about how an RP Server can really get a chance to take off. It's all about community really. Unfortunately, the problem is that the "RP community" on a given RP server is sometimes smaller than the non-RP community. However, it does seem like if an RP community was really to band together and start reporting flagrant use of the the say and yell channels for OOC behavior, and start reporting names with a detailed description of why the name breaks the RP server rules, we might get somewhere. Right now, other solutions seem to be sparse, since Blizzard probably can't or won't hire the amount of people we'd need for them to take care of it for us.
I'd like to thank Belfaire for taking time to answer my questions and comments and generally being a good sport about the whole thing, and I'd invite you to go read the original thread. There was really good discussion there, I felt, no matter which side you agree with.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Virtual selves, Blizzard, RP
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 4)
Krianna Mar 17th 2008 10:46PM
As already posted....it is in violation of the basic naming policy....
However, I'd suggest that you guys managed to piss someone off if you had several folks get booted mid-run.
Rule #1 when you're breaking the rules: don't piss people off.
John Mar 19th 2008 11:32AM
We are under the suspicion that it was a recently /gkicked member.
bloodlight Mar 17th 2008 4:02PM
And Thus we have why when given the choice, if i wanted to play with friends of moving my level; 70 to a RP server or rolling new on a pvp server, I went with the PVP even though i think PVP should be completely removed from the game.
I play the game to relax and have fun not have my actions constrained by some un written set of rules that could get me reported with out notice for doing something so other person say is not in character for me.
Not to mention that is near impossible for some characters to stay character and go any were. Druids in STV would be slaughtering Nessigways not tigers, and over in ferales how long is the leather worker gonna live when he tells a druid he thinks we need to slaughter yetis just so he can make a fancy cloak.
Many of the other classes and races have similar problems.
So if ya love role playing allthe more power too you, But at least try to be consistant and learn about the person your reporting , before you just randomly hit that button.
Cynra Mar 17th 2008 5:25PM
Then you made the right choice. Roleplaying servers exist for people who want to roleplay. The premise behind them is to provide an environment who want to have an added dimension to the game that is not regularly available on other servers. Contrary to popular opinion, it's not intended to be a safe haven for people who want to escape what is commonly perceived to be the "kiddiness" of other servers. If you have no interest in roleplaying, then you probably shouldn't be considering rolling a toon on a roleplaying server.
Yes, I understand that sometimes people make mistakes when creating a character. Yes, I can see how you can choose to roll a toon on any roleplaying server even though the game clearly states when you roll a character what type of server it is and how special rules may apply. However, that shouldn't prevent you from realizing that there are commonly accepted rules - many of them defined by the staff at Blizzard itself - that should be followed by every member of the server. These do include naming conventions and standards of conduct which are present on the official website. While I don't advocate mindlessly reporting most people are who not roleplayers (which is not the same as anti-roleplayers), these people who are on roleplaying servers should recognize that, yes, they can and may very well be reported at any time for a violation. If they choose to disregard the rules, then the repercussions are appropriate.
So there are two things to take of this. One, if you have no interest in roleplaying, a RP server is probably isn't for you. And if you roll a character on one, you could one day be held accountable for adhering to realm rules. Two, Blizzard needs to clearly define those rules as opposed to having them hidden on the official site. The description present when creating a character on these servers is not detailed nor descriptive enough; by clearly stating that there are commonly held rules that can be enforced on these servers at the discretion of the GM and community, less confusion or heartache can result when people roll toons on these servers.
And, to end on a cheesy note: "Now you know. And knowing is half the battle!"
Truckin Mar 17th 2008 3:10PM
Here's the thing that urks me about this whole process and why I ignore it now as a futile effort.
-Player A reports player B for a name violation
-Player B receives name violation notice
-Player B changes name to another violation name
-Player B gets player C to report their new name
-Player B gets 2nd notice
-Player B changes name to original violation name
(rinse repeat; In Infinitum)
Blizzard doesn't do anything to blacklist a verified name violation. There is no credibility to the system.
