Priests in Wrath: Analysis of Alpha talents
I would like to take a moment to talk about the leaked Priest spells and talents from the Wrath friends and family alpha. We have decided not to keep this information on the site for legal reasons, but there are many other places on the internet to find it, such as this wiki (which, by the way, seems to have been semi-locked to prevent recurrences of Tuesday night's rampant vandalization).
Note that these are alpha leaks (for those not conversant with software testing, alpha comes before beta, and beta comes before release), and most of these talents and spells will change before Wrath goes live. Some of them will probably not be recognizably the same, or even there at all. Nevertheless, it's certainly something to talk about in a game that, in my opinion, has had far too little change over the past couple of years.
As far as the deepest ranks of each tree, I'm not ecstatic about them -- there's no Holyform -- but it's certainly not the slap in the face we're used to getting. Rapture actually looks really nice, although it's probably not going to get this die-hard Holy player to go deep Disc. Penance I don't quite understand -- it basically looks like a channeled Holy Shock -- but I think I'm just not quite processing the use for it.
Divine Providence looks underpowered to me, no question about it. My benchmark for talents is 1%: if it boosts your healing/damage/mitigation by 1%, it's a good talent. DP only fits that bill if fully half of your healing is done by group heals, and although I recognize that WotLK may change the healing game, I just don't think that's going to end up being the case. As far as Guardian Spirit, that looks interesting. On a 3-minute cooldown, and for a non-huge mana cost, it seems like a good spell to slap on the tank when things look like they might go wrong -- a sort of emergency super-renew. This might be the talent that finally pulls me all the way down Holy.
Growing Pains is a talent with two faces. My current best theory is that the first half of it meant for people who switch to Shadow after having been raid healers; the talent would further boost the current 30% of +healing that is converted to +damage. The other side of it basically means never having to recast SW:P, which should save shadow priests a load of mana on boss fights. I guess that makes it a likely grab for anyone that deep in the tree. However, the final talent makes me question whether you would want to go that deep in the tree. Can someone enlighten me as to what the purpose of Dispersion is? You basically become invincible and can't do anything for 6 seconds, and get 36% of your HP and mana back. It's like a combination of Evasion and a Major Dreamless Sleep Potion. But what is it for? Does it help survivability in PvP? Is it a panic button when a boss gets angry at you? I just can't tell. Help me out in the comments, please.
Serendipity looks, frankly, awesome. Mana back on overheals would make me a happy, happy raiding priest. Obviously it depends what the percentage is, but the talent certainly has potential. Kindling Soul, combined with Dark Spirit, spells interesting things for shadow and spirit; traditionally, spirit has not mattered all that much for shadow priests, but that might be set to change. I have a long history of being happy when they make spirit more powerful, and indeed, I am happy here. The wording of Kindling Soul -- specifically, that it refers to spells in general and not shadow in particular -- make me suspect it's in the Discipline tree, and not in Shadow, which would lead to good synergy between the trees, as well as the possibility of applying that spell to non-shadow builds.
In fact, that would be a nice talent to have for a healing priest -- crits would boost your spirit, possibly proc Inspiration, and now proc Divine Aegis as well. A renaissance of spell crit for healers? And there are more healing goodies in here, oh yes. Grace looks like our version of Healing Way. Test of Faith gives us more power on low-health targets, adding in some crit with its new improved effects. Mark of Divinity is another spell that seems meant for slapping on the tank, so that when you need to spot-heal party members, you're also helping to keep the tank up; I just hope it lasts a while and doesn't need to be reapplied all the time. And finally, Divine Hymn is straight-up confusing. The ultimate panic button?
The question I'm left with is what this all means in terms of Blizzard's vision for the Priest class. This has changed throughout the three and a half years the game has been running. Here's the oldest version I can find of the Priest class description, from Blizzard's classes page in November of 2004:
Priests lead the many faiths spread throughout the disparate lands of the world of Azeroth. In Kalimdor, Night Elf Priestesses revere the moon goddess Elune, while Dwarven priests in Khaz Modan deliver the message of the Light to their people. In the ruins of Lordaeron, the undead priests of the Forsaken, their faith twisted and tainted by their tortured existences, spread a dark interpretation of the Holy Light. Regardless of their faith, however, all Priests share in their ability to manipulate the minds of those who turn to them for spiritual guidance.
Available to: Humans, Dwarves, Night Elves, Undead, Trolls
Type: Primary Healer
Standard Bars: Health/Mana
Available Armor: Cloth
Available Weapons: One-Handed Maces, Daggers, Staves, Wands
Comments: The most sought after class for any group
This text remained until August of 2007, when it changed to the following:
Priests are the masters of healing and preservation, restoring their wounded allies, shielding them in battle, and even resurrecting their fallen comrades. While they have a variety of protective and enhancement spells to bolster their allies, priests can also wreak terrible vengeance on their enemies, using the powers of shadow or holy light to destroy them. They are a diverse and powerful class, highly desirable in any group, capable of fulfilling multiple roles.
