Answers from a Lore Nerd part 1
Yesterday I posted Ask a Lore Nerd, in which I asked you, the readers, to ask me any lore questions you'd like. Your questions came, and I'm doing my best to answer! There were quite a lot of questions, many of them multi-part questions, so I haven't been able to get at all of your questions today. I picked ten comments, answered their questions, and I'll get to the rest of them as soon as possible! Don't be afraid to ask further questions. Keep them coming!Milkingit asks: Where do murlocs come from?
Answer: We don't know for sure, but there are many theories. Their appearance on land is supposedly a rather recent event, but it's likely that murlocs have been living on the ocean floor for many thousands of years, walking Azeroth even longer than Trolls. The Trolls have been believed to be the oldest sentient race on Azeroth, so if the murlocs came first, they're a very old race and we may never know their exact origin.
There are also a few theories on what has inspired murlocs to move inland. The naga taking over the ocean depths may have driven the murlocs inland. The murlocs may be in cahoots with the naga, and the infestation of the mainlands is a tactical move. The murlocs may also be being controlled by Neptulon or some other force, and are doing his/their bidding. We may learn more in Wrath of the Lich King, as the murlocs make a comeback there.
Mikel asks: Who is Arthas' sister?
Answer: Her name is Calia Menethil, and she is/was roughly 10 years older than Arthas. During Deathwing's attempts to worm his way into Human society and take over, his human alias, Davan Prestor, was to marry Calia. The marriage never happened due to Deathwing having other things to deal with. Calia has not been heard from since. There's rumors and speculation about where she may pop up next or the possibility that she may be in WoW right now, but it's all rumors and speculation and little more.
UncleVinny asks: Is there any lore reason why turning in a Fel Armament to the Aldor would make the Scryers hate me more? Aren't the Scryers happy to see demons killed, too?
Answer: The Scryers and the Aldor are both competing for A'dal's favor. By giving the Aldor your Fel Armaments, you're fueling their side and helping them get a higher standing in Shattrath. This is mostly a matter of perception since A'dal is quite accepting of all benevolent individuals. The perception of Us vs. Them is likely fueled by past bad blood between the Draenei and the Blood Elves.
From a storytelling standpoint, this situation was resolved with the formation of the Shattered Sun Offensive. Lore-wise, the Aldor and the Scryers probably do not mind much. From a game mechanics standpoint, they can't remove the Aldor and Scryer factions without screwing up a lot of older quests and such, so the gang war of Shattrath still exists.
Tran said: Dude, Arthas is 10 mannable? Lame. Discuss with lorefication!
Answer: I don't personally like the idea of Arthas being able to be killed by 10 people. It's rather anti-climactic for the biggest bad. What I would do is have him only be able to be killed in the 25 man dungeon. In the 10 man, you fight him to a standstill until he casts you all aside, and you can loot a chest as a reward for holding off the most powerful mofo in Northrend.
If they don't do something like that, well... eh. It feels to me like a serious dilution of the Lich King, but what can you do?
Ceej asks: I know so little on the Tauren's background. By virtue of the quests and instances you tend to undertstand at least a little background on most of the other races. But I find Taurens are skimped on.
How did they come to be? What were the exact circumstances of their alliance with the Orcs?
Answer: The Tauren origin story is In WoW, and most of the Orc-Tauren alliance information is in Warcraft III.
The Mists of Dawn is a story you can find on a wall in Thunder Bluff, in the Archdruid's tent. It is told in the style of a creation myth so cannot necessarily be taken at face value, but it's an interesting bit of flavor for the race.
The Orc-Tauren alliance was born during Warcraft III. When Thrall travelled to Kalimdor due to Medivh's urgings, the Orcs met the Tauren, who were in a bit of a bind with the Centaur. The Centaur were basically slaughtering the Tauren by the dozen, and the Tauren weren't especially unified at the time. With Thrall's help, Cairne Bloodhoof gathered the scattered tribes and beat back the Centaur. The Tauren have remained loyal to the Orcs, thankful for Thrall's aid. I strongly recommend playing WC3 to see this story unfold.
Camaris asks: What kind of Alliance/Horde forces were left on Northrend, if any? How remote is Northrend? Is it unchartered territory to the inhabitants of Azeroth? Did the Scarlet Crusade ever find out they were being led by a demon (in Stratholm Scarlet)? Ie, was there a quest where that revelation was passed on to.. well, someone? So err.. what do the Titans actually look like? Those statue-like things like Maiden are just constructs, or what?
Answer: That's a lot of questions! I'll make sure to hit them all.
First, we don't really know what's left in Northrend right now, but I can tell you what might be there. Remnants of Muradin's expedition and Arthas' expedition may be scattered somewhere throughout Northrend. If you don't know of those expeditions, give Warcraft III a playthrough. There's a good chance the Scarlet Onslaught is the remnants of the Scarlet Crusade's failed assault on Icecrown. We may also run into some Blood Elves, Kael's lackies that chased Arthas to Northrend, and possibly some Scourge that shook loose from the Lich King like the Forsaken did. Other than that, it's a pretty large unknown currently.
