2.4.2 Hunter Changes: Aspect of the Viper, Growl, and the boar's last stand
So Growl has been having some problems since 2.4 went live. Pets refuse to cast it in the right order, which is wreaking havoc with Hunter aggro, especially on boar pets, who depend on a Charge/Growl combination to gain their fabled massive aggro. I myself have noticed that I have a lot harder time keeping aggro from my beloved boar Bonnie when I solo on my Hunter. So now on the PTR, we have some new lines in the latest update of the patch notes:
• Boar Charge: This ability will no longer make Growl cast immediately after it generates excessive threat.
• The pet ability Growl will no longer scale with pet Attack Power.
It should also be noted that Nethaera has said that Growl will now scale with Hunter AP instead of Pet AP, so there's no fear that it's become a non-scaling flat skill.
Now, this all sounds somewhat ominous, but what does it actually mean?
What it means is that, currently, Growl scales with the Pet's AP. Where this has had the most massive advantage is in the use of the boar pet: Because a boar's Charge ability adds a massive amount of AP to the boar's next attack, it allowed a boar to cast a super-powered Growl directly after they charge, resulting into massive threat gain.
Thus, these changes are a double nerf to boars. Since Growl is casting at random, they were already losing that massive threat gain, but now that loss of threat gain is being made official. Not only can Growl no longer be cast right after Charge, but it will no longer gain extra threat from the AP buff.
The fallout is already being seen in the Hunter community. I myself already know quite a few Hunters who are permanently stabling or abandoning their boars. I myself am still clinging obstinately to mine, but I have to admit that that new Dire Raven pet is starting to look pretty cool. I leveled a Tauren Hunter with a Swoop, so I know those birds are good pets too, and Screech is amazing for aggro generation.
Some are theorizing that this nerf to boars was meant to encourage Hunters to drop their boars and take a wider selection of pets. I'm not sure this will be the effect at all. Instead, you'll simply see Hunters returning to ravagers and cats for maximum PvE dps, or scorpids for maximum PvP utility. If they really want to encourage pet diversity, they need to add new skills to some of the more neglected families and leave poor boars alone.
However, before we get too mad at Blizzard, we should check out the news coming in from the PTR: Some Hunters who have done testing on the Growl change have said that it may be an overall buff. As long as they have a decent amount of AP, they're finding it easier to keep aggro on test now. Zixi of the Alterac Mountains server posted a video, seen above, in which she was able to stay below aggro on a level 67 pet while Survival specced rather easily. There's probably more testing that needs to be done before we can give a final verdict on the change, but what could be a big hit for boar pets could still be a win for Hunters overall. Just keep your AP higher than your pet's AP (and higher than 1200 in any case), and you could find your solo career getting a lot easier.
What's also nice is that no matter how this whole Growl thing shakes out, there's still going to be a few definite buffs for Hunters in this patch. We've already covered the Scare Beast change, and there's also the change to Aspect of the Viper. It will now grant 35% of your level in mana regen every 5 seconds, which will translate to 24.5 mana every 5 seconds at level 70. Since Hunters have been having some mana issues since 2.4 with the new spirit-based regen system, this should be helpful to counter some of that. On the other hand, it doesn't seem to be a complete solution, since you'll have to actually have Aspect of the Viper activated to take advantage of it.
Overall, this should be a very interesting patch for Hunters if these changes make it to the final live version of the patch. Despite the heavy hit to our poor beloved boar pets, if the preliminary reports from the PTR prove true, this could be a very good patch for Hunters that will hopefully close our arena ranking discrepancies, help a bit with our mana and pet threat issues, and put us into a decent position headed into Wrath of the Lich King.
Filed under: Hunter, Patches, Analysis / Opinion, News items, Buffs
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 3)
Badger Apr 25th 2008 10:40PM
"Remember, boars don't do boars like u did!"
Congratulations! A Winner Is You!
