Why the PvP game exists in WoW, and why it's a good thing
Last night I posted why I feel that the PvE game has been, is, and always will be the real game in WoW. One of the interesting inferences that people made was that I don't like PvP, and that I don't do it. Nothing is further from the truth. It was interesting to read the number of comments on that article, and I think it might surprise some folks that save for this introduction paragraph and a few edits I made, this article was written before I wrote my PvE piece.So, why do I PvP? What attracts me to the PvP game, and why is it a worthwhile thing to do in WoW? There are three primary reasons that PvP is a game worth playing. First, it provides a critical and necessary change of pace from the PvE game. Secondly, it gives those with limited play time an opportunity to enjoy the game and succeed at what they do. Finally, PvP is beginning to turn into a legitimate eSport, and provides some good entertainment there in. Let's look at each of these reasons individually.
A Change of Pace
Raiding and playing the same five man instances can get quite boring over time. While several encounters are scripted to have random elements in them, they essentially come down to repeating the same thing over and over. PvP provides a different thing to do – even though some fights essentially come down to the same action again and again.
In order to keep the game interesting a change of pace is needed. PvP provides this. Without it, the game would become stale and bland, with only the PvE side of things to do. This would no doubt draw away a portion of the player base, something that any game wants to avoid.
A Casual Approach
You might only have a few hours a week to play WoW, and that's just fine. PvP provides a great way for those with limited play time to get some nice gear and have fun while doing it. Casual PvP makes for a great way to retain the player base, and thus keep the PvE updates to the game coming. Of course, there is also casual raiding and instance playing too, and that's another fine aspect of the game.
However one thing that PvE casual play can't approach PvP casual play is in the rewards that it earns. It simply is easier and quicker to get good PvP gear casually than it is to get good PvE gear casually. It might take a casual guild four or five months to clear Kara, but only take a month or two to get a full PvP epic set.
This is not to say however that, just like raiders, there are not hard core PvP players. The arenas, especially the higher end competitive arm of it (like the arena tournament), caters to those who want to take a hard core approach to PvP. And that's a great way to spend your time if you're into that. While I personally am more of a hard core raider than a PvPer, I still do enjoy my weekly arena matches.
A Competitive eSport
PvP in WoW is quickly becoming a legitimate eSport. For evidence of this you need to look no further than the arena tournament that is begin sponsored by Blizzard. The winners of the tournament are going to walk away with a hefty sum of money, enough that if they spend it right they'll be able to live on for a year. This is only a positive step for the game, and one that will eventually lead to bigger and better things for both WoW and the larger MMORPG community in general.
For all of the reasons above, I find myself compelled to PvP. I enjoy the game, even if it's not the real game in WoW. It provides me with a change of pace, some easy casual play on my alts, and is the beginning of a competitive eSport. These aspects are, in my opinion, the corner stone to the additional game Blizzard has built on top of WoW, and this is only a good thing.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 4)
Eternalpayn Apr 20th 2008 7:10PM
We aren't pissed about the opinions, or the opinions piece. We're pissed because he threw together a few buzzwords off of the general forum and expected people to think it was a comprehensive article.
Eternalpayn Apr 20th 2008 7:36PM
Wait what? You complain about welfare epics... You can't even get any! (Except the holiday ring)
Gur Apr 20th 2008 8:57PM
WoW will never become a legitimate E sport.
James Apr 20th 2008 9:50PM
Honestly i read your last article and you were highly critical of PvP and this just seems to be an attempt to make amends or you just posted the last article as flamebait.
To be honest i am bias i hate your writing immensely you are highly critical of anything differing to your point of view.
In regards to this current article E-sport?? are you serious you go directly against what you wrote in your last article "but by no means would I want to just exist on a server where the only thing to do is kill one another." E-sport would mean that the PvE portion of the game would go out the window as is clearly apparent in recent design changes by blizzard. I like to PvP its fun for me i like to work as a part of a team and face opponents who think and don't follow a set of rules.
I used to raid, I truly did but i disliked it due to guild drama etc so i left that guild and i don't think raiding should be put ahead of arena or vice versa i think choice is the greatest part of the game i can go to a heroic go quest Battleground World pvp the list goes on to place one aspect of the game above another to me is pointless as i enjoy it all.
