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5-12-2008 @ 11:36AM
The position of 'Raid Leader' cannot be filled by a 'casual' player. Even though your progression may be slow and casual the person who leads you cannot be. The RL must be knowledgeable on nearly all aspects of play and either have previous experience with the fights or willing to invest the time to read about and study them.Of course, neither can a hardcore control freak effectively lead a casual group. You can boast about your members all you want but I guarantee that a someone in T5 or T6 taking a step back to play casually for a while and lead your raids is going to quickly become frustrated with your group unless they have the patience of Job.On that note, Scott makes a point about recruiting someone who is frustrated with their current (more progressed) guild to lead your raids. Bad idea! If this person is already frustrated with loot/progression at higher levels, your slower progression is likely to up their frustration and not solve it.Recruit from within. Take a look at the hardcore players within your guild and give them a shot. If the GL is the best candidate for RL then it would be best if that person steps down to the RL position and a new GL is found. (Scott is right that these two positions require different things and should not be held together.)
5-12-2008 @ 12:54PM
I actually somewhat disagree with the notion that a T5/T6 geared person who wants to go back to a casual guild and become RL wouldn't be the ideal candidate. If they are willing to take a step back and run T4 content then that's the best thing IMO. Ideally you'll want a RL who's actually done the harder content so the raid isn't completely lost once you manage to show up to gruul. And by the way, Gruul isn't all that hard, i encourage any kara guild who can field 25 people to do it. My casual guild won't do it even though they have 3 kara teams. "not ready for it". Pff. Lastly, all my RLs have been women. So perhaps they are the ideal candidate, willing to take responsibility, etc.
5-12-2008 @ 8:42PM
Rob, I was actually directing that more at the guild in question. I'm probably jumping to conclusions here but it seems to me that the majority of the guild/raid is not putting forth the effort required to move past their current point.Further down DavidC explains the idea more clearly when he suggests that a good RL might see that the guild has been stalled at the same location for a very, very long time. At this point it becomes clear that the real obstacle to progression may be the raiders themselves.
5-13-2008 @ 7:32AM
I disagree.I am an officer in a casual raiding guild. Our current raid leaders (we have 3 so we don't fall apart if only one can come to the raid) were all recruited straight out of hardcore guilds - albeit not straight into a Raid Leader position.Yes the progress is slower, but I think our Raid Leaders gain something else from being in our guild - a more friendly forgiving environment, less demanding raid times and a ton of appreciation and respect from our members.I would recommend keeping an eye out for "1. [General] LF casual raiding guild" and talk to those people. Ask them about what kind of guild they're looking for and what kind of raiding they've been doing. In 5 minutes you'll know if they're worth having on your team and be upfront about your guild and your progression. Be honest!Then promote from within when they have gained some respect/visibility in the guild. If they have what it takes to lead, it'll be apparent from the first raid/vent experience.Good luck. There are great players out there.
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