Dotixi Mar 17th 2008 3:17PM
I don't RP but I don't think anyone should have to justify their naming choice to anyone. Has #8 John says, what's wrong with DrPain?
Calybos Mar 18th 2008 8:23AM
And if you're following the rules, you DON'T have to justify it to anyone. (Other than Blizzard, who owns the game.)
But if you DO explore RP, you have to play by the rules that are in force there, too. And that includes names. So, yes... you DO have to justify your name to someone.
Cynra Mar 17th 2008 3:24PM
As a longtime roleplayer on the Feathermoon US server, I can say that many of us have felt the pain of banging our collective head against the wall as we deal with policing basic Blizzard policies that are applied equally on PvP, RP, and RP-PvP servers. Every couple of months, a new campaign starts up in which people push to report names in clear violation of the rules or even something as simple as reporting the multitude of RP griefers that exist on a roleplaying server - which, as always, confuses the heck out of me!
Fortunately, we have a wonderful community on Feathermoon and a very active one. We have alliances that exist to promote roleplaying. We have a server website that has a VERY heavy roleplaying slant and exists to support the roleplaying community. Roleplaying events - both limited to one action and even cross-faction - are frequently posted on our official forums. Without that backbone that provides guidelines for acceptable roleplaying, that engages people to either begin roleplaying or continue to roleplay, and that inclusive attitude, I can't imagine what our server would be like.
What I am saddened to see is the lack of GMs that actually have knowledge of roleplaying servers and the challenges we face. Or, even better, basic principles of roleplaying and the standards to which we hold ourselves - as well as etiquette. I've spoken with numerous GMs that seem very close to treating our complaints as frivolous. On the other hand, I've interacted with quite a few GMs that conducted their discussions in-character (that was ABSOLUTELY refreshing!), seemed to have fun with it, and seemed genuinely concerned and helpful. After these talks, I always contact Blizzard thanking the company for the help of that GM (mentioned specifically by name!) and letting them know that that kind of behavior is not only appreciated but also desired by many people within the community.
What I would love to see is a champion GM on each server that is intimately tied to the server, engages in frequent discussions on the forums, and is willing to champion our cause and face our tribulations with us. I don't feel that I should have to explain to a GM what OOC or IC is, or why that idiot spouting anti-roleplaying sentiments right next to me while I and others are engaged in roleplaying should be reported. I know from discussions one early morning with a GM who was kind enough to speak to me during his brief free time after my page that GMs are frequently rotated through servers. However, I feel that having even a single GM who interacted with the community on a regular basis and understood what basic standards were accepted by the vast majority of the community would help aleviate a lot of these problems. And perhaps allow Blizzard to take a partial proactive stance on policing roleplaying servers of any type, which would probably result in more happier customers who recognize that there is a regular face that they can turn to when/if there are problems and know that their complaints or reports will be understood.
Zali Mar 17th 2008 3:29PM
I had never played video games any more advanced that Defender on the Atari when I was a kid, so when I decided to play WoW I didn't have a clue what I was getting in to. When I rolled my character, I rolled on the recommended low level server on the list, which was an RPPVP server. If I had known better I would have rolled on a Normal Server. I don't RP, and don't care to. I don't PVP either, at least not by choice, and don't intend to. By the time I got it all figured out, it was WAY to late. I had made friends where I am, and have a vested interest in the group that I play with.
Usually I am very much a "live and let live" sort of guy. I never gank anyone who is just questing or farming, and I only world PVP to defend myself or others in my faction. And RP'rs are free to RP all they want and I don't have anything against them.... except for the fact that all the RP'rs I've had the displeasure of meeting are just like the author of this article. Where I am a "live and let live" sort, they all seem to be "my way or the highway" sorts.
My personal hot button is the name of my old guild. AFK. We liked it. We never recruited, we didn't PVP, and we didn't raid. We were just a social group with a similar sense of humor, and ended up with about 80 unique members of all levels. Mostly we were a leveling guild that helped people level up. Very friendly, zero drama. Till some RP jerks decided that AFK wasn't RP enough for their taste.