The very inner reaches of Northrend are likely mostly unknown to most of the world. However, Brann Bronzebeard travelled to Northrend at one point to find out what happened to Muradin. You can read more about this in Lands of Mystery.
We do not know for sure if the Scarlet Crusade ever discovered Balnazzar, but I would say there's a good chance of it. Dialogue involving Scarlet Commander Marjhan in Light's Hope Chapel seems to suggest someone other than Dathrohan or one of his lackies sent her. It also seems like it may have been done in secret, but this is just my interpretation. Maybe the Scarlet Crusade as a whole doesn't know, but many of the higher-ups do. There is no quest clearly stating this, unfortunately.
Titans look very Human-esque with skin of bronze and platinum. The Wowwiki page has a picture of each of the known Titans, so that's a good place to look. The Maiden of Virtue and similar things are likely just constructs built by the Titans or related forces.
Furinur asks: What's up with Katrana Prestor, King Anduin Wrynn's "advisor"?
Answer: Katrana Prestor is... Onyxia! This is a questline from before the Burning Crusade, which was the questline to become attuned to Onyxia's Lair. You reveal her identity, Bolvar shows the world how completely awesome he is, and then he sends you off to kill her.
CvijaFaQ asks: Why is Teron Gorefiend in Black Temple? What's the deal with RoS?
Answer: Teron Gorefiend has a history of being a really evil guy. After you 'resurrect' him, he probably just goes to the first place he can start wreaking havoc. Signing up with Illidan and hanging out in the Black Temple is just a logical place for him. He may also be there not for Illidan, but himself. Gathering power within the Temple to turn on Illidan later. After all, Illidan has the Skull of Gul'dan, a powerful artifact. Gul'dan was originally Gorefiend's mentor.
The Reliquary of Souls doesn't seem to have a very concrete, canon explanation. The most we can do is guess. It's possible the Essence of Souls is the coagulation of the Draenei that died in the fall of the Temple of Karabor. It may also be something they had under containment in the Temple. Maybe it's something that Teron Gorefiend cooked up. We don't really know. It's very mysterious, and interesting to think about.
Torash wants to know the name of the three Old Gods from the Sundering trilogy.
Answer: I do not think that any of the Old Gods but C'Thun have names. You may mean the demigods? Malorne, Ursol and Ursoc, Agamaggan and Aviana were all present at the War of the Ancients and ultimately died.
Fauche asked: Who the heck is Anduin Wrynn's father/Varian's wife? We know she exists, proof being Anduin himself, but we've never heard anything about her. Do you know anything?
Answer: Unfortunately, no! I haven't seen any mention of her, but if anybody out there has, I'd be eager to hear it.
That's all for now, everyone! If I didn't get to your questions yet, don't worry! I will answer you as soon as I can.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Fauche May 18th 2008 1:13PM
Yey you answered my question!
Fauche May 18th 2008 1:19PM
Anyway, I just wanted to admit, that I am myself a lore nerd as well. I know a lot and enjoy learning more about the WarCraft lore and history.
Now then, I'd like to as a more serious question than my last. There has been somewhat a conflict in Deathwing's appearances and 'death' before/during/after the Second War, and it even kind of confuses me when I try to look through WoWwiki to figure out what really happened when.
So what I'd like to know is, what do YOU think happened when?
alittan May 18th 2008 1:15PM
About the last question asked by Fauche, you learn more of the child-king's father and wife in the WoW Comic book series that are being done right now. The main character is revealed to be the King of Stormwind (the missing one!). It is rumored that once the comics reach the stage of the king returning to Stormwind, you will be able to see him in WoW. Look up the comics, they are really worth it! (http://www.wowwiki.com/Lo%27Gosh)
alittan May 18th 2008 1:17PM
Oh, and the wife of the king (Anduin's mom) has died, according to the comic. You see her on some of the pages when the king has visions of his past.
Fauche May 18th 2008 1:20PM
Alittan, thank you, but I already knew about Varian in the comics. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to actually read them...Gawd I need to find them somewhere.
Fauche May 18th 2008 1:21PM
Also, sorry for doing this again, but in the question I ment Anduin's "mother", not father.
alittan May 18th 2008 1:23PM
Ah yeah! Sorry bout that :P. Yeah I'm making my girlfriend in Toronto hunt the comics down every month. The storyline is pretty interesting, and I love the art!
Jason May 18th 2008 1:26PM
You might want to note that those 'Arthas' expedition' is the town VALGARDE. Besides that, nicely answered.
Dan May 18th 2008 1:39PM
As someone who is really interested in the lore of WoW (I love playing through CoT just to see some of the old stories), yet only started playing late last year, and has never played any of the Warcraft games (as I'm really not interested in RTS) I just wanted to know if there were any sites that give a good, not too long, interesting runthrough of the lore so far. So, are there?