Available to: Humans, Dwarves, Night Elves, Undead, Trolls, Blood Elves, Draenei Type: Primary Healer
Standard Bars: Health/Mana
Available Armor: Cloth
Available Weapons: One-Handed Maces, Daggers, Staves, Wands
Comments: The most sought after class for any group
It has been the same since then. Although the flavor text changed to reflect somewhat more the range of Priestly abilities, and of course Draenei and Blood Elves were added to the allowed races, there's not that much difference between the two blobs of copy. This is deceptive, since the role of the Priest changed significantly from original WoW to BC.
Back in the day, priests were the premiere healers. We kept raids up, we were the healer of choice for a 5-man, and we died very quickly in the battlegrounds, unless we were Shadow. There were, of course, no arenas at the time. Then BC came along, and we slowly adjusted to the new realization that Shadow was viable in PvE, Holy was best in PvP, and we were no longer going to be the best healers in a raid. That honor, at least Alliance-side, went to paladins, who could out-heal us any night of the week. It took us a little while to get around to it, but at least I have finally accepted that priests as healers are now on much more of an even footing with the three other healing classes. Paladins own efficiency, Druids have an arsenal of HoTs, Shamans -- well, I'm not sure what exactly sets Shaman healing apart, but it must be something -- and Priests dominate the group heals. Between Prayer of Healing, Prayer of Mending, Lightwell, and Circle of Healing, we've got it covered.
Which brings me back to my question: where is this going in Wrath? Looking at the new abilities available, I'd say it's going both back to the old way and more in the direction of the new way. We have an ability we can slap on the tank to heal him when we heal the rest of the party, which reinforces our role as group healers while at the same time letting us help keep the tank up. We have a talent to get mana back on overheals, which should help us gain significantly in efficiency. We have a talent that boosts Binding Heal, CoH, PoH, and PoM -- all our multi-target heals besides Lightwell. But we also have a talent that enhances multiple heals to the same target. And the most unusual healing ability, in my view -- that is, Guardian Spirit -- is obviously a single-target group/raid ability. So we're diversifying, and getting stronger pretty much everywhere in the healing game.
Meanwhile, both Holy and Shadow are making strong gains in PvP. Persecution is essentially Blackout for Holy. Mind Sear gives Shadow some very interesting AoE utility. Improved Shadowform -- which really should be called Improve Fade -- should dramatically bump up survivability for Shadow. And again, what the heck is up with Divine Hymn?
I would at this point like to reiterate my warning that these are alpha talents -- very early stuff -- so most of the conclusions I've made are probably unfounded. Certainly you should not expect to see anything in the alpha survive unchanged to retail Wrath of the Lich King, and it wouldn't do to get too upset about any of this. That's what betas are for.
Filed under: Priest, Talents, Wrath of the Lich King






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Balgair May 22nd 2008 9:21AM
I'm intrigued by these talents, looks like some very interesting stuff, although it's going to be hard to pick a direction to take! Biggest disappointment is it appears Divine Spirit (and improved DS) are still in their old places, and as I love my spirit I've always hated having to choose between imp DS and the max point Holy talent.
One thing though: I read Serendipity as giving mana back when a target has mortal strike or similar on to reduce healing done, rather than on overheals. Looking over the wording, it could be either - I think the overheals one sounds more suited to the holy tree (I had been wondering a bit as all the other pvpish talents seem to be in disc), but the way it's worded still makes me think more of healing reduction effects than overheal. Although if it really is overheal I'll be delighted!
Ikarus May 22nd 2008 1:39PM
I read this the same way you did. We all know how much PvP considerations have been effecting recent buffs/nerfs. It might apply to over heals too, but my first thought was mortal strike
Andrew Welch May 23rd 2008 3:55AM
though in the end you could get free heals by super-healing lower levels.
cybershamus May 22nd 2008 9:26AM
I have a sneaky suspicion that Shadowform will be changed from a talent-based ability to a stance that any priest can switch to. Growing Pains & Kindling Soul would make more sense.
Hansbo May 22nd 2008 9:36AM
Oh my, I never though about Serendipity proccing on overheals, but now that you say it, it sounds plausible and I really like it!
Divine Hymn is bound to be nerfed. A 20 second unlimited mass CC? Sounds too good to be true. If it isn't nerfed, priests are bound to once again become the 5-man healers of choice. As soon as a pull gets bad (adds e.tc.), just pop DH and you have 20 seconds to kill adds in any order.
Growing Pains makes me a bit worried. If MF refreshes the duration of SW:P, wouldn't that actually LOWER the dps? What if SW:P gets refreshed right before a tick, then you would have to wait and additional 3 seconds before the tick arrives? I really hope (and believe, actually) that blizzard thinks about this and fixes it.
As a holy priest, however, only Holy Form could have made this better. I love these talents and abilities, and sincerely hope that they remain somewhat unchanged.
Eliah Hecht May 22nd 2008 9:38AM
Yeah, I assume Blizzard has the tick pushback thing covered. How I would do it is just update the expiration time on the debuff, as opposed to acting as if you'd recast the spell altogether.
OneMHz May 22nd 2008 11:07AM
I don't think it resets the timer, just the duration. There are a lot of talent changes that do that (corruption refreshed by shadowbolt). I have to hope they don't intend you to wait to cast until the cast would sync with the ticks.
