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4-07-2008 @ 1:18PM
I've been 70 for about 2 or 3 months, and I am interested in raiding but have only been to kara once so far. Once I hit 70 I joined a new guild with hopes of going to Kara, but it was all "you have to be here tomorrow at 7pm" etc etc and I just hated it. World Of Warcraft is a game for me, not a job. I love playing it, but if a mate rings me up and wants to hang out, I'm going to do that instead of play WoW. Unfortunately that leaves 9 other guild members annoyed that I didn't turn up...The casual/hardcore thing seems like this to me: there are people who play when they have nothing else to do (casual, me) and people who just... play all the time.I would love to raid more and I'm pretty sure I have the skill/concentration etc to do it, I'm just not willing to have a mate come to my door or ring me up and say "sorry I cant do anything, i'm busy raiding". Thats how you lose touch with real life...
4-07-2008 @ 1:51PM
Andy,Raiding requires balancing the game and real life. You won't be able to see endgame content if you cannot set aside the time to do so. That doesn't mean that you should end up raiding 24 x 7, and ignoring your real life friends either.If your guild raids Kara once or twice a week, you have to commit to those times or get used to the idea that you are not going to be killing Price and Nightbane anytime soon. It's not fair to those other 9 people for you to up and leave in the middle.Please don't assume people who raid do not have lives outside of the game, and that they play because they have nothing else to do. For some people that might be true, but for most casual players who raid, they have to work very hard at balancing.Personally, I'm a raid leader in a guild that finally downed Magtheridon, Lurker, Hydross and Void Reaver in the last month or so. We've done this with scheduled 25-man raids three times per week.
4-07-2008 @ 2:35PM
Being unreliable will guarantee you never see raid action with your guild. It is not about 'not having a life', it is about keeping your promises when you have others relying on you and that IS a big part of being an adult.
4-07-2008 @ 3:30PM
Thanks for your replies. But yeah, my point is I don't want to commit to raiding times because I don't want to not turn up when people are expecting me. I know this is just the nature of the game I just wish it was easier for people to get into. If you can balance real life and raiding then well done to you, I wish I knew how, but I think that if you embark on the journey of raiding, you are going to end up having to turn down real life social occasions, and that's not very healthy.
4-07-2008 @ 3:44PM
Yeah, try participating in any team event, say a soccer game, then tell your team "Yeah, sorry guys, I can't commit to a game a week. I might get a call on my cell to hang out with a friend."The fact is, raiding is a team event and requires some at least minimal commitment. I guess the 9 other people that are setting aside a block of time to do something fun aren't "healthy" but should somehow be available to do stuff when you feel like it.I personally refuse to raid spur of the moment anymore. It's not because I don't have time. It's because when you PUG a raid, you'll end up with a bunch of people that don't even put minimal effort in, causing a several hour wipefest. Sorry, not fun.
4-07-2008 @ 8:57PM
George's team analogy is perfectly accurate. It's no different from telling your friends, "I can't hang out on Tuesdays and Thursdays, because I play in a local basketball league." Why is that so hard? You can always make plans with your friends ahead of time. It sounds like you don't want your friends to know that you play WoW or at least that you play seriously enough to raid. You're looking at raiding like it's a slippery slope: it starts with Tuesdays and Thursdays and before you know it, you have no life, play 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, and stop bathing or seeing the sun. That's not true, unless you have self-control issues.Make time for raiding and time for your friends and you should be fine.
4-08-2008 @ 4:43AM
The team analogy would of course be accurate, if world of warcraft was a sport and not a video game. Can you seriously call it a sport and keep a straight face?
4-08-2008 @ 5:03AM
Ahhh, so you ARE afraid your friends will find out. Dude, it's a raiding guild, not an auto-erotic asphyxiation club. The point is that in order to make time for a team-activity, aka raiding, you have to set aside a few hours each week that you are "busy" to your friends. Hell, make up another activity if you are so afraid of being ridiculed by your friends.
4-08-2008 @ 12:51PM
Well that of course is your choice, but you will have to accept that you will likely not see the inside of a raid dungeon unless you can commit to the time your team has decided. Enjoy the solo content though, there is enough of it to keep you occupied.
4-08-2008 @ 1:27PM
It's a social team activity. If you're not willing to concede that, there's no point in talking to you. GTFO.
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