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4-07-2008 @ 12:02PM
This is just my opinion, and Im sure alot of people would seriously disagree, but the biggest problem most guilds have to overcome to become a succesful casual raiding guild is that 25 people is still just way too many. Yeah wow is an rpg game, but the social standards IRL still hold pretty true in game. Im no social psychologist (i did take BOTH psyc and soan 101 though), and maybe this is a vast overgeneralization, but if I had to guess, I would say the average wow player is one who prefers getting together with a small group of friends at the pub over the big blowout bash at your local disco. And where do the fights always seem to break out? Its always at the disco. Its not really anyone's fault, the disco just has too many temptations, thats where people show up in their epics, they bring their best game, and all the d00ds try to leave at the end of the night with the best prize. Its where the Tom Cruise Purple is, and you know you shouldnt try it, but once it hits your lips youre hooked. Think of wow like a sports franchise. What other franchise feels its necessary to pit 25 people against one another? I cant think of any, i just dont think it would be managable. 5 or 11 seems to be the magic number in most cases which is pretty close to what we have in wow. Five people is the magic dungeon number, and add a pet to your kara raid and youre looking at a professional football (american or otherwise) squad. Can you imagine 6 Tom Bradys throwing 6 footballs to 6 Randy Mosses while 6 Logan Mankins block for 6 Kevin Faulks and a Corey Dillon (sorry Corey, just needed to round out 25)? Itd be madness! Blizzard has said before that the 10 mans are far and away the most popular instances in the game, hopefully we'll see more of them in the future, and less guild killers. But i digress.PS: yes thats pretty much the extent of my football knowlege.
4-07-2008 @ 12:16PM
"What other franchise feels its necessary to pit 25 people against one another?"Well, since when was raiding about competition? I know, you get the silly e-peen DPS competitions, but apart from those it's all about co-operation and group synergy to get the boss down. And even the DPS competitions are minor in a casual guild. At least, that's what I've found from my experience. I haven't seen many, if any fights break out while I've been raid leading 25 mans, and we're very much stuck into T5.I also find that 10 mans are very limiting, in more ways than one. Limiting in that not as many people can go (you can run two groups, but that's still 5 going without if you have the numbers for a 25 man raid), and limiting in terms of boss fight mechanics. Maybe it's just me, but I find 25 man fights far more interesting and fun than 10 man encounters.That isn't to say 10 mans don't have their fair share of fun. Jan'alai for instance in ZA is pretty fun, albeit chaotic and unforgiving. Shade of Aran is also a fun fight. The main problem however is that a lot of 10 man fights essentially boil down to tank and spank fights, with a couple of abilities to watch out for.So yeah. 25 mans, while potentially difficult to organise, are easily some of the most fun you can have in WoW. And if you can manage it without drama and ridiculously strict rules regarding attendance and loot, so much the better!
4-07-2008 @ 1:06PM
I've seen far more drama center around the TBC 10 mans than I have any of the 25 man raids.
4-07-2008 @ 2:23PM
To #'s 5 and 6:#4 wasn't suggesting that 25 man raids compete with each other, he was saying that it's more difficult to coordinate 25 people to a task (beating another team or beating a boss), than it is for 11 people.And the reason you see more drama with 10 mans is that FAR more people are doing them. More runs of an instance = more opportunities for drama = more drama. Also, since it takes less coordination to do a 10 man, you get less experienced and less mature people, imo.
I believe that your thinking about "raiding casually", not a "casual raiding guild". As Scott said, raiding casually does not work. period. Finding 25 people when you are raiding casually is just one of the issues there.Now, for a casual raiding guild, who is serious about their raiding, 25 people is not that big of a burden.
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