Khanmora May 18th 2008 2:08PM
Dan, there's a couple places you can go. WoWwiki is a good source although that is a lot of info to chew through.
WoW Insider has a great column called Know Your Lore to read through.
And if you aren't interested in the RTS games but want to see the major lore cutscenes you can check them out on YouTube. Go to this address http://www.youtube.com/user/BlizzardCinematic and in the playlist section is Pre-WoW Lore :)
Druid dude May 18th 2008 1:48PM
Lore Nerd weekly please!
Reese May 18th 2008 2:25PM
Who is technically the biggest and most important villain in all of Warcraft history (like, the reason for all the chaos), and what are Illidan's and Arthas' relationship to him? Also, what is the deal with the Lich King, where did he come from, what does he have to do with the story, who was the original, and how did Arthas become him... Thank you if you answer..
bmiller May 18th 2008 3:52PM
Sargeras right now seems to be the common element. He was a Titan made to fight evil but was corrupted by it (quite a common thread in Warcraft). He ended up creating the Burning Legion.
He didn't create evil, it was already there (demons and the like), but he did give it some order. He corrupted the Eredar (the survivors we call draenei)
Sargeras talked Azshara into opening a portal so he could come to Azeroth. This led to the War of the Ancients.
One of the burning legion corrupted the orcs
Mediv's mother battled an avatar of Sageras while pregnant and Mediv was influenced by Sargeras, opened the dark portal with Gul'dan.
bmiller May 18th 2008 3:59PM
Gul'dan became the Lich King after being destroyed by demons on WC2 (trying to raid Sargeras' tomb, i might add).
This of course leads to the plague, Arthas going evil, illidan being released by Tyrande, all the WC3 stuff.
Gul'dan's pretty major too. He had an impact in
WC1 - opening the portal
WC2 - Breaking from the Horde's offensive to find Sageras' tomb, allowing the humans to come back fom the brink of defeat
WC3 - the Lich King (see above)
WoW - do be seen.
Sageras is important to the backstory, but not directly involved with the plot.
Nizari May 18th 2008 8:10PM
In the entire WoW universe, I'd say sargeras takes the cake, because he had the demonic forces under control until his depression corrupted him and then he let the demons run rampant.
In just Azeroth, I'd say Queen Azshara, because her lust for more arcane power is what brought Azeroth to the attention of the Burning Legion in the first place.
Nizari May 18th 2008 8:20PM
@bmiller:
Sargeras didn't corrupt the dranaei into the Eredar, they had already been corrupted before he showed up; his job was to prevent them from wreaking havoc.
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/story/chapter1.html#2
Fauche May 18th 2008 10:17PM
@ bmiller:
Gul'dan died when he opened Sargeras' tomb, yes, but that's it. After he died, he stayed dead.
The Lich King is Ner'zhul, Gul'dan's mentor. After the Second War Ner'zhul tried to rally the Horde again on Draenor and fought against the Outland Expedition, and even got help from Deathwing, but he was eventually beat, and when the Burning Legion began coming after him, he tried to escape by opening a number of portals to other worlds. He got through a portal just as Draenor tore itself appart, but was quickly captured by Kil'Jaeden.
Kil'Jaeden then proceeded to rip Ner'zhul's body appart, keeping his soul in-tact however. After immense torture for his actions against the Legion, Kil'Jaeden infused Ner'zhul's soul into a suit of armor, and imprisioned the armor within a case of ice whose pieces were gathered from the farthest reaches of the TWisting Nether, then chucked into Northrend to begin a new experiment in necromancy. The Nathrezim, dreadlords, were tasked with keeping watch over this new "lich king".
Yadda yadda yadda WarCraft 3 happened.
But yeah, the Lich King isn't Gul'dan. He's dead for sure. It's Ner'zhul.
Jeremy May 18th 2008 2:28PM
As for the Murloc question, it appears as if they are NOT allied with the Nagas.
We see in Quel'Danas that there are Murlocs enslaved to the Naga! We even have the quest, Disrupt the Greengill Coast, that has us free them. After they are freed, the immediately attack the nearest Naga.
Alex Ziebart May 18th 2008 2:34PM
That doesn't necessarily mean the murlocs aren't allied with the naga at some level. The naga could just be jerks and put some of them in chains, and being a slave sucks so it made those murlocs angry.
Jeremy May 18th 2008 2:40PM
True, but whenever we see Murlocs and Naga working together, the Nagas are always the main threat, and the Murlocs are grunts, so to speak.
Not once have we ever seen a Naga working side by side with a Murloc, or even underneath one...
It seems to me that they may have been conquered and enslaved. The ones we see on land may just be the ones that escaped the Nagas... and here we are killing them for their eyes.
Anyone else notice that they have never launched an attack on Azeroth? They just sit there in their crudely made huts and get killed by adventurers day-in and day-out...
Poor little guys...