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5-16-2008 @ 7:31AM
As a competent DPS (mage) i have experienced no tanking problems, but i have seen SO many of the things discribed here. I ALWAYS appreciate good tanking, and dont hesistate to say so (and ditto healing - ffs these two are the two things that keep you alive, so i REALLY appreciate them). I keep my sheep sheeped, and as a long form CC its usually the very last thing to go, in fact i usually ask the ppl to leave it til the healer and tank are both ready, usually after healing ppl up (assuming we have, shall we say, lesser experienced ppl in the party) and if nessecary leave if for a couple of mins for the healer to get mana back. I DO occasionally pull accientally, but it is rare, and usually a combination of factors (tank being stunned just as i get a combination of crits go off, etc), and if so I DO tank it til the proper tank can find time to get it back (or IB just before death, or even slow it and kite it away from the group). On certain abortive PUG groups, where someone wasnt up for the task (usually huntards and occasionally a inept healer) i even give the tank gold for his repairs, as i think thats only fair to spread the costs - and gold is easy to grind these days. I DONT have problems finding tanks, in fact im usually asked to go out of the blue, even being invited to (other) guild runs when they are a dps short, by doing JUST what is in this MOST excellent article. (lets see more like this rather than the usual speculation and controversy articles that mean nothing but arguements). But there is one thing i feel i must point out - as i can and do pull aggro off our guild tank at times, i have learnt to control my threat, HOWEVER if the TANK doesnt have an aggro meter the group (imho) is DOOMED!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE if your a tank GET AN AGGRO METER. I know this seems obvious to all you decent tanks, and most dps, but i can assure you this is not the case for many i have seen. I have Pug'd a LOT of heroics, and been told 'Well i dont have to watch aggro - dps do, so why do i need a meter?'....../Facedesk... I explain, usually patiently, (and slowly with simple words if nessecary - some tanks act like its the player whos been hit over the head that many time, not the toon, but fortunately not many like that!), then leave, as there is NO WAY i will pug with a tank i have to explain that to.Also i would like to applaud the author, as he has pointed out something very rarely known. It is indeed harder for a higher up DPS to PUG. When your doing 1.1k dps (im just starting to do SSC), its sometimes very hard NOT to pull without it seeming your doing nothing for 1/2 the fight. (and the other dps seem to resent the fact you out aggro then with one shot after they have spent the last 10 secs building aggro). One party was going to boot me as 'i just stood around sheeping for half the fight' until the healer linked the damage meter to the tank/dps pointing out i topped it by over 10%. I stood around because i was doing about 4K dam with my 1st shot, and the tank was learning. In another pug we were wiping quite a few times, but i was warned before going in that the tank was learning and undergeared, but the tank was both humerous and good natured, so i stuck with him to the end. We did it (after 4 hours!) and i still remember that run as being both one of my worse ever (in no of wipes etc with every last thing ever going wrong - d/c's, mistimed pulls, lag issue etc) and being one of the best - we had a great time - even wipes were funny with that guy - hes still on my friends list after months!I do agree to be a GOOD dps requires more thought than just spamming one or two buttons - and hunters have it more complicated that me, its just a shame that so many of the, shall we say, not so good ppl seem to be attracted to that class, as they imho are bringing the whole classes reputation down. (oh and as to the poster who says he doesnt know if hes gonna be a huntard, the answer is no. Your actually thinking and learning. Huntards dont do either in my experience). I HAVE tanked tbh (as a Mage!) recently in normal UB, was a great fun time, 2 resto druid healing 2 uber mages, with a low lvl SP following. Was the most fun ive had in weeks. Obv not the bossed - one of the druids did that in feral. But GREAT fun...heheAnyhow imo give the dps 3 chances - if they dont learn, tell em why n leave if you have to. There are good dps out there so you dont need to suffer bad ones. If they say they are unexperienced and you still go with them be a little more patient (was your choice after all), and teach them the ways of the tank. If they learn youve made a bad dps into a better one, if they dont leave and never go back.
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