Harlequinné Apr 20th 2008 10:48PM
"To be honest i am bias i hate your writing immensely you are highly critical of anything differing to your point of view."
Kettle, meet pot. Pot, meet kettle.
Now breath. And read the previous article again.
He never stated that he hates PvP (try hitting F3 and looking for "hate", "loathe", "dislike", and while I'm talking about the keyboard, use punctuation marks!). He merely is arguing why in his eyes PvE is the main focus of WoW.
Disagreeing with him, fine, but do try to be more literate than "ur opinoin sux", "you fail at PvP" or something. Nothing screams "PvP fanbois" more than that.
I do think WoWinsider should try just copy-pasting Blizzard press-releases and dredge this up when people start complaining they want opinions...
PvP, serious business.
Kylock Apr 20th 2008 11:37PM
Thank you for being sane and rational.
I... think I love you.
Algorithm Apr 21st 2008 11:50AM
Ok, in all fairness, I agree with you almost 100%. Except for one thing. The *name* of his last article is "Why PvE has been, and always will be, the only real game" not "Why PvE has been, and always will be, the real focus of WoW"
So, that implies to me: he didn't just say that PvE is the main focus, but that it is the only focus.
I also want to say that using the term "PvP fanbois" is going to stir up a lot of hate and ire.
I think it's obvious why that article stirred up so much hate. Part of why a lot of people like PvP is that they get to dominate and subdue their opponent. In WoW, a lot of people turn around, and say, whatever, that's not actually what I was trying to do. PvP is just a side minigame," /golfclap.
Some PvPers are REALLY serious about PvP. And higher arena brackets are extremely competitive.
How would you like it if people constantly belittled your accomplishments in PvE. Wait... PvPers do that all the time, too. Damn. "OMGz PvE is so EZ" etc.
Well, I guess no one could possibly, ever for any reason enjoy both. Both couldn't be hard in different ways. One is obviously more difficult and interesting.
So, I guess, the cycle of hate will never end. I could turn around and say "Why don't you talk to me when you're on Illidan" as a PvEr or "Why don't you talk to me when you're Rival" as a PvPr.
Badger Apr 21st 2008 4:58PM
Thank God somebody said it.
I agree with you guys. The biggest proportion of the flaming that is going on in response to the previous post is because of its highly misleading title. PvE is not the "only real game," it is the "primary focus" of WOW.
anonymoose Apr 21st 2008 3:18AM
Not to be rude--it appears my comment linking to your characters (which was publically accessible because you had a "meet the bloggers" about you recently and as part of that you included a link to your personal site which included the names of all your characters) has been deleted.
I pointed out accurately that you are likely not the best candidate to write this piece because none of your characters had more than 5K HKs indicating you do not PvP much if ever. Some characters had zero HKs. I think it's fair if you are going to write flame pieces and call them op/ed while providing links to your characters on this site that it should be ok to inform others of your lack of PvP experience (at least on the characters you had links to).
anon Apr 21st 2008 12:12PM
For someone who has claimed they weren't going to visit this site again and ignore the writer you have gone out of your way to harass this one. You don't like what he said fine, ignore it, or do you respond to every post on the forums you don't like?
By giving people all of his characters you basically said "everyone who doesn't like Adam's article please login to game and harass him about it" and really wasn't that your goal? If character info is no big deal why don't you provide us a link to all your characters so we can pick apart all your HKs, Gear, Spec, etc?
KIltreiser Apr 21st 2008 4:00AM
"First, it provides a critical and necessary change of pace from the PvE game."
But what about those who don't think PvE needs a change of pace and have to contend with PuGs containing the inevitable PvP-clad wonders who know nothing about the PvE game? I have no problem with those who do PvP but if Blizz created a PvE-ONLY server I'd jump on it in a flash. No more whining, no more duels, just raids, raids and more raids.
Voldamir Apr 21st 2008 10:37AM
Here here, I enjoy the PVP game, but I also get annoyed when I try to PUG a heroic, and the tank is wearing all Season 1 gear, with the season 1 shield and a 2.70 speed weapon, it makes me cry inside.
