Why the language barrier might be a good idea after all
It seems to come up quite often. Someone wants the language barrier bought down. Even if it requires questing or skilling up, they want to be able to talk to the other faction. It would even make lore sense, since at the least, Undead and Blood Elves should probably know common, and Thalassian is probably close enough to Darnassian that someone who knows one language should probably be able to get the gist of the other. That said, Blizzard's held pretty fast to the principle of squelching cross-factional communication. The only way you can make yourself known to the other side is with the default emotes, or sometimes with a bit of creative typing that can only convey crude messages.
Honestly, at one point I was pretty gung-ho on removing the language barrier. As an RPer, a big part of the fun for me is being able to talk, act out scenes, say stuff in character, and all that. It was sort of annoying sometimes that I could be in an epic struggle with, say, a guild of Undead assassins, but any actual communication we made, be it OOC arranging of the storyline and in-game events or IC trash talk, would have to all be on message boards and email. It loses some of the spontaneity of in-game interaction. That said, lately I think I've decided that I'm fine with the current of level of cross-faction communication. Talking to the other side would cause more trouble than it would be worth.
The thing that most contributed to changing my mind was the arenas. When the Arenas first came out, there was no language barrier for same faction teams. Now, even if we're fighting each other in the arena, you'd think maybe there would be some same faction pride, we could play fair be nice to each other, and all that.
No, sorry. Alliance are jerks, apparently. Admittedly, the incidents were few and far between, but they were there. My brother and I would queue up for our 2v2 matches. We'd get alliance teams. Sometimes they'd start with the taunts the moment the gates opened, boldly saying they were going to play with us. They might kill one of us and toy with the other, running around, chain-CCing, letting us DPS them for a while then healing up, all the while with the yells and taunts. Honestly, if that's how people are going to act, I'm suddenly seeing the wisdom of limiting cross-faction communication. To me, it's not too much to expect a little bit of sportsmanship and a sense of fair play, but if there's too many people who just want to be jerks, it's probably for the best that there's a few extra barriers between them and easy jerkdom.
These days, they've squelched communication in arenas as well. Now when someone from the other team says something, even if we're both Alliance, all I see is "PlayerX yells/says something to his team." Ever since then, I don't think we've had one team play with us. To me, that's a good sign that limiting cross faction communication is, in fact, an effective deterrent to griefing. Apparently people aren't quite as keen on being jerks to you if they can't taunt you while they do it.
While it might be nice to yell speeches back and forth with your evil Blood Elf archenemy when roleplaying, or even just set up a Booty Bay AH deal without message boards or alts coming into the equation, it seems the lure of being a jerk is probably just too much for some people to handle. So to me, it's probably for the best that the language barrier remain in place.
I suppose if you're really dying for trash talk (And you are either on a PvE server or have two accounts), you can just log on over to the other side after the battle's over. At the least, the process of logging out and logging back in might give you time to cool off.
Filed under: Horde, Battlegrounds, RP, Factions, Lore, PvP, Virtual selves, Analysis / Opinion, Alliance, Arena






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Fizzed Mar 17th 2008 4:12PM
Considering how mean same-side people are to each other in BGs, i can't imagine the hate-fest that would brew if folks from opposing factions could talk to each other during PvP.
That having been said, /say communication outside of BGs/Arenas would be a fun thing to quest for.
Mindaika Mar 17th 2008 4:58PM
That's exactly my thoughts. Every BG I'm in is filled with "Lern two play ur class, nub!" I cannot even imagine what it would be like with cross-faction comm. I envision an AV with 39 toons parked in starting caves trading insults while a Belf and dwarf battle it out midfield.
Rubin Mar 17th 2008 4:13PM
Cross-faction talk was allowed in the early beta which for obvious reasons was removed and then it was that the Undead being human before were able to talk to humans which was also removed then in the beta. I honestly think it doesn't really make a difference but if you did allow cross-faction talking all you would hear is trash talk 24/7.
Matthew Mar 17th 2008 4:55PM
Heh, I remember getting some pretty angry whispers after ganking people in the beta. Was amusing, but yeah, probably best to take it out.
