Belfaire on community policing and GM subjectivity
As you may recall, a few days ago, I wrote a little Dear Blizzard letter on the subject of enforcing the RP and Naming Policy. Of course, Once one writes a letter to someone, it is a good idea to deliver it, and thus I delivered it, or at least the issues therein, over on the Customer Service Forum. I was lucky enough to have Belfaire, who you may remember from his post explaining Blizzard's stance on multi-boxing, answer some of my questions and concerns. I also got some pretty well thought out feedback from a couple other people browsing the forums, including some roleplayers who disagreed with some of my points, so I think the threads worth a read in itself, and I'll comment a bit more on what Belfaire said after the break, now that I've had time to digest it a bit.
First things first, he actually offers some pretty handy tips for reporting. If you have a big batch of names or RP server policy violations to report (the latter hopefully appended with the time it occurred), you can send them to wowgm@blizzard.com, and they will be treated exactly like a report made in-game. In addition, he does confirm what some of our commenters on my last post said: if you could stand to skip the tells, you can simply say in the ticket that you don't wish to be contacted, and unless they need more information from you, they will skip the tell. Also, Belfaire assured me that even if you ask them to skip the tells, they will still take it just as seriously as any other ticket.
Moving on, he did try to explain how Blizzard approaches the issues of policing names and the RP policy. I didn't always agree with him, of course, but I certainly appreciated that he was up front and clear. I also appreciated that he showed a sympathy for the plight of the RPer that I'd like to see Blizzard show more often.
On the subject of changing names over multiple servers, he said that it was, in fact a question of workload. With over 200 realms in the US alone, he says, tracking down each individual name would be far too much of a pain, and actioning so many names would be too much of a strain. In addition, he says, by waiting for a member of the specific server community to report a name, it allows that community to decide what's acceptable.
On the subject of RP server policy violations, Belfaire said that it's a much more subjective process (Which any veteran reporter of RP server policy violations can most definitely tell you), but he also said that he feels that they do take reports of RP violations very seriously.
He ends by saying that when it comes to policy violations, they try to educate people instead of resorting to punitive measures whenever possible - which he admits is a bit of a business decision. But then again, I'm not against that either. When it comes to RP Violations, I generally only report the most flagrant violators myself, the type who run into the middle of your RP event, start jumping around, yelling gibberish, strip naked, pull mobs through it... that type of thing. Other than that, I try to politely ask people to honor the RP server rules and take OOC conversations to party chat (which is also technically supposed to be IC, but hey, if everyone consents to it being OOC, they aren't hurting any nearby RPers) or a private channel.
I think the one thing that I feel I can't quite get behind is the idea of too much subjectivity in RP server policy enforcement. From my point of view, I feel as if, if we as a community are supposed to decide what's acceptable on the naming policy, the same should be true of the RP Policy, and a reporter's opinion should matter a lot more than it sometimes seems to. Even if someone is able to give a very convincing argument as to why they feel "Missmoo" is totally a valid name for a Tauren RP-wise, I think there's an obvious line between when someone has a genuine RP back story and when they're just trying to get away with flaunting the server rules. At the least, a rule of thumb such as "can you imagine a parent of this character's race naming their child that?" really isn't too outlandish to expect. Of course, what is obvious to me does not seem to be quite as obvious to someone else, as others in the thread came down more on Belfaire's side of that argument. Subjectivity and giving people the benefit of the doubt on names seems to be the order of the day.
I'm still not sure I'm comfortable with the amount of subjectivity Blizzard uses for the RP server policies, but I'd like to give Belfaire credit, as he said RP servers are really stuck having to self-police more than other server types, and as a result, it can genuinely appear like enforcement isn't there. However, he says that enforcement is taken seriously. I honestly do get a bit of comfort from Belfaire's comments, if the GMs taking our tickets have as much passion as he does, there may be hope for us yet. He also mentions that he believes that the devs are looking into giving us RPers more tools, so perhaps some of those will help us enforce the policy and allow us a genuine IC haven more often.