Johnny B Apr 21st 2008 4:33AM
Adam,
I think both articles were great and agree with you completely. I think PvPers are sometimes a bit trigger happy and responded as such on your origional post. Also, its a freakin blog, it is meant to cause reaction.
9/10 for quality and finally addressing the issue.
squeama Apr 21st 2008 7:22AM
The "World of Warcraft" really feels like a war to me when I am in the Battlegrounds. In PVE, my mind is that I'm simply attending to the tedium of war. A Vietnam Vet told me once that "war is 90% boredom, and 10% sheer terror".
jerzz80 Apr 21st 2008 9:49AM
PVP probably is savaing wow from becoming a flash in the pan game. I had zero interest in this game until I saw the arena. PVP is where I can reep the rewards of my long hard efforts. How could I play this game without measuring up my skill and progress against others?
I dont get the exclusive PVE mentality at all. Raiding is mearly an excersise in following directions more than it is a game of any type of skill. If you have the proper gear and follow what your "supposed" to do, you'll be fine. Oh, and remeber to be on time for your play dates to go raiding.
There are two types of people in this world.
1. People that like looking at pretty pictures in the game and killing bosses.
2. People that must have 1 to 1 competition. Without this, why am I playing the game? To endlessly kill bots? And then what? Why am I doing it? To kill more bots?
Maybe I have too much testosterone, but without agressive competition, the game is bland. I dont get how people just do the same things over and over and over. PVP (Arena) allows for unique playign experiences every single time.
The BGs suck, I know that. But not really. I still have fun pullign out wins with PUGs. I thought the premades were horrible for the game. Premades were def a PVE mentality brought to the PVP world. Lazy PVE'rs that wanted gear without playing PVP.
I do nothing but PVP. I do daily's for gold. Thats it. killing bots just isnt fun. Killing millions of bots isnt fun. being ordered around by some raid leader that thinks he is god cause hes got 6 months of his life invested in the game isnt fun.
Duel me.
jared Apr 21st 2008 11:40AM
Your post is terrible.
Algorithm Apr 21st 2008 11:59AM
"Killing bots" is not really an accurate description of WoW's PvE end game.
Raids require coordination, knowledge of fight and game mechanic (that is distinctly different from PvP, such as threat), and understanding how to play your class in a cooperative setting (differently than PvP).
Your description of PvE as "Killing bots," even if it is a hyperbole is pretty inaccurate.
For the record, dueling isn't actually "good" PvP either. Arenas and battlegrounds are your only two end game options here, and, even these require a different skillset in some ways. Dying can be strategic in battlegrounds, but is totally taboo in arenas.
1v1 combat is streetfighter. You're playing the wrong game.
jerzz80 Apr 21st 2008 1:49PM
----"Killing bots" is not really an accurate description of WoW's PvE end game....Your description of PvE as "Killing bots," even if it is a hyperbole is pretty inaccurate. ---
- No kidding. Im not an idiot. But I have hard time dealign with the fact that 1 good raid leader can talk everyone through the instance as long as they are paying attention, geared, and have 2 hands.
---Raids require coordination, knowledge of fight and game mechanic---
I agree but sadly I feel its a small few that belong in the class of raider that actually does this thinking. Most of the PVErs jsut wait for their orders and try not to mess up.
---For the record, dueling isn't actually "good" PvP either. --
No kidding. But its the school of hard knocks. I duel for practice and class intelligence. And for every PVEr I duel that doenst have a clue how fast hes gotta react to what Im doing, i just smile.
How many female charecters do I see in the arena? almost NONE. How many do i see in raids? more than anywyere else. even more than in that chip n' dales in mage quarters.
Girls dont PVP.
jten11 Apr 21st 2008 10:52AM
Hmph. All I hear is nothing but trolls upset cause of a blogger's opinion...makes we wonder how serious you REALLY take this game. If you can't just accept what the writer says and understand that everyone has their own take of the game, then you probably need to turn off the computer and get some fresh air cause you've been locked down in your basement for too long.
Doman Apr 21st 2008 10:55AM
You guys need to stop taking what one person says on a site about a make believe game so seriously. I am sure he is sleeping fine tonight even though everyone is accusing him of writing a one sided piece. Grow up and get over it. Go outside every once and awhile.