Krick Apr 25th 2008 11:32PM
Does it count if I have a boar named "Cat"?
krick
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Faar Apr 25th 2008 7:03PM
Yes, I'm sure Blizzard, who designed the game, doesn't ever play hunters, and know absolutely nothing about them. Or at least less than YOU, almighty, all-knowing Esumiwa...
Christ. I don't know where the hell you people come from, must be some sort of alternate reality or something.
Rob Apr 25th 2008 7:18PM
True, but seriously, he has a point. Traps are so bad in heroics/kara, so unreliable that even in surv trap spec you will have a good share of broken traps. Our DOTs are a joke. Our pets they keep nerfing. Our mana regen is perhaps the worst of any mana class. Our main dps methodology is absolutely dependent on either great reflexes and low latency or macro spam.
If they had a reason to be making things worst then okay. But I'm so sick of 'its all about arena'. Not many play arena anyway! Why is the game suddenly revolving around arena? Why are you killing PvE for arena's sake? We can only hope and pray that Wraith will see fundamental changes to the hunter class, because that's what's required.
matrix_dragon Apr 26th 2008 12:16AM
Worst of any mana class?
Think of Ret and Prot Pallies.
Go QQ more if you wish, but Blizzard doesn't seems to listen anyways.
esumiwa Apr 26th 2008 3:18AM
Actually, if you ave BOTHERED to read the hunter threads, its an established fact , a fact that hass been even quoted at blizzcon, only one developer plays a hunter. And its his alt. Go, brats, do the research yourself. Since you bloggers are such good journalists.
Oh, hmm..wrankled at my comment that there are no buffs.
Please, tell me when ANY hunter has used SCAR BEAST as a battle tactic?
I am waiting.
OH geez, well looki at that, mana regen amount hasnt changed at all, just a shift in the mechanic of how its generated.
So, where's the buff? Where's the improvement.
But I am *wrong*...how odd that save for those whose best arguement is that im from anoter reality...no one has shown one proof of an IMPROVEMENT.
And the blogger..erm journalist claims these are buffs.
LET me see if i san find monosyllabic words:
HUNTERS WILL NOT GET COOKIE. HUNTERS WILL NOT GET BETTER. WE WILL SAY YOU ARE BETTER BUT WE KNOW YOU ARE NOT.
.!.
Hey, but I am a BLOGGER, I am a JOURNALIST and my facts are correct and yours are wrong.
.!.
Flanker Apr 26th 2008 8:22PM
"Hunters," "cookie," and "better" all have more than one syllable. Try again. Or don't.
Ruva Apr 25th 2008 9:13PM
I had a bit of a break from WoW and came back after 2.4. I immediately hopped onto my hunter and went around grinding motes to get back into the swing of playing. One thing I noticed right off the bat was that I seemed a bit more...squishy than I was before. I really don't recall taking so much damage, can anyone confirm this or am I imagining things?
The next thing I noticed was that there's a significant amount of lag when making shots. Sometimes up to 1 second which hinders my shot rotation and survivability greatly. Is this a bug?
RE: Aspect of the Viper - I fail to understand why hunters should have to give up a chunk of combat time using this aspect as opposed to Aspect of the Hawk. While it is necessary during long fights such as Nightbane, it should not have to remain used for a longer percentage of our Hawk aspect. This mana pool issue is driving me up a wall, pre 2.4 I had just enough to get me through some rather long encounters with a minimum use of Viper, now it seems I'm having to give up damage for mana far too often. What are we to do, stack on spirit like a priest? lol
Ah well, I'm back to playing my Warlock until they stop screwing with my class.
Ruva Apr 25th 2008 9:17PM
Also, as far as growl goes, depending on your gear and spec it's pretty much useless after a while. Growl is great for initial agro gain but once I crit, it's all over. FD, let pet pick agro again, wash rinse repeat. I haven't noticed many changes to the effectiveness of growl myself.