For my part, I think I'm going to keep reporting like I always do, keeping those tricks Belfaire mentioned in mind. I'll be grateful for what does get changed, and live with -- or learn to ignore -- what doesn't. I also think there's a few hints in our conversation about how an RP Server can really get a chance to take off. It's all about community really. Unfortunately, the problem is that the "RP community" on a given RP server is sometimes smaller than the non-RP community. However, it does seem like if an RP community was really to band together and start reporting flagrant use of the the say and yell channels for OOC behavior, and start reporting names with a detailed description of why the name breaks the RP server rules, we might get somewhere. Right now, other solutions seem to be sparse, since Blizzard probably can't or won't hire the amount of people we'd need for them to take care of it for us.
I'd like to thank Belfaire for taking time to answer my questions and comments and generally being a good sport about the whole thing, and I'd invite you to go read the original thread. There was really good discussion there, I felt, no matter which side you agree with.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Virtual selves, Blizzard, RP
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 4)
Badger Mar 18th 2008 11:52AM
Ondio says: "AH CAHN'T BELEEF EET'S NOT BUTTAH."
(Little 'Fabio' / model-name humour for you.)
Alderkin Mar 18th 2008 11:38AM
A few things about RP naming violations:
It does not matter whether it was intentional or not.
It does not matter what you think of the people who reported you, the GM that enforced it, or the RP community in general.
It does not matter that there are other people out there with names/performing actions that you find inappropriate.
It does not matter that there are other people out there committing more serious violations such as channel spamming and gold selling.
The only thing that matters: If name is found to be in violation of the RP server standards, the GMs will make you change it. If you don't want to risk this happening, read and understand the naming standards, and follow them. Don't try to see how far you can push the system, and if you do, don't expect any sympathy when it pushes back.
Zali Mar 18th 2008 12:16PM
@Cynra:
I have not said a single thing negative about roleplayers or the roleplaying community. The most disparaging thing I've said about the roleplaying community as a whole is that it isn't for me. What I did say was that there were some roleplayers, as in *individual persons* who let a little pet peeve for them ruin something that was important to other people. The guild had 80+ members, and had thrived for more than a year. What it had to offer was a particular 'feel' that people weren't getting elsewhere. If asked if the name change would have ripped the guild apart, I would have said no... but it is strange what ties bind us. We all join different communities for different reasons. A person might join a church for spiritual reasons, and another might join the same church for social reasons, yet a third might join because it is the closest to their home. A person in 1936 Germany might join the Nazi party because they drank the Kool-Aid, or simply because it was the safest route for yourself and your family. A sense of friendship, commen interest, etc, all play a role in why we join a group. I don't know why AFK was so important to the people that joined it. It just was.
Again, call it a victimless crime. Blizzard has all but said that they don't police these things and only take action if someone reports a violation. Like you said, you would have ignored it. You would have shruged your shoulders IF you even NOTICED it, and just not worried about it. Who ever reported it is who I am annoyed with, not the whole RP community.
LuckyJoe13 Mar 18th 2008 12:46PM
@Zali, day two at sea.
You *did* call roleplayers.. what was it? Childish and petulant. Someone who had already run everyone off from their life, wasn't it? Since you don't know WHO reported your guild, it could have been anyone who has ever roleplayed, and thus, might as well be all those that roleplay.
The term "victimless crime" you keep tossing around is misleading: Anything that clashes or disturbs the roleplay environment (and, coincidentally enough, breaks the RP sever rules) has a victim-- the person or persons who reported you. If it stood out enough for someone to notice, and take the time to submit a ticket to report you, then it was just as disruptive as, say, me getting on my warlock and fearing your tagged targets until they bring down a very sizable train on you. I interrupted your grinding with a fear bomb, you interrupted their roleplay with a guild name that was not in character. Easy, hmm?
I, too, will express my skepticism that the simple changing of a guild name caused it's untimely (?) destruction. If three letters held it together, then it was about to fail anyway.
The simple fact is, you clearly don't belong on a RP server. Your guild name would have been perfectly acceptable on any non-RP server, as far as I know, and you could easily server hop until you found one without a guild named AFK and salvaged your guild name and therefore, your domain. You *chose* to stay, and so you *chose* to be bound by that server's rules.