Because of the makeup of the guild, very loose collection of folks trying to level, who had all joined for one reason... that they liked the name, when we had to change the name the guild fell apart. I happen to take that very personally, because two friends and myself started the guild when we were just lvl 15. It had been our home for more than a year. We didn't roll play, and didn't have back story's, or even characters, per se, but we did have an affinity for our little corner of the game.
Some of you RPers are self righteous pricks who can't leave other people to just enjoy the game their own way. You're worse than ganking SOB's who get a thrill from killing people 20 levels below them just for the sheer joy of being a jerk. At least they know they are being jerks. You all just think you are morally superior to the non RP players that hang around.
The fact that you go around reporting peoples names to such a degree that you ACTUALLY have two recent articles on WoW Insider dedicated to the art or reporting people for having names that you don't like just goes to show what self indulgent twerps you are.
I don't play the way you play. So what? I don't respond to requests to join RP guilds because I don't want to. I would rather join a bunch of non-RP folks who don't mind if I'm out of character because I don't have one. Then again, if someone trys to talk to me "in character" I don't hastle them or give them a hard time. Like I said, "Live and let live."
Please don't tell me to change servers. Its way to late for that. But please, I don't worship your RP religion, and I don't want to be converted to it either. Stop acting like religious extreamists who insist that everyone live your RP law lest you have their names chopped off.
Leave me alone and give me my friggin guild name back.
turbonutz Mar 17th 2008 3:41PM
Well said.
mcclary Mar 17th 2008 3:42PM
That stinks about your guild name. I rerolled on a RPPVP server with a RL friend and he had to change his name from Noshame. The char i rolled was an AfricanAmerican human pally named Blackhamma, which is my friends nickname IRL. I loved the name and I loved the character. My friend said the name would prob get reported and i was saddened because I loved it so much. So i can imagine how you felt. I stopped playing that character other reasons, so he never got reported though.
LuckyJoe13 Mar 17th 2008 3:47PM
@Zali
So, let me get this straight....
..you're pissed off because you broke a rule *Blizzard* made, and someone called you on it? Seems like your real beef is with Blizzard, but what do *I* know? :)
I've had a toon on every different type of server, so it turns out it *IS* possible to switch servers, thus, it can never be "way too late". Or, if starting over isn't your flavor, they offer a paid character transfer that won't exactly break the bank.
I admit, it's your bad luck that you randomly picked a rp-pvp server when you don't want to do either, but when subjected to a list of choices, if one choice is "Normal" and another is what can undoubtedly be called gibberish to someone who doesn't know what "rp-pvp" means.. why oh why would you choose something other than "Normal"?
Lastly, your "live and let live" attitude looks great on paper, but the rules are there for a (presumably) good reason, and in the real world, if you "live and let live" when someone commits a crime, it's called "accessory". Just a thought. :P
Have a wicked decent day.
Zali Mar 17th 2008 3:52PM
Dont get me wrong. I understand that there are clearly offensive names. I had a friend that got reported for using the name SneakyHebrew. Being Jewish and a rogue, it was highly appropriate, but I can also see how it is highly inapprorpiate. But his brother had to change his name from Tunafish, which he liked, to Tunahelper, which is even more of a name violation because it's an actual product. haha... but all of his toons are named Tuna*something*. Sneakyhebrew I understand needed to be changed for true offensive reasons, but Tunafish only had to be changed because an RP'r got into somebody's business where they shouldn't have been.
Yes, if there are "real" problems with non RP jerks too, who like to go out of their way to hassel and harrass RP'rs, and they should be reported for that ACTIVITY!!! But a name that is neither racial, religious, gender, sexual or *whatever else* related, like Tunafish, should just be ignored if you don't think it is RP. Like my guild AFK. It didn't hurt anyone, was game related, in a way. (We had a battlecry... "AFK, We'll BRB." Like I said, we all had a similar sense of humor."