Shilkanni Apr 25th 2008 11:31PM
I haven't played a hunter, but if every hunter guide says "there is only one good pet for soloing - get a boar", maybe the boar is a bit too good?
Pretty sure boars will still be a good pet for soloing after this change, and I'm pretty sure hunters will still be an -excellent- class for soloing (not just a decent one).
Runstadrey Apr 26th 2008 2:53AM
I haven't done anything beyond the dailies on my hunter in over a month. I had been thinking about getting back into it but the IoQD dailies with the boar are just a pain. And now they pretend that EVERYONE wants to take on druids.
I'm so sick of the GD PvPers ruining this game.
Blizzard, please let the bastards have their own game and leave us the hell alone.
Mallard Apr 26th 2008 1:34PM
You guys. Hunter mana is still the same now as it was before 2.4.
The 2.4 change was to Spirit's mana regen. It is subject to the 5 second rule. You have to stop using mana for 5 seconds before your mana is going to regen. As a hunter you never stop using mana so there is no change to you at all. Even if you do stop using mana you would actually see a slight raise in mana regen over pre 2.4.
Raiding as a hunter you don't really run out of mana very often if you use potions correctly anyway.
In my opinion the Viper change was in anticipation of the next expansion. Where level 80 chars will have more mana and thus need improved regen to keep up.
Darque Apr 29th 2008 7:54AM
LoL...you're funny. Raiding hunters don't run out of mana very often if they use potions.
Don't raid much, do you?
esumiwa Apr 26th 2008 3:22AM
OH and the JOURNALIST David has in his last several article stated clearly his hunter is an ALT.
AN ALT.
So since he has a pathetic alt, he knows all about HUNTERS.
Hey David, step aside. Find someone who has played REAL hunters. Go play your druid and STFU you literary hack.
OH, dont know where to find one, its not very hard, go to the wow forums, class section, HUNTER and OMFGS its a miracle, knowledge hunters whoi are both World of Warcraft players and Warcraft: Arena players.
WOW, now that I think about it. Might be toomuch work
Since your just a blogger
esumiwa Apr 26th 2008 3:26AM
And to prove mey point from an article last week, from David's own mouth:
What's your main right now?
Funny you should mention that, since I pontificated on that just this morning. Right now I'd say I still consider my Feral Druid my main, although I probably play my Hunter more, and either she or my new Death Knight will probably end up being my main come WoTLK. I play on the Cenarion Circle server, by the by.
End QUOTE.
Link for the absolutely lazy
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/04/22/about-the-bloggers-daniel-whitcomb/
Enjoy.
Try and cut me down all ya want. Simply boils down to:
I am correct in my first statements. andyone who thinks differently, enjoy your opinion, but its still WRONG
Eldorad Apr 26th 2008 4:46AM
1) Calm down.
2) Try reading the article next time -
"Some Hunters who have done testing on the Growl change have said that it may be an overall buff. "
Note: A) Daniel is merely relaying what he has heard
B) He states no where in his article whether he personally thinks it is a buff or not.
Why are you so angry with him?
Eldorad Apr 26th 2008 4:50AM
PS - you read it so well you couldn't get his name right to insult him.
Good effort.
Sundae Apr 26th 2008 11:47AM
Well said Eldorad, it's saddening when mindlessly aggressive posts start appearing in wowinsider - I come here to avoid all that if possible.
Baluki Apr 26th 2008 11:44AM
Well, that's a bummer, but we'll survive. I'm still going to stick with my boar (I named him "Bacon" so he always knows his place) because I still like the versatility and collection of available skills.
I wonder if the hunter's spec helps in any way. I'm BM, so my pet already causes a lot of threat. Maybe they should change one of the BM talents so it increases the threat generated by Growl, such as Bestial Discipline.
Rivaros Apr 26th 2008 3:49PM
Dire Raven? Pshhhh, I'm getting a Deep Crow.