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5-10-2008 @ 8:15PM
My personal opinion is: who cares? As long as the fight feels epic I don't really care if I do it with 10. Blizzard is a smart company, they know what they are doing. We don't have anywhere near all of the information, so theres no sense in fretting over the unknown, especially when it's in such capable hands.
5-10-2008 @ 8:37PM
Who cares?Lore nerds like myself, for one, cares. Arthas/Lick King is one badass mofo. He brought down Illidan with one swift strike of Frostmourne. And that was before he merged with the powers of the lich king.Sure, 10 more levels is a big thing. But it feels so wrong that it needs 25 level 70s (total level= 1750) to down illidan, but only needs 10 level 80s (total level of a measly 800, not even half that needed to kill illidan) to down the big undead bastard. 25 level 80s needed to down the lich king makes more sense.It's important to use lore nerds because we saw how Arthas went from a noble paladin, into an obsessive compulsive freak, who's final nails in the coffin was the culling of Stratholme and the picking up of Frostmourne. We wanted to kill him, he was that big a threat to Azeroth (though some may love him, I dunno). He was growing from good to damn evil supreme.So, for me, no. No 10 man killing Arthas. It would appear to me to even be anti-climatic if that happens.
5-10-2008 @ 9:16PM
balasan, if you care so much, dont you do the 10man version of arthas and leave all of those that dont give a f*ck alone. play the game how you wanna play it and leave everyone else the hell alone.
5-10-2008 @ 9:38PM
It's pretty simple; our levels are concepted as exponential increases in power. 11-20 provides twice as much power as 1-10, and pinnacle levels provide even more increases in power; no one argues that a level 60 won't even break a sweat beating up a level 50. Heck, a level 60 doesn't have much trouble beating up a level 57. Level 71-80 will more double the power of a level 70 player, so just adding up the total number of levels isn't an accurate metric. Just as Onyxia (formerly a 40-main raid at 60) can now be 3-manned at level 70, it's pretty obvious that Illidan will be a pushover to geared 80s.
5-10-2008 @ 9:44PM
You completely missed the point here. I said I don't personally care. As in me, a non lore nerd. Sure I can see why lore nerds would be concerned but I am not one so I am not concerned.Even if I were, my statement would still apply. We know nothing at all about the encounter, the dungeon, the events leading up to or following the encounter, or anything else for that matter. Once again, there is no reason to freak out about what we don't know.
5-10-2008 @ 10:19PM
Balasan, As a lore nerd, I have to say that I have no problem with killing him with 10 people. I've discussed that a bit in the article, but here's another thought. By now, even a casual player's character is going to be powerful. Assuming they quested to level and didn't just sit and grind somewhere, by now now they have bought low dragons and elementals lords, saved whole kingdoms, and dismantled cults and conspiracies. They are acknowledged as among the most powerful heroes of the age by everyone from Khadgar and Mu'ru to Tyrande and Thrall. At this point, We, the PCs, aren't faceless footmen. We are the hero units of the game, just as Malfurion and Arthas and Illidan were of the last game. Given this, it's no surprise that 10 of us could have the power to take down someone like Arthas. His power is probably mostly in his army anyway. Once we carve through that, we can face him one on one. Besides, We will probably have some combination of Jaina Proudmoore, Sylvanas Windrunner, Tirion Fordring and Bolvar Fordragon assisting us, both in the 10 man and the 25 man, so if you prefer to have a "hero" present, there you go. I maintain that there ARE heroes present even without them though. Those heroes are the 10 or 25 Player Characters who have fought through Naxxramas, Wyrmrest, Zul'Drak, and likely 2 or 3 other citadels, before finally coming to the Icecrown Glacier to face down Arthas himself, the Lich King.
5-11-2008 @ 12:07AM
^ thisAs a lore nerd I think what most lore nerds are forgetting is the fact that you the player are one of the most central characters in the game. We're basically the next generation of heroes and as Daniel said throughout the game we have made foe and friend alike, toppled many evils, and overcome many obstacles. It is not unheard of, therefore, that by the time we reach Arthas we would be powerful enough to defeat him considering the battles we have fought before.I think the whole 10/25 dungeon thing is such a non-issue and is getting blown out of proportion by the "hard core" crowd. Undoubtedly there will be advantages to 25-man raiding such as gear and probably a few other treats Blizzard will throw in, but the bulk of the game will still be accessible to the casual and/or smaller guilds which is how it should be. If the "hard core" crowd feels that making the game more accessible somehow diminishes their achievement then, no offense, they need to grow up some.
5-11-2008 @ 11:32AM
"He brought down Illidan with one swift strike of Frostmourne."Not true. Blizzard said it was an epic fight, but the cutscene was taken out.
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