Chuddy Mar 17th 2008 4:15PM
Nice article. I was doing the BT attunement chain in SMV the other day. The part where you have to kill the 3 elites and then kill the elite that lands. The trick of the quest is you can do it from a ledge and they'll only shadowbolt you. Anyways an a undead warlock landed on the ledge. I'm a hunter. Crap. It's like dog's and cats when we see each other on the server anywhere else. However this one landed and pointed at the elites. I noded. So together we killed all the elites and I got the quest done! Then it was his turn and I helped him. At the end I said " SS EE OO P" which means me like you to horde. I was totally pumped for the first time I used that and meant it. :-) There are always ways to get around the barrier. hehe.
frank Mar 18th 2008 1:37AM
Heh, I love when the emotes are used to barter peace. That same quest line--the 5 man part-- I two manned it + one horde. So it was something I likely couldn't have done without that awesome elemental shamans help. Then me and my alliance buddy stuck around and completed it for him... I even had to use the emotes to show him where to stand to "cheat" and not aggro everything. Lots of /pointing, /waving, and examples. It was much more fun than killing him would have been in my opinion.
arcady0 Mar 17th 2008 4:16PM
"Alliance are jerks, apparently"
Yep.
Nuff said right there. Last thing I want is to have to listen to the Night Elves. It's bad enough listening to all the ex-alliance blood elves, worse when you're on your own BE alt (cause hey, I tried making a Tauren Paladin but I couldn't find the button for it) and they think you're one of them... :p
Sometimes it would be nice - but those helping hand moments are few, and can be done in vent, email, message boards, or wherever.
arcady0 Mar 17th 2008 4:25PM
On the other hand, I also play Guild Wars, and if I recall correctly you can cross talk in some of the BG's. But they're the 'random' ones - wherein if you lose you exit the arena and when you come back you're on a new random 4, 6, or 8-man team (depending on which arena you went to) - and there are good odds someone on your team was on the other side last fight or any other recent fight before that.
So trash talk dies down pretty quick. The matches only tend to last at most 10 minutes, often less than 2 or 3, so you can end up cycling around a -lot-.
But for anything but random teams I would agree that cross-talk would just cause problems.
Ametrine Mar 17th 2008 5:45PM
Tauren paladin?
Holy cow.
Verit Mar 17th 2008 7:24PM
There's some wierd notion that all blood elves are former alliance players. This simply isn't true, but I guess its a nice stereotype because it gives you someone to blame when you lose a bg.
Anyhow back when I played horde as an undead warlock, one of my friends who was an undead mage rolled a blood elf warlock just because he wanted one and he's played on horde way longer than me, but he still gets that treatment.
Polynikes Mar 17th 2008 11:14PM
but they are. belfs=high elves who were alliance
dont believe me? go watch the Zul Aman trailer
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1415820849150017009&q=zul+aman+trailer&total=97&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
zul jin kinda spells it out right there!
thanks for playing though.
Polynikes Mar 17th 2008 11:16PM
ignore the above comment. im a fool and a lil trashed missed the word "player"
C.A. Mar 17th 2008 4:17PM
As soon as you have made someone so mad through world pvp (not ganking, btw) on a normal realm that they make a level one character to cuss you out, then you realize that cross-server communication is a bad idea. People just aren't mature enough to handle it. It would be that many more tickets for Blizzard to deal with and they already have their hands full with all the other reports, like name violations :P
Bobbysin Mar 17th 2008 4:19PM
I wasn't fine with that barrier so I patched the game to allow me to understand and to speak every available language.
But it wasn't fun so I reported this bug :)
Chris A Mar 17th 2008 6:26PM
This has bothered me alot since I have real life friends on the opposing faction. I would love to be able to talk to them! I think it's kinda silly we can't.
I think a Language Tutor in the game would be awesome to teach you other languages. Maybe through a tough chain of quests? Or for an enormous amount of gold? Or both?
Saelorn Mar 17th 2008 4:33PM
Don't forget about Ironfoe. I remember reading a little while back about how the rarely dropped hammer will allow horde to spontaneously burst into Dwarvish.
David(Postal) Mar 17th 2008 4:35PM
this would really hurt battlegrounds communications. what if someone says something out loud instead of BG chat? that would be a disaster!
Kiriy Mar 17th 2008 8:46PM
Honestly, in the average BG, at least in my battlegroup, it wouldn't matter. Most of it is people yelling random instructions that no one heeds (at least in PuGs - coordinated groups tend to be on Vent anyway so no risk there!).
robotrock Mar 17th 2008 4:37PM
I've had more than enough Belf /laugh (which are super irritating) and Undead /spit emotes to last me a lifetime.
Schadow Mar 17th 2008 4:38PM
I don't PvP regularly so I don't have much cause to experience the immature griefing you describe. However, it is very easy to imagine, on both sides of the faction line.
I find the language barrier interesting. There was once when we were doing a difficult group quest in Shadowmoon Valley when we ran across a Horde group doing the same event, but with a group makeup that made it nearly impossible. So we helped them through the event, and they in turn helped us.
Communicating to them through the limited emotes in the game was challenging, but led to a satisfying experience.