Report real problems, and leave the imaginary ones alone. Thats all I'm saying.
Malachi154 Mar 17th 2008 5:48PM
It will never cease to amaze me that there is no longer any sense of personal responsibility in our society. Person A reads the rules. Person A ignores the rules. Person A gets pissed at every other person because Person A is held to the rules. Person A holds the group responsible for his actions. Person B makes a mistake. Person B expects everyone else to tolerate Person B's mistake. Person B gets pissed at every other person when they refuse to capitulate, even tho they didn't make a mistake. Person B holds the group responsible for his mistake. It's insane, but hey, we created the society...
Sean Riley Mar 17th 2008 6:33PM
The real issue here is that the 'automatic sort' that the game does to begin with doesn't distinguish between RP and non-RP, which is one of the major clues that Blizzard really don't have a lot of interest in maintaining RP as a viable way of playing.
There's already a four tick question box at the start -- It should explain what each one is, and if you don't tick RP as your option ... then it shouldn't sort you RP.
I'm sorry to hear about your story. I guess the flipside for us is that it takes very little to break the immersion in gameplay that is the whole point for RP players. To us, a name like Gandallf (which yeah, I reported) is as much an attack as the report. Is it a bad attitude? Perhaps. But it's so frustrating to see that even the alleged 'RP 'servers are anything but.
Calybos Mar 18th 2008 8:23AM
You're on a roleplaying server with no interest in, or attempt to, roleplay.
I think a fairer response would be "You leave US alone, sir." Go to a non-RP server and your problem is solved.
Juliah Mar 19th 2008 6:37PM
When you first start Warcraft, the terms of use are posted. When you attempt to access a roleplaying server for the first time, specific RP terms of use are also displayed. I'm not trying to be mean, but frankly, your situation is of your own creation. If you had read the rules in the first place, you wouldn't be there. It's your own fault, so don't blame the roleplayers. We get precious few playgrounds as it is, and don't need non-roleplayers coming on to our turf and being disruptive. You made a bad choice: take responsibility for it.
If I don't read the assigned novel for a class, and then I fail the test, whose fault is it? Mine. the same thing applies here.
As for Daniel's post, I completely agree with this segment of it:
"At the least, a rule of thumb such as 'can you imagine a parent of this character's race naming their child that?' really isn't too outlandish to expect."
If it doesn't pass that filter, you shouldn't name your character that, OR you shouldn't be on an RP server.
Zali Mar 17th 2008 4:14PM
@ Luckyjoe13
I doubt I could convince my entire raiding party to switch to a new server with me. Yes, I know that I can pay to transfer, but that wouldn't solve the problem of me having a WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT I AM FRIENDS WITH... so it is too late. I play a very social game, but I just don't RP.
According to several GM's that we dealt with during the forced name change, is that they didn't care one way or the other, and that we were being forced to change the name because RP players had reported it. Yes, the rule is there, but they don't enforce it if nobody complains. It is a rule that was put in place to give the GM's an out to placate the more nosey types. They didn't care if our guild was AFK. It was fine for more than a year. Some bitty got their drawers in a bunch and reported it. THAT is the person or persons I'm pissed at. Not Blizzard.
And I mentioned that I picked the realm that said "Recommended." I didn't know what PVP, RP, RPPVP or Normal had to do with. For all I know, it had to do with population density or the types of computers that were needed. Gibberish it was. "Recommended" in green text was a very friendly looking endorsement.
Forcing reasonably non-offensive name changes is basically finding a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. And reasonable should be the key word here. Stuff you wouldn't spout off in the office of the Director of HR of your company is probably not good WoW naming material.
And don't be silly. Having a non-RP name in WoW being related to someone commiting a crime??? Thats tantamount of me going off and reporting someone for having a "horseless carriage" on Scottsdale Road in Scottsdale, AZ. They're dangerous because they scare the horses. Techically a crime, last I heard. Just a stupid crime and one that nobody takes seriously. DrPain on an RP server??? A truely victimless crime if there ever was one.