In a quick side note, I've never actually seen Godwin's Law (google it) in effect, until your last post-- and my life is all that much closer to being complete because of it-- for that you have my thanks. :)
Now, quit your.. how do you raiders say it, your QQ and play by the rules like the rest of us. :P
(Your tears are delicious!) :P
PS- Anyone know the "best" server for alliance RP? All this talk is making me want to try it again. Servers with a guild named "AFK" need not apply. :)
Cynra Mar 18th 2008 2:30PM
Sir Luckyjoe, while I can't say that we're the best or that we're inundated with less anti-roleplaying or idiocy than any other server, Feathermoon US has been identified a couple of times as a rather friendly roleplaying server with a thriving roleplaying community. There is a roleplaying alliance that is currently sweeping the server (or has been, maybe? I've been occupied with raiding and maintaining a guild in recent months) of dedicated and experienced roleplayers who are trying to promote roleplaying and engage people, while there is also a server website that is dedicated to the roleplaying community. It's been my home for roleplaying for two years now, so I'm admittedly biased. However, you know that there's at least one roleplayer running amok there!
If you want, check out Feathermoon US and see what is going on!
* Feathermoon WoWWiki article: http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Feathermoon
* Feathermoon DotNet (FM.net): http://www.feathermoon.net/
* Roleplay Alliance (RPA): http://www.feathermoonrpa.proboards98.com/
And, hey, a quick check of the Armory shows no AFK guilds on Feathermoon! Sweet!
sweetp626 Mar 18th 2008 12:55PM
I don't RP so what happens on RP servers is really RP'ers business. What I DO have issue with however, is that as a result of this topic there are suddenly name reporting sprees on NON-RP servers. People are trolling the armory and reporting anything they see. My fried was told by a GM last night that one of the characters on his account violated the naming policy as was booted. The GM did not tell him which toon or give him anything else. (This being his FIRST naming violation) He opened wow back up expecting to have to rename his toon as we told him on vent thats what would happen and he was OK with that. What does he find when he gets to his character screen? That his main had unceremoniously been renamed Alaw for him. No option to rename it himself. Thats the type of thing I take issue with. Someone think my name offensive and I have to change it, fine. But to have a GM just slap a new name on toon feels like they want to fleece me for a $10 name change.
I'm sorry but going from the name Baybieater (He'a a Orc Lock that consumes the flesh of those he kills, even children. I think that might go even on an RP server) to a name that sounds really too close to the name of a RL religious deity is insane. Really how is that any better that what he had?
Also, some people on non-RP servers (won't speak for RP-servers because I don't know if it happens there) just report names to be jerks themseles because it is SO easy to do to aggrivate someone. They see someone in trade sellin the same item they are trying to hock and undercutting their price by 10%, they report his name. Someone gets told on trade they are immuture and childish for using racial slurs, guess what they report everyone in the trade channel that said that type thing to them to try to aggrivate the people that report them for that type of laguage.
I understand you break the policy, you have to rename. I have no issue with that. The problem is the enforcement (If I have to change at least let me pick the new one especialy on the first offense) and the reporting mechanic. The GM's just knee-jerk recact to any name reported without even looking at the name, even if it IS within the policy its still has to be changed cause someone reported it. (I've seen that happen on my server as well) There needs to be a way for name report to actually be used ONLY for names that actually violate and make it harder for some petty people to use to get back at people. Just my $0.02
Alaw Mar 18th 2008 3:26PM
Ya'll best praise me or ya'll never git-er-done in Paradise!
Thanks, Blizzard GM. I *know* this new persona you created for me is WAY less offensive than the old one.
Alaw Mar 19th 2008 9:10AM
P.S. - Blizzard eventually allowed me a name change without paying for it. However, their policy has been quietly changed such that any name reported is automatically randomized.
The GM who allowed me a name change essentially did not follow the new policy but I am thankful that he did.
Kalandrah Mar 25th 2008 4:52AM
Can't reply on the US forums but I'd just like to point out that being unable to change a name on all realms because it's too much works sounds like bad design. Isn't that why we have computers?
You add a certain name to the list, and the computer generates the appropriate e-mails/notifications and forces any player who logs in with that name to have to rename to something else. The name will also be added to the "unavailable" list at character creation, assuring that such a name will not be used again.
Sure, it's not 100% foolproof either, but in 3 years time you'll have filtered out a lot of offensive/inappropriate names.