Khanmora May 22nd 2008 2:56PM
I highly doubt that Serendipity will be for overheals. That's how spiritual attunement started with pallies too but they quickly changed that when our mana regen went haywire with it.
Meldas May 23rd 2008 4:19AM
Well, Divine Spirit seems to be still in the Discipline tree and Blizzard continues to distribute the healing talents in both trees (e.g. Rapture and Divine Aegis are spells are Holy priest would certainly like to have - but he will never get them).
The question still remains: What is the purpose of the Discipline tree (other than a sinkhole for healer talentpoints)?
Hunteritem May 23rd 2008 5:29AM
Um, PvP. Pretty apparent you don't do any of that, though.
Charlie May 30th 2008 2:44PM
Its strictly utility healing. There are a number of buffs in there that imo, will make deep disc preists worth taking.
Rapture (VT for gh,fh, and penance) is an amazing talent, and will be the reason people take deep disc preists into raids. That and imp spirit are the biggest plusses of taking non-coh priests. But those alone don't get you a spot. You also get however:
Pain Suppression
Power Infusion
.5sec Mass Dispells
Grace (-3% dmg, +3% heals. amazing for tanks)
Divine Aegis (30% heal form crit = shield)
You also get an extra healing spell (penance), and a boost to your healing in enlightenment.
That is an assload of utility. Disc priests will not top the healing charts by any means, but they will certainly be very valuable in raids. They will have a hard time finding a way into a 10 man raid. They definatley give you an option if you are to high on DPS to include more shadow priests, but need a healer. Yes, they are a niche, but they will be used, and that was what blizzard was trying to do.
Charlie May 30th 2008 2:44PM
erm... rapture will be the major reason, not the sole reason. kinda contradicted myself there. =D
Meldas May 31st 2008 5:57AM
Yes, on a second look it seems like Blizzard is trying to turn the discipline priest into something suitable for raids. Rapture, the new mana battery option, is a clear indication.
I always liked the capability of feral druids to switch from a tanking duty to a melee dps duty and it may be that discipline priests may be able to switch from a spot healing role to a single target dps role.
However, while I clearly can see that they may be able to do some decent healing I'm not totally convinced that they may be able to do some decent holy dps (especially the mana will run out sooner or later).
Zhalseran May 22nd 2008 9:37AM
Just a heads up. At the moment Symbol of Divinity has been moved to the Paladin section, though it seems people are unsure as to where it should actually go.
moink May 22nd 2008 9:37AM
Was this sarcastic?
"well, I'm not sure what exactly sets Shaman healing apart, but it must be something"
Chain heal anyone? And totems?
I often wish I were a resto shammy. And then I beg to be put in the shammy's group, for mana tide and whatever the one is that increases my healing. And I CoH, and she chain heals. and my raid survives.
Eliah Hecht May 22nd 2008 9:40AM
It wasn't sarcastic, I just don't have much experience playing as or with resto shamans. I know Chain Heal is awesome, but what is their niche as a healer? Priests are for groups, pallies for efficiency, druids for HoTs…what are shamans for? Totems?
Angus May 22nd 2008 9:52AM
You've got it wrong Eliah.
Paladins: Single target heals.
Druids: HoTs. Topping off multiple people.
Shaman: Group heals.
Priest: All of the above.
A priest can do plenty of healing and can pick the kind of healing needed for any situation.
We have a CoH priest in our group. His heals are amazing and they will only get better as we get past T5. Deep Holy does a great job, honestly.
Chuddy May 22nd 2008 9:41AM
I started a Drenai priest that is shadow talented awhile back. One of it's big things for me was it's utility in a low end raid group and 5 mans. Shielding the people who draw too much aggro, the passive healing, mana returns especially the synergy with pally's and of course the amazing racials. Without going into it too much you can make a bad group good. However I was a little put off to see that this 51 talent which screams pvp to me. It's ok, it will certainly appeal to some people it just doesn't do much for me. To be optimistic I guess it also looks like it could be an innervate of sorts? Currently we have to chug mana pots to sustain the dps so I guess it's good in some way? It would be pretty awesome if in wotlk we have fights like any of the hyjal fights or, on Najentus or supremus, where there is downtime. But you can always drink. I dunno, I'm kind of in the middle looking at this. and of course it's alpha so something will change. They better keep improved spirit tap though and the channeled spell better be another beam but DONT CROSS THE STREAMS!!!!!! :-)
Meldas May 22nd 2008 9:50AM
The 'Changes to existing spells & talents' section is also very interesting:
There is a big buff to 'Lightwell' (0,5 sec cast, 5 minutes cooldown, 10 charges), the low level shadow talents 'Spirit Tap' and 'Shadow Focus' are improved and the new 'Mental Strength' seems to be worthwhile now.
BUT a big nerf to 'Circle of Healing' (8 sec cooldown) and also a big nerf to 'Vampiric Touch'. Ouch.
Eliah Hecht May 22nd 2008 9:50AM
Expect to see some discussion of this in the near future :)