LuckyJoe13 Mar 17th 2008 5:14PM
@Zali, take two.
Although I can't say I was quite hardcore enough to ever report a name in my time playing WoW, I still stand by the fact that the rules (Which, I might add, are *not* "unwritten") for naming policy on RP and RP-PvP servers are there because they are, well, Roleplaying Servers. "Hi, my name is PewPewLazers and my guild is Away from Keyboard." will never fit in a roleplaying environment. Do you propose to say that your $15 a month is more important that a roleplayer's? In fact, you can go to a great deal more servers and have a guild named "AFK" and be just fine and dandy, but the roleplayers of WoW have a very limited number of servers that they can play in a roleplay environment-- and even those are spoiled by immature 10 year olds (who may or may not have been alive for three times that long, if ya get my drift) and the great number of people who are there "because my friend played there." Come off it, we all know the people who use that excuse were curious about roleplaying, but don't want to admit it. They probably would have gotten into it, if not for those 10 year olds I mentioned!
Anyway, the point is, people are paying good money to have a place where they can take a load off and roleplay their hearts out, and people like you are there, for whatever excuse, when there are *many* other servers where you can go and tell CareBear jokes on, and perhaps even be found witty for it. However, a RP server is *not* on of those places, and as far as I'm concerned, if you're not there to roleplay, then you should go somewhere else and leave the people *paying* to roleplay to do their thing.
Is it really that hard to understand? "AFK" directly clashes with a roleplay environment, and for most players, it is floating there over your head, mocking them.
Would I have reported your guild? No, I actually think it's funny, like the guild named "Innkeeper" (Which, I might add, would fit in quite well on a RP server!) but it's still against the naming policy on those servers, and if one person finds that it breaks their roleplay environment, that's reason enough for me to agree that it should go.
I'm sure, once you look at it in an unbiased way, you'll come to see I'm right on this.
Keep having that wicked decent day I mentioned earlier. :)
Cynra Mar 17th 2008 5:39PM
I think you might be a bit more optimistic than I, Lucky! From my experience having played on a roleplaying server for over two years now, there are quite a few people who join roleplaying servers because they're genuinely interested in learning what roleplaying is and getting involved. That's partially how I ended up on Feathermoon US; a friend of mine knew that I was a roleplayer, though I had persistently avoided any server with RP in the name after joining a RP-PvP server for a couple of weeks (I am the product of a PvP server! I thought that I could have my cake and eat it, too!). However, the vast majority of non-roleplayers are there for one of three reasons: "I didn't know what it was," "My friends were here," and "I heard that RP servers are more mature than most servers."
That said, I approach every individual on the server as a potential roleplayer. Sure, you may not roleplay now, but given time, effort, and just casual interaction, maybe I can cajole, coerce, or convince you to join in the fun. No, I very rarely berate (only in extreme cases or with close friends who I'm a-workin' on!). And I don't go out of my way to report people unless it's a blatant violation that probably should be taken care of. However, I'm in character a good 95% of my time (the sole exception being during raids because, hell, it's hard enough managing all of the other details as it is - and I still act IC in /say when given the opportunity!) and I go out of my way to act that way around everyone, including non-roleplayers. "Ya don't like the way tha' miss Csilla's speakin', yah? Well, ya don't have t' talk t' her none if'n ya don't want - she ain't never been good at tha' there lordy-speak or even the gobbley-goo tha' some fellahs speak. Probably'll upset her a bit, but she's young-like an' she'll get over it. An' ya want summat from her? Maybe some o' her right-good healinatin'? Or maybe summat crafted? Ya ain't gettin' nowhere if'n ya don't talk t' her like ya should. She ain't no lady like some o' them peoples she's met, but, like her pappy says, a man should always treat a lass right-like!"
But, again, it's slamming your